HUSKER DU V. Replacements

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Also, I should mention I've seen Grant play some of the most captivating live shows I have ever seen, he can be spot on perfect and he can be confrontational/abrasive, it is best when he's a bit of both

chr1sb3singer, Thursday, 19 April 2012 15:59 (five years ago) Permalink

Were you at that show where he kept playing the end to ”barbara” for an uncomfortable amount of time at the turf club?

Basically theres always some sense that anything could happen at a grant show

Mississippi Butt Hurt (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 19 April 2012 16:05 (five years ago) Permalink

Good Day, the Westerberg solo song, is about Bob.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2B4CN7TM1iQ

Viva Brother Beyond (ithappens), Thursday, 19 April 2012 16:10 (five years ago) Permalink

no no no runaway wind is about bob

you don't blooooooow like the breeeeeze you were born to be...bob

two overweight dachshunds with three eyes (La Lechera), Thursday, 19 April 2012 16:17 (five years ago) Permalink

I try to comprehend you, but I've got a dyslexic heart, Bob.

i love the large auns pictures! (Phil D.), Thursday, 19 April 2012 16:26 (five years ago) Permalink

I hate your answering machine, Bob.

Exile in lolville (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 19 April 2012 16:29 (five years ago) Permalink

You ain't nothin' but a waitress in the sky, Bob.

i love the large auns pictures! (Phil D.), Thursday, 19 April 2012 16:31 (five years ago) Permalink

It works for the other band, too.

I don't want to know if you are less than lonely, Bob.

i love the large auns pictures! (Phil D.), Thursday, 19 April 2012 16:32 (five years ago) Permalink

it ain't nuthin new, just something to du

I accidentally sonned your dome (stevie), Thursday, 19 April 2012 16:41 (five years ago) Permalink

Turn on the news, Bob.

two overweight dachshunds with three eyes (La Lechera), Thursday, 19 April 2012 16:52 (five years ago) Permalink

^^ quiet domestic scene

two overweight dachshunds with three eyes (La Lechera), Thursday, 19 April 2012 16:53 (five years ago) Permalink

It's you, girl, and you should know it, with each glance and every little movement, Bob.

i love the large auns pictures! (Phil D.), Thursday, 19 April 2012 16:59 (five years ago) Permalink

when i interviewed sst's joe carducci for my black flag book, he argued vociferously that du's albums didn't need remastering, and that they weren't badly produced: what you hear is what they sounded like, and what they wanted to sound like, that sheet of white noise guitar sound, grant's weird, jazzy drums, the pin-prick bass sound. i sort of feel you have to embrace what they are...

― I accidentally sonned your dome (stevie), Thursday, April 19, 2012 2:14 AM (7 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I have argued exactly this in regard to New Day Rising somewhere around here, against complaints that it sounds terrible. It doesn't sound terrible. It's a genuinely great record, and so is Zen Arcade, but Husker Du never really got the production they deserved. IMO, everything they did could be productively remastered, perhaps even remixed to advantage. "The band" might have wanted Grant's bass to disappear in the mix, but I seriously doubt that Grant did. And the wall of screaming cymbal/guitar hiss, however bracing it might be, could definitely use a bit more differentiation.

yuppie bullshit chocolate blogbait (contenderizer), Thursday, 19 April 2012 17:10 (five years ago) Permalink

I can honestly say I've never heard Grant's bass on a Husker Du record.

Waterloo? Oh, we've sunsetted that. (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Thursday, 19 April 2012 17:11 (five years ago) Permalink

Greg.

Poliopolice, Thursday, 19 April 2012 17:16 (five years ago) Permalink

The bands on Touch & Go, and then Sub Pop, where the Sabbath obsession came to the fore, ended up defining expectations for how loud underground rock "should" sound. By 87/88 there was something regressive and almost jokey about how the Butthole Surfers or Green River low end stood out among the tinsely haze of Squirrel Bait and Naked Raygun and other Huskerish bands.

― bendy, Thursday, April 19, 2012 6:04 AM (4 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

That's and interesting analysis. There was perhaps something regressive (or at least winkingly retro) about the heavier, sludgier, 70s metal-influenced bands in the 80s "underground", but the reinterpretation sounded fresh to me at the time. I liked Squirrel Bait, Naked Raygun and the Lemonheads, but I wouldn't say that Hate Your Friends sounded more forward-thinking in 1987 than, say, Scratch Acid's Berserker.

yuppie bullshit chocolate blogbait (contenderizer), Thursday, 19 April 2012 17:21 (five years ago) Permalink

xxp According to Bob, from Flip Your Wig on he was replacing Greg's bass parts anyway.

i love the large auns pictures! (Phil D.), Thursday, 19 April 2012 17:25 (five years ago) Permalink

Weird, didn't know that.

Waterloo? Oh, we've sunsetted that. (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Thursday, 19 April 2012 17:26 (five years ago) Permalink

Yeah, I didn't know Bob Stinson was on that album either.

i just believe in memes (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 19 April 2012 17:28 (five years ago) Permalink

Duh, me. Yes, Greg.

yuppie bullshit chocolate blogbait (contenderizer), Thursday, 19 April 2012 17:29 (five years ago) Permalink

brain ain't what it used to be, if it ever was

yuppie bullshit chocolate blogbait (contenderizer), Thursday, 19 April 2012 17:29 (five years ago) Permalink

Yeah, in Bob's book, all the Grant issues are there and he makes no secret of them, but he does not have a single nice word to say about Greg. Like at all.

i love the large auns pictures! (Phil D.), Thursday, 19 April 2012 17:34 (five years ago) Permalink

greg's more recent math rock/jazz band sort of dispells the myth he can't play

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vv7q6W24bKQ

Mississippi Butt Hurt (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 19 April 2012 17:36 (five years ago) Permalink

xxp According to Bob, from Flip Your Wig on he was replacing Greg's bass parts anyway.

