GIRLS talk (the Lena Dunham thread)

though the quote from the other producer is probably better all around

Ross, Universal's family entertainment topper since 2005, and Barbie franchise owner Mattel have collaborated on nine made-for-DVD titles, selling more than 37 million copies worldwide to date, because of their shared conviction that the doll requires the highest production values.

"When talking to Mattel before the first movie, we knew that we should make Barbie a movie star," Ross says. "It had to be the same way that you would feel when seeing a Meryl Streep movie."

apparently it's more like a Judy Garland movie

Making guys realize that they really do sound like that is pretty amazing, imo. I like to think I'm not too much of a douchebag, but really, the male/female dynamic has this traditional "dudes will go as far as a lady lets them" grossness to it where, even with some level of equality, the idea of men pushing things is still present.

idk, I've been in situations where I've been a bit overzealous, got kind of the "hey now, chill a bit" signal and backed off and apologized to the extent where the girl laughed and told me I was cute because I was actually taken aback and taken her seriously. Like, my apprehension of even being perceived as slightly rapey was endearing because guys are so rapey.

sorry that was a ref to men being uncomfortable with the portrayal of sex in that ep of 'Girls'

think the dress going over her head thing has to do w/ the shittiness of their physics model (so yeah, barbie's animalistic desires)

I use it because it's so common now but I really hate the term "rapey".

I know, can we come up with something better? I feel scuzzy for having typed it a few times.

My reasons for hating it are complicated (as is the topic in general obv) and this isn't the thread to get into it but I sort of cringe every single time I use and/or see it.

:(

yeah I could live the rest of my life without typing or hearing those four letters and it'd be a better life

it would b v odd lif , I c n t ll you th t.

oh there's no need for a :( it's sorta more that I think it's used sometimes to describe things that aren't actually "rapey" at all. Nevermind. This probably isn't rational. I just don't like it for some reason.

I've heard 'creeper' used in a similar vein - instead of being rapey, one is being a creeper etc.

wouldn't "sexually aggressive" work?

In a lot of cases it def would.

I think it's totally rational to not like when people use "-y" or "quasi-" to basically accuse people of something without actually accusing them of it.

behaviors such that those that are commonly exhibited by

idk, I've heard creeper more applied to people who would get rejected long before any awkward intimate moments

this is getting ridic

but as it was said, "sexually aggressive" -- it works in a lot of cases!

pretty sure you guys can hit 30,000 posts if you all see the second episode.

help us, obi-wan, you're our only hope

See also the extremely thoughtful and popular pushing down the girl's head move. These are things that some dude's do and a lot of women, especially younger women who want desperately to be liked or may be scared or any number of other things, will experience these and go along with them and not realize they're as wrong as they are because that's sort of what we're conditioned to do.

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this is one of those times when having my display name gets really really awkward.

why you gotta do these things?

just wanted to share this unbelievably stupid and terribly written blog post here

http://www.vice.com/read/girls-lets-everyone-just-calm-down

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Side note, I literally thought that Girls was about dykearoos until I watched it.

lol

Ugh. Vice bloggers are the most disgusting savages. Talked about the diversity thing with my roommate last night - I don't think the outrage is just that it's a lily-white main cast (so are lots of shows!) but that it's compounded with the air of privilege, the 'Dunham is writing her own life' elements and the incredibly bad decision to have the only two non-white characters be stereotypes. Maybe the second most of all.
(her rebuttal to one point was "would anyone say anything about a show with four black or Asian women?" I asked her which shows those were)

was that pop-up for the Raven designed to make you regret going to the site

x-post - The privilege is the worst tbh. I was LOLing at the first scene imagining what my parents would have done had they come for a visit and I told them I didn't want to see them anymore that weekend. Yeah, right. I was prepared to hate it/her at that point but she grew on me.

have you guys watched the raven trailer, the raven actually says "caw" at the end

it goes caw

I feel like my parents were really generous in supporting me over the years and especially in college, but when I got out of school it was pretty much my dad doing this little "so, any luck on the job front?" dance every night since I crashed at their place while working my nearly-full-time hourly job that I was lucky enough to have.

I actually watched this now and I once visited south africa and walked away thinking that all the british and dutch should be wiped off the face of the fuckin earth

I kind of get the same feeling after watching this show

caw

pretty sure it says nevermore, i read it and everything

x-post - Yeah, me too. I can't lie and say I don't identify with her character a lot because she does remind me of myself at that age. I am also an only child and moved to a new city right after college where I promptly got a hefty does of holy shit life is expensive at 21. I also wanted to be a writer at that point but my parents had made it pretty clear that I was basically cut off right after school. I had two jobs "real" jobs at all times and worked my ass off for those first couple years but still had to occasionally borrow money from them. IIRC they had western unioned me $200 because I couldn't make rent and then called to ask if I was on drugs because they didn't understand where my money went. :/ If they'd come up here to visit and I told them I didn't want to hang out with them anymore that weekend for any reason I'm pretty sure it wouldn't have gone over well.

goddamn uh oh you got me to watch the raven trailer

maybe in twenty years I'll understand how you could sing "no more money" to your kid in the middle of a meal, but for now I'll say they deserved to be ignored for the rest of their vacay

i didnt find them as appalling as your description made them seem tbh

the parents were fine and totally in the right imo

what did i misrepresent

she said that at the height of her exasperation, she wasn't like gleefully singing it to her or anything

struck me as needling, cruel ymmv prob depending on assumptions about the undeveloped backstory and your annoyance with dunham's chatter before and after

struck me as more tough-lovey

nothing says tough love like "i deserve a lake house"

it's funny to me that people consider the "no more money" thing to be so stinging

if there'd been a single line suggesting there'd been some warning, they couldn't afford to help, etc, I'd probably been quicker to sympathize with the fact that they'd raised an intern with creative writing dreams

I get the feeling it was an ongoing argument/discussion before the episode began, but anyway it just seemed like a generic frustrated thing to say. it happens.

dunham says she'll explain the backstory if there's a second season

How long has it been that a half-Jewish, half-gentile cast is considered homogenous and "lily-white"? Maybe 20 years? It's a sign of cultural progress that it's so, in any case.

It seems like a lot of tv/movies with diversity issues are primarily focused on Jewish/Gentile contrasts: Woody Allen, Seinfeld, this show.

One interesting thing about the fuckbuddy (and he's a classic one--meant for an occasional roll in the rhay, but not boyfriend material) is that he's like Schwimmer's younger hornier brother. I think she honestly means it when she thanks him at the end of that session. One of the many great details in this episode is the tiny muscle-flinch in his jaw when she asks if they'll hang out again soon (or whatever the line is).

Thse kinds of details, and the subtlety of how conversational rhythms and body language carry the scenes as much as the basic action, leave me curious about what the episodes that Dnham doesn't direct will be like.