Miller vs. Millar vs. Ennis

The Millar/GMoz Flash stuff is really pretty good, at the end of the day.

Aye, and that's the stuff I was talking about - it's allegedly 3 Millar / 3 Morrison / 3 Millar / 3 Morrison. Though they'd doubtless both claim a larger percentage was theirs, now.

with miller out of the running and accepting earlnash's sub of ellis, it's ellis in a walk. he wrote planetary, and that's enough for me. liked millar's authority more than ellis', but not enough to tip the scales. never been an ennis fan, the tone of his stuff just bugs me.

Planetary sucks an analogue of my balls.

AF re Flash - nah:

#129-#131 is co-written
#133 is probably 99.6% Morrison
#134 is co-plotted but written by Millar
#135 who gives a shit, this is the awful crossover with Architect Green Lantern and Young Green Arrow (OK it's co-plotted and then probably written by Morrison bcz he was using them all in JLA)
#136-138 is co-written but mainly Millar (this is assumption, based both on Morrison being gone before the end of the run, and on it being Sonic Vs The Flash, and Millar having written the Sonic comic for yonks, so)
#139-141 is solely credited to Millar.

The taking turns thing (on credited co-writes) was basically a 2-man American sitcom "writer's room" - they'd break stories together, work out plot beats per issue, then trade off issue-by-issue on writing a script, and bring it back for a two-man polish. Though usually Grant would parachute out once the plane was off the runway (cf Swamp Thing, Vampirella, this).

(Their falling out is generally largely traced to Morrison ghosting an entire issue of Millar's Authority run solo and a) Millar putting his own name on it, instead of a joke credit, and b) not telling anyone to pay Morrison instead of paying him.)

I would be amazed if The Human Race (136-138) was written by anyone other than Morrison - it has the childhood friend that turns out to be real _and_ the "now the humans save the heroes" ending that he re-used for JLA.

Haha that is a completely plausible way for them to fall out :)

Red Son doesn't hold up that well on second reading, great concept though. And I still love Comrade Batski.

this is a good voting result

Morrison was definitely still plotting and some scripting on The Human Race! I'm just betting Millar did more than 50%.

ha ha I looked it up and Morrison had suggested the Authority issue be credited to "The Mock Millar Experience"

http://www.clickhole.com/theysaidwhat/find-out-what-paul-mccartney-frank-miller-and-mich-1054

kinda shocked by how frank miller looks these days. (i guess i haven't seen a picture since robocop3)

It's sort've addressed in this Sean Howe interview piece:

http://www.wired.com/2014/08/frank-miller-sin-city-a-dame-to-kill-for/

he's looked really really bad for at least a decade

Never saw this thread before. I'd go with Miller obv for an extended, albeit long-past, period of greatness. I hate the other two guys completely.

Wow, that Wired portrait of Miller is brutal:

http://www.wired.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/ff_frankmiller2_f.jpg

He looks like Richard Harris' corpse.

a cake after a night of rain

jesus christ, and i thought he looked broken down 10 years ago

that person is 57 years old, unbelievably

He's reached 'Peak Opinion'.

wired:
> Sin City: A Dame to Kill For, the sequel to the 2005 blockbuster that represents his last artistic and commercial success

300 was 2006, was that not successful?

i would say less so critically/artistically

> Zack Snyder's meticulous adaptation of 300 earned $456 million

sounds ok to me. i guess fm was less involved in the film but i'd still count that as his work and a success.

i didn't know about the spirit or the batman book that was immediately after it.

did just re-read DKR though and it felt like meeting an old friend.

he genuinely looks weeks from death

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd65/Buzzetta_photos/frank-miller-comic-con-sin-city-2.jpg

http://techchucker.files.wordpress.com/2013/06/2013-06-05-11-03-20.jpg

I'm planning to reread his (and nocenti's!) run on DD pretty soon. Psyched tbh. But idk if I'll ever revisit DKR.

Yeah, I was never particularly enthused with TDKR. Don't really get the hype (or at least the proportion of the hype). Year One is pretty great, though. And I do dig what I've read of his DD run (which I guess I'll also be reading in its entirety soon enough).

Meanwhile, the Syfy network has announced a series based on Ronin,

omg please no

sadly, probably won't be as good as Samurai Jack

But it'll be at least as good as Lavalantula, I'd think.

Not much is as good as samurai jack tbh.

true

Is it too nosy to ask whether something's wrong with Miller? Like, does he have a chronic disease or something? I know he's always been thin, but those recent Comic Con pics look do indeed look worrisome.

see Ward's post.

Yeah, I read that article, but it only has a short allusion to some vague rumours to explain his health. I guess it could be drugs, but it's kinda hard to imagine someone with a worldview like Miller's doing drugs... Though who knows?

I'm assuming there's the usual loophole where alcohol's not a drug?

I guess you shouldn't generalize, but in my experience alcoholics tend to look bloated, not gaunt.

yeah, that's not really true overall

There was this from a couple years back
http://nypost.com/2012/10/10/ex-staffer-sues-dark-knight-comic-creator-girlfriend-for-hostile-work-environment/

Jesus, just one of things would be enough to cause me to quit, amongst other things

They probably had a poster of a cat hanging in there to counterbalance.

Jesus, Miller looks 87, not 57. I don't much care for the man and his work now, but that is a shocking decline in the six years since this picture was taken.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/99/FrankMillerSanDiego_crop.jpg

the implication of drug use explains a lot

I'm repulsed by a lot of his politics but I feel really bad for the guy