― i love the large auns pictures! (Phil D.), Thursday, April 19, 2012 1:25 PM (10 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Is this claim... credible? I'm kind of shocked.

aluminum rivets must not be proud of their plastic bosses (Jon Lewis), Thursday, 19 April 2012 17:37 (five years ago) Permalink

yeah cause xpost...

aluminum rivets must not be proud of their plastic bosses (Jon Lewis), Thursday, 19 April 2012 17:38 (five years ago) Permalink

Yeah, in Bob's book, all the Grant issues are there and he makes no secret of them, but he does not have a single nice word to say about Greg. Like at all.

Neither does Grant, from what I've read. iirc, he said that Greg was the main reason a reunion would never, ever happen.

Waterloo? Oh, we've sunsetted that. (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Thursday, 19 April 2012 17:38 (five years ago) Permalink

That might be simply cuz Greg doesn't wanna do one though.

aluminum rivets must not be proud of their plastic bosses (Jon Lewis), Thursday, 19 April 2012 17:42 (five years ago) Permalink

He seems p happy with his cookin' life.

aluminum rivets must not be proud of their plastic bosses (Jon Lewis), Thursday, 19 April 2012 17:42 (five years ago) Permalink

never went but yeah apparently norton's was an amazing restaurant

Mississippi Butt Hurt (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 19 April 2012 17:43 (five years ago) Permalink

I thought it had more to do with Greg's insistence in the Du days that he too could write songs (I think this was Bob's complaint, too), and he very much could not. But he still wanted 1/3rd of the money.

xp

Waterloo? Oh, we've sunsetted that. (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Thursday, 19 April 2012 17:43 (five years ago) Permalink

xxp According to Bob, from Flip Your Wig on he was replacing Greg's bass parts anyway.

― i love the large auns pictures! (Phil D.), Thursday, April 19, 2012 10:25 AM (24 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

lol, according to wikipedia, "Bob Mould himself has stated that Flip Your Wig is what he views as "the best album [Hüsker Dü] ever did."

yuppie bullshit chocolate blogbait (contenderizer), Thursday, 19 April 2012 17:55 (five years ago) Permalink

btw

grant's new single "so far from heaven/morning star" is on spotify and it's great

Mississippi Butt Hurt (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 19 April 2012 17:57 (five years ago) Permalink

though it sounds all distorted like the mp3 didn't upload or scrobble right or whatever they do on spotify

Mississippi Butt Hurt (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 19 April 2012 17:58 (five years ago) Permalink

liked this little oddball pop song off the last grant:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cKRJWWQMBkY

Mississippi Butt Hurt (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 19 April 2012 18:00 (five years ago) Permalink

I love "My Regrets" -- it's kinda formulaic, but it's huge!

two overweight dachshunds with three eyes (La Lechera), Thursday, 19 April 2012 18:05 (five years ago) Permalink

I thought it had more to do with Greg's insistence in the Du days that he too could write songs (I think this was Bob's complaint, too), and he very much could not. But he still wanted 1/3rd of the money.

― Waterloo? Oh, we've sunsetted that. (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Thursday, April 19, 2012 12:43 PM (17 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Norton: When Bob said we were going to do the individual songwriter credits, I thought it was just Bob being pissed off at Grant, not realizing I was the only one who thought the songs the three of us worked on were collaborations. I mean, it said, “All songs by Hüsker Dü.” Bob went back and changed it, so he got all the money.

If you've never seen this piece on Huskers/Replacements, it's great:

http://www.magnetmagazine.com/2005/06/12/a-tale-of-twin-cities-husker-du-the-replacements-and-the-rise-and-fall-of-the-80s-minneapolis-scene/

Norton: When Bob said we were going to do the individual songwriter credits, I thought it was just Bob being pissed off at Grant, not realizing I was the only one who thought the songs the three of us worked on were collaborations. I mean, it said, “All songs by Hüsker Dü.” Bob went back and changed it, so he got all the money.

Advanced Uncle Meat recovery system (Dan Peterson), Thursday, 19 April 2012 18:07 (five years ago) Permalink

D'oh cut/paste...

Advanced Uncle Meat recovery system (Dan Peterson), Thursday, 19 April 2012 18:07 (five years ago) Permalink

Just re-listened to New Day Rising on the real stereo at loud volume, and while I'd be interested to hear a remaster, it's really just fine. Starting to wonder if the whole Husker Du/Remaster-Imperative thing (which I've been suckered by myself at times) is partly due to half the world listening on little computer speakers that are like 2" high.

dlp9001, Thursday, 19 April 2012 18:28 (five years ago) Permalink

That Magnet piece is great. Greg comes off as the sanest Du, but I kinda took everything all of them said with a salt lick.

Waterloo? Oh, we've sunsetted that. (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Thursday, 19 April 2012 18:32 (five years ago) Permalink

When Bob said we were going to do the individual songwriter credits, I thought it was just Bob being pissed off at Grant, not realizing I was the only one who thought the songs the three of us worked on were collaborations.

if you want songwriting credit, make sure you at least occasionally bring something that you independently created to the band, even if it's just a few bars or whatever. if it's embraced, then your bandmates are probably taking you at least somewhat seriously as a songwriter. if it isn't, then they may well figure that you're "just playing your part" on stuff that they wrote.

yuppie bullshit chocolate blogbait (contenderizer), Thursday, 19 April 2012 18:34 (five years ago) Permalink

for rock bands i hate and reject the whