Hard to categorize rock/jazz/'experimental' but not really fusion crossover records by jazz dudes

there is nothing hard to categorize about this, but just in case someone hasn't heard it. such a cool track.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IhLSJ7z90Nw

i love this don sebesky album. very groovy. don't know if its on cd.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jzSzbGsD0pE

am i the only chris hinze fan out there? guess its just fusion. i dig his records. they aren't straight fusion records.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=93KFC1ymAjg

didn't you write on ILX that your only memory of the 60s was being scared by Maynard? At a family outing, maybe (somebody responded that Maynard was the Yngwie Malmsteen of jazz, sounds right). Lotta stuff on here I need to check. That xpost live Free Spirts set is pretty funny, in a good way. Those guys were so young, just naturally (with a little help from ingested friends) opening their radioheadsz to all the 60s had to offer, and fltering it though extensive self-education in progress. Steve Marcus, a teenager at the time, provdies liner notes, setting the scene at The Scene, one of the earliest groovy rock-the-whatever-clubs. They had a regular gig, and would get trippin' for Happy Hour, chasing a Motown bass line around the room like dreaming beagles. It's recorded on a mic as high as the musos, flimsy and dialing waaay back through the twilight, dig it when you wanna. Also some I guess you'd say acid folk ballads (not sung by Coryell, fortunately). Oh yeah, he and Moses and Steve Swallow were also in Gary Burton Quartet, making more focused, less speedy, but still kinds shrmoomy and barefoot jazz-meets-rock-and-sometimes-country-and-sometimes-folk in the 60s. And Burton's Tennessee Firebird is worth checking out, seems like (I've only found about half the tracks) Coryell's Barefoot Boy, The Real Great Escape, and stuff w his band Eleventh House is erratic but rowdy and fun, often enough (for thrift store prices) He's the sometimes uncredited guitarist on Steve Marcus's The Lord's Prayer and others, course he did get his name on Count's Rock Band, and I think they even did a reunion album, but don't know if that's supposed to be good.

Yeah, and Herbie Mann's early 60s "Comin' Home Baby" didn't even need no guests, but otherwise I dig him w Coryell and Sharrock and downhome studio aces on Memphis Underground, w Duane Allman on Push Push, haven't heard him w Mick Taylor.

"shrmoomy"? Billy Mumy on shrooms? Maybe--it's a goood life to be Lost In Space, Will Robinson!

I wonder what the commercial success of most of these records was like. There sure as hell were a lot of them being made. Like did Lionel Hampton really do significantly better by releasing generic-ish space funk? Was the audience for trad that dead? Somehow I doubt it's what he really wanted to be doing, although maybe he didn't want to be doing trad either.

well, you know, it was just modern music. people probably wanted to be modern. or at least try to be. and make money. a lot of trad jazz people made stuff like this but were still reliably normal live for their old trad fans.

love that doc severinson/king crimson arrangement. feels like it should be repurposed for the next tarantino movie.

There was a book, What Was The First Rock (or maybe Rock & Roll) Record? Reviewer said authors picked mid-40s Lionel Hampton rec, forget title.

Wow thanks for all these fantastic recommendations scott

... and everybody else as well, great stuff

Scott that Blaine record is amazing. Srsly you are a true resource on this board.

^^^ concurrence. Never would have known there was a "Stan Getz + sci-fi SFX" LP. Thanks to llurk's links, too. I listened to every one of these, great afternoon.

Yeah, I wanna get Captain Marvel: Getz w Tony Williams, Chick Corea, Lenny White--I've seen a review which mentions a track in which "Stan blows his mind with echo and delay", although he doesn't do that all the way through, and I know Allmusic's Jurek mentions the "tension" of sensibilities adding much charge to the album.

http://static.bajamusica.com/images/SONY_BMG/90/DE/D76D84C84E4AA4275189807B1DB2/00000000000000138142-900x900_300dpi_RGB.jpg

More on the rock side of things but Joyride's Friendsound record is pretty cool. Paul Revere & the Raiders members and session guys. The record has a stretched out southern california vibe. Lots of flute and really great samples and tape/sound effects. Really love this record. I would def pair it with the Howards recs.
And I'd like to also add that the Seward has turned my ears onto a treasure of new tunes.

The live version is way better (can't find it on youtube), but this is one of my favorite Burton/Coryell songs that probably lives up to this thread's title...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ejfL6loMq4

The guitar solo on the live version is up there w/Lou Reed on the first VU album. I'm surprised it doesn't get mentioned more...

Not sure if Ray Russell and Sharrock would fit in here or if they're too well-known

needless to say, gil evans is my not easily categorizable hero. won't clutter up this thread with gil youtubes. but he covered just about every base from a jazz foundation in the 60's and 70's and 80's. and every record he made is worth owning.

i mean you can say the same about miles. the two people go hand in hand. and gil had a hand on many miles albums even when his name wasn't listed.

i HAVE to post this here though. so amazing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EjcTcya_GJQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-WKTS_YnnbU

I will be the Gil Clutterer

not sure if stuff like this is what you're after, but cheesy jazz/psych records with unusual instrumentation were pretty common back in the day

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IAmEYGqgaLE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xYfNiLSORPU

i dig this album a bunch. it's definitely fusion, but its got a lot going on. free jazz, psych, prog, etc. vinyl copies don't sell for a ton. vinyl sounds great too. much better than this youtube rip, but what the hell, someone was kind enough to put up the whole album.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CbiymTWegd4

lots of stuff in this thread could also fit along the kozmigroov lines, no?

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-DIqJzpZ4DA8/Tb6rgZYZVXI/AAAAAAAAB5k/XUHgdw4PHF8/s1600/Eddie%2BHarris%2BInstant%2BDeath.jpg

Having a hard time finding clips but I will rep for

Nils Petter Molvær - Khmer
Spring Heel Jack & The Blue Series Continuum - Masses

which are two recent records that are fusionish and that I think are great

SELFDESTRUCT IN TEN MINUTES

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dt_pjaL07ho

This definitely fits the bill of the thread

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ls1ddrT7HPc

i'm kinda playing fast and loose with the original thread idea! mentioning stuff i really like. i mean there is eddie harris stuff from the 70's that will make you say WAHT THE??? HELL did he just do? in the best way.

i'm trying to remember which john surman album i got that was so not free jazz or whatever. more like krautrock. awesome record. his pal terje made records like that. and then yeah you get into ECM territory. but there is great territory to explore in ECM world!

oh and speaking of Terje, that Esoteric Circle album is a fave of mine. early fusion. of the nordic persuasion.

i was just gonna post that john surman stu martin thing! weird. mostly for that awesome death metal intro. on a synth or oscillator or whatever it is. that record sells for peanuts and its so good. a lot of john surman records do. and barre philips records. etc. jukka records. i love jukka.

This was one of the very first group young guys making jazz with some kind of alleged rock connection I heard about, maybe even before Burton. Not quite the cover I remember seeing, but the closest I'm finding. Jeremy's Dad was William Steig, who maybe did this cover. Anybody heard it? Jeremy played electric flute, I think, like the guy in Blues Project, which I was def into (Danny Kalb was kind of a speedy ancestor of Verlaine and Lloyd, in the Bloomfield Newport/Highway 61 vein, but more often than Bloomfield) Anyway, here's Jeremy

http://userserve-ak.last.fm/serve/_/57125977/Jeremy+and+the+Satyrs+Jeremy++the+Satyrs+front.jpg

i like his records. i don't love him though. i'm definitely a william steig fan though.

Sure looks like William did it, now that I can see more detail.

this is my favorite jeremy cover actually

http://www.soulstrut.com/images/uploads/reviews/6a00e553df6489883401156ff85d46970b-800wi.jpg

he had a lot of good covers

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/7/7f/Firefly_(Jeremy_Steig_album).jpg

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_mGP-7NjQHO8/TTZ9QSU5rtI/AAAAAAAAJro/zbo0TMk3mQY/s1600/lend_your_ears_front2.jpg

http://www.dustygroove.com/images/products/s/steig_jerem_templeofb_101b.jpg

Wow! Never saw most of those. Should also mention Hal Willner's gathering of various tribes in the 80s, esp for various wild takes on Weill,via Lost In The Stars (and later September Songs. Stay Awake was more uneven, but Sun Ra and Tom Waits had no prob with those Disney songs. Willner also produced the TV series Night Music; no doubt some of it's been on YouTube. Miles, Maria McKee, gee, you never knew who'd show up for the party. Al Green looked totally disgusted by Sun Ra's Arkestra, and just went BANG! BANG! BANG! on his cowbell (Syd Straw laughing wildly, her glasses rolling around). But when I played the audiotape back, he fit perfectly--sorry bout that Al! Mind you, having Charlie Haden behind Nick Cave's portentous ass on "The Mercy Seat" was so wrong--although Charlie looked amused, fortunately. But Sonny Rollins with Leonard Cohen fuckin' ruled Also pertaining to this thread:

http://991.com/newgallery/Sonny-Rollins-Nucleus-529197.jpg

Yeah, here's Sonny on Night Music w L.Cohen: "Who By Fire"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j2T274bXIxU

> Hard to categorize ...

Orchester Gustav Brom - präludium
from 'Missa Jazz' on MPS

> Bill Plummer & Cosmic Brotherhood

love the cover: barefooted man in suit

Is Ayler just too obvious for y'all?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJAq_1OyO7o

Never got round to New Grass but from that track its still too much in that obvious 'free' manner.

On further reflection tho' I love the thread concept - never spent too long w/fusion but like how this is stated in a way that allows for fusion-y and free-ish stuff to co-exist...so need to investigate some of the tracks a bit more.

xyzzz, did you make it past the first 30 seconds?

yeah, the sung part and then funk-type backing aren't given much space by Ayler

yeah, like that Moon Man record i mentioned by Charles Lloyd is perfect for this thread. respected young post-bop jazz sax player makes completely bonkers...uh...rock? record.

but then i kinda cheated by posting something like that Friends album which is John Abercrombie and other young weirdos. It is a mix of things, but its not like the people who made it were well-known for doing other things first. they were young.

i like anomalies in people's catalogs.

speaking of early hybrids, john abercrombie was a part of stark reality. 1969. rock/funk/jazz/everything music.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A6oxjz7KPz8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pnWxqyfdakY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o86Ffwcc6Zk

All of this really goes to further illustrate how deep the jazz well goes. You can get to know some rock or some punk but there is just a planet load of crazy jazz that was cut in the age of the LP.

Part of it is alot of this stuff never came back in the CD age, so large swaths of it are probably not easy to find.

Someone unscrupulous or someone beneficent should put together some box sets of this kind of thing.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-6_VGK9Ia7g8/TWSBvfpjnJI/AAAAAAAAAQc/sXrT-0bI2bM/s1600/db7693cd61c4e0e079b0fb454306e99c_full.jpg

pretty ill and threatening.

Loving the track titles on that one, must find

i'd never heard that dizzy album until today. man, gotta be one of the funkiest records on Pablo. sounds so great on the hi-fi. i love lalo to pieces. what a genius.

and i've never heard that freddie hubbard thing!

Dear god

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dR4nMlOQ5xY

looks like Skot is the only one who ever posted about this but yeah

http://i637.photobucket.com/albums/uu92/damien_stone/icarus.jpg

have become kinda obsessed with this one lately, proto-new age/world/jazz/rock produced by George Martin, sitar (played by their conga guy?!) on 'Ode to a Fillmore Dressing Room' slays me.

Yeah, that was kind of at the crossroads of what some called The New Acoustic Music (Grisman called his approach dawg music)and new age--like world music, not quite an established musical/marketing category yet. Oregon's Music Of Another Present Era was another late-night FM fave, along with Icarus--also Codona's stuff, but I think one of their key members got killed on the road. Oregon has gotten back together occasionally.

David Murray has recorded at least one album of Grateful Dead songs (wanna say there's two, but can only find Dark Star at the moment). he also recorded with them live, and you can stream it from dead.net, though I don't feel like negotiating with my firewall at the moment--not that I don't trust Grateful Dead Radio, but what if something else is waiting--anyway, I'm told that the Dead weren't quite up to Murray at this point ('93), but here's one with his own Octet:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BoXiWIaJmbs

And another

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T4-hKESDh6I

Ornette Coleman played w the Dead too; not seeing that, but here's Garcia w Coleman & Prime Time:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BwQvcMQsOfU&feature=related

^ sounds like a timbaland beat

Not sure what to really categorize this stuff as, but Danny Gatton (guitar) and Buddy Emmons (pedal steel) did some pretty cool stuff as the Redneck Jazz Explosion:

Good footage (kinda crazy watching Gatton's hands)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mGGE4CrPvjU

Softspot for this one too, though almost loungey at times:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jKq7bb7Q-yk&feature=results_video&playnext=1&list=PLCFB5766FE3473F36

speaking of paul winter, this belongs here too

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_SzddysnYlQk/SOjF_aPY2JI/AAAAAAAAA-E/BEbr55VjHfk/s400/Oregon_%26_Elvin_Jones_-_Together_Front.JPG

oh yeah, I forgot they did that w Elvin, talk about an extended range! Brave Oregon pioneers. Before I forget, Robert Randolph has been known to chase Trane on pedal steel, and he's once again on an Experience Hendrix tour. Turtle Island String Quartet has also covered Hendrix well, ditto Coltrane, a whole album of his songs, and ones he covered/ They've got that barefoot sound. And also before I forget, always liked this--Pavement transmuted, inspiration no longer seemingly offhanded, still cool
http://www.thedwarf.com.au/var/plain/storage/images/albumreviews/gold_sounds_james_carter_cyrus_chestnut_ali_jackson_and_reg_veal/773727-4-eng-GB/gold_sounds_james_carter_cyrus_chestnut_ali_jackson_and_reg_veal_album.jpg