GIRLS talk (the Lena Dunham thread)

to clarify for laurel, we see two 'relationships' in the pilot, lena dunham + asshole non-boyfriend who has rapey casual sex and brian williams daughter + michael cera committed boyfriend who is too nice and clingy and makes williams jr cringe so she wont have sex with him

yeah that seems right; certainly a better frame for the scene than flanaganism

xxp about Lamp

also two other leads - virgin mamet character who identifies hard with satc, english cousin of mamet (i think?) who is pregnant and gives protagonist kinda shitty advice

and i mean continuing on i feel like in a lot of cultural products where the protagonist is neurotic or insecure or 'unattractive' its a male character who is suffering through this humiliation to get sex from a woman where sex is approval, closeness &c. and it was true and painfully but also funny to see a scene where a woman is using sex itself is the awkward and humiliating thing you need to do to get that approval, closeness. or not get it, which again feels p true to life.

yeah that's exactly the thing i appreciate about lena dunham's presence on the cultural scene, tbh. i feel like movie mythology about gender and desire is such that women (conventionally beautiful and graceful) are aloof objects for self-doubting men who pursue them for sex. women do get humiliated in those narratives but it's to different ends and a woman like dunham's character can't even exist in that world.

"lena", based on the pilot and the entire plot of tiny furniture, is a character who is done unto
she doesn't do much on her own and has figured out how to live in a space where things happen with minimal effort and without much aspiration
(dunno if anyone noticed but when she takes the housekeeping money, she seems to pointedly NOT take her copy of her memoirs when she leaves)
i don't get much of a sense that she has any clearly formed desires yet and that's intended i think as a commentary on the ennui and aimlessness of pampered early 20something millenialkinder
so her lack of sophistication/enjoyment from sex seems at least partially connected with that motif though it's a pretty incendiary way to make that point
thought maybe that IS the point? kinda?

i...don't know about that

I go to lunch and thread explodes. Laurel/Lamp otm x1000.

i dont think not taking her memoirs means anything, its a printout

its symbolism for the death of print media

also she's the one who initiates the hangout with the dude, she's the one who tries to turn her internship into a real job, i think she has plenty of agency and aspiration

also she actually wrote the memoir, regardless of whether she picks up the printout...

don't know if I hate america or girls more

also not sure the takeaway from the sex scene was that she needed to be more sophisticated.

show should have been called 'america' tbh

girls (w/ no names)

http://www.arismixtapes.com/catalog/images/WhiteAmericaOne.jpg

i dont think not taking her memoirs means anything, its a printout
― A Little Princess btw (s1ocki)

how to make it in girls

i didn't mean lack of sophistication of sex; meant lack of sophistication / enjoyment of sex
bad punctuation on my part

in the next episode an immigrant hotel maid steals the manuscript and becomes a best-selling author

(spoilers)

(jamaican accent)

i know i often write chapters of pages for a project i don't really care about at all.

^^ read that post in a jamaican accent

i like this show a lot

Everything Lamp is saying seems right. I think?

yep

lol i actually read her leaving the manuscript there as a maybe unconscious "maybe someone will discover this and realize my genius!" moment.

i know i often write chapters of pages for a project i don't really care about at all.
― horseshoe, Friday, April 20

why would she take a particular printout of a computer file with her when someone else can throw it away later? do you people not use computers/

you guys just leave paper wherever you go huh

apparently this show is the new Lost

I don't really think her leaving it was that significant.

I know. This is a hell of a lot of reading into one 30 min pilot.

(1225 of them)

people do this to every show now tbh

some of yall really pull out the magnifying glass on this show huh

good episode

― man down (D-40), Friday, April 20, 2012 4:05 AM (10 hours ago) Bookmark

from the Mad Men thread

dunham says she'll explain leaving the paper behind if there's a second season

did you guys know that caitlin flanagans husband is the president of the barbie division of mattel

― max, Friday, April 20, 2012 12:11 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

no i did not!

"We are great believers in the power of little girls," says Rob Hudnut, Mattel executive producer. "We believe they deserve the best entertainment that we can give them. [...]
Illustrating the painstaking nature of the production, Hudnut recalls, "It was the job for six months of one 'Barbie Nutcracker' animator to keep Barbie's dress from going over her head. The company has made a serious financial investment in ensuring these movies are the quality that girls deserve."

xp How could you possibly have overlooked the millionth article about such a horrible person, in which that information was contained?

sorry, not the barbie division, i had to double check -- hes the president of the animated barbie movies

whaaaaat does the word "keep" mean in that sentence?? what the fuck

The power. Of little girls. Because they are so powerful and not at all one of the most at-risk and least enabled categories of humanity. Secretly they've had the power all this time.

I hate people.

President, Animated Barbie Movies = A+ title

Lead Animator, Keeping Barbie's Dress From Going Over Her Head = harder to put on your resume

surely this is intern work

what is the implication there: if you don't keep a tight rein on your animating team, they're going to go softcore on barbie and you won't even know until it's on the shelf? what is this fucko even saying.

I think he's unintentionally admitting that barbie seriously needs to go to rehab, but like so many actresses before her, she's being propped up by "handlers" so they can continue to profit off her fame

i took it more as the job of the animator to keep barbie's natural animalistic desires in check
xpost, yeah