GIRLS talk (the Lena Dunham thread)

x-post - Yeah, me too. I can't lie and say I don't identify with her character a lot because she does remind me of myself at that age. I am also an only child and moved to a new city right after college where I promptly got a hefty does of holy shit life is expensive at 21. I also wanted to be a writer at that point but my parents had made it pretty clear that I was basically cut off right after school. I had two jobs "real" jobs at all times and worked my ass off for those first couple years but still had to occasionally borrow money from them. IIRC they had western unioned me $200 because I couldn't make rent and then called to ask if I was on drugs because they didn't understand where my money went. :/ If they'd come up here to visit and I told them I didn't want to hang out with them anymore that weekend for any reason I'm pretty sure it wouldn't have gone over well.

goddamn uh oh you got me to watch the raven trailer

maybe in twenty years I'll understand how you could sing "no more money" to your kid in the middle of a meal, but for now I'll say they deserved to be ignored for the rest of their vacay

i didnt find them as appalling as your description made them seem tbh

the parents were fine and totally in the right imo

what did i misrepresent

she said that at the height of her exasperation, she wasn't like gleefully singing it to her or anything

struck me as needling, cruel ymmv prob depending on assumptions about the undeveloped backstory and your annoyance with dunham's chatter before and after

struck me as more tough-lovey

nothing says tough love like "i deserve a lake house"

it's funny to me that people consider the "no more money" thing to be so stinging

if there'd been a single line suggesting there'd been some warning, they couldn't afford to help, etc, I'd probably been quicker to sympathize with the fact that they'd raised an intern with creative writing dreams

I get the feeling it was an ongoing argument/discussion before the episode began, but anyway it just seemed like a generic frustrated thing to say. it happens.

dunham says she'll explain the backstory if there's a second season

How long has it been that a half-Jewish, half-gentile cast is considered homogenous and "lily-white"? Maybe 20 years? It's a sign of cultural progress that it's so, in any case.

It seems like a lot of tv/movies with diversity issues are primarily focused on Jewish/Gentile contrasts: Woody Allen, Seinfeld, this show.

One interesting thing about the fuckbuddy (and he's a classic one--meant for an occasional roll in the rhay, but not boyfriend material) is that he's like Schwimmer's younger hornier brother. I think she honestly means it when she thanks him at the end of that session. One of the many great details in this episode is the tiny muscle-flinch in his jaw when she asks if they'll hang out again soon (or whatever the line is).

Thse kinds of details, and the subtlety of how conversational rhythms and body language carry the scenes as much as the basic action, leave me curious about what the episodes that Dnham doesn't direct will be like.

i thought the "i want a lake house" line to be a perfectly valid way of expressing the mom's frustration with her daughter's neediness and her desire to have her own life, i'm not sure why this bothered u so much but that's not the way i read it

(her rebuttal to one point was "would anyone say anything about a show with four black or Asian women?" I asked her which shows those were)

― Kiarostami bag (milo z), Friday, April 20, 2012 4:32 PM (22 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

ah the old "why is there no white entertainment network?" argument. fuck these people.

(but as an aside i have watched many many episodes of "living single" and it is an awesome show!! note to self: check if this is on watch instantly when home.)

i thought the "i want a lake house" line to be a perfectly valid way of expressing the mom's frustration with her daughter's neediness and her desire to have her own life, i'm not sure why this bothered u so much but that's not the way i read it

if lake house = a life of her own, no one wonder maybe her daughter is needy and spoiled?

if u say so, i dont think lake houses are inherently evil things

i do think they're a sign of privilege, ymmv

She means, in a practical way, that she could spend her TIAA-CREF pension on a nice retirement or give it to her daughter who expects to be on mom's payroll.

chill about the lake house

exactly. and i agree they are a sign of privilege but i didnt think thats what we were talking about?

sign of privilege, yes
but two years out of school for $20k or w/e, any parent is within his or her rights to bitch IMO

we're all dealing with the same material, just varying degrees of sympathy based on our assumptions on the backstory. We don't know their income, how much they're giving her in relation to it, how many arguments they've had, etc.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GNjx5fb-Tk0

Seems like the line gets to the point that the parents thought they would pay her college tuition and then start saving for themselves and their own dreams. If that's a lake house, so be it.

well considering her "counter-offer" is $1100/month you can imagine they're spending a fair amount of cash

i do think parents in general have an obligation to teach their kids how to live on their own. nb i have no idea if these parents did that, or are just getting around to doing that now, but she is (at least in part) who she was raised to be. at the same time, you can't blame your parents forever for not giving you a perfect upbringing

ugh sorry about that post lets try that again, just watch this over and over

http://youtu.be/GNjx5fb-Tk0?t=2m4s

fuck!!!!

Seems like the line gets to the point that the parents thought they would pay her college tuition and then start saving for themselves and their own dreams. If that's a lake house, so be it.

― caro's johnson (Eazy), Friday, April 20, 2012 5:17 PM (35 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

^^^ this. it didn't seem like a particularly selfish line to me

ugh hey i just think, without more info, that the mom sounds spiteful/resentful above and beyond her daughter's crimes. That's all.

but srsly, how is wanting a lake house (that you pay for yourself), more privileged and spiteful than wanting a free ride for 2 years+?

let moms have lake houses!

I'm personally looking forward to the day when I can tell my son "No more money!" but he's only 9, so I have a few more years to go.

let daughters have two weeks warning!

also being played in a comedy, so of course it's going to be ramped up and in public rather than a short private conversation outlining the end of support

the emily nussbaum review said judd apatow gave "higher stakes" notes a lot so yeah wacky sitcom hijinks ahoy

surely the implication is that hannah is just like her mom? also the m.o. of the show is to not show anyone in a good light, so there's that.

ps college professors have hella entitlement and go their whole careers in stunned disbelief that they don't make as much money as they should

plus are super liberal and elitist

"higher stakes" = have the dude try unwanted anal sex

true! xp

Omg u guys.

How long has it been that a half-Jewish, half-gentile cast is considered homogenous and "lily-white"? Maybe 20 years? It's a sign of cultural progress that it's so, in any case.

Just like Vampire Weekend with its Jewish and Persian members.

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Still need to read that

still wanna see this show.

that was the 1000th post. you guys are making it sound really zeitgeisty and something i MUST see. even the haters. you all love the new voice of generation twitter. she is your president and you want to marry her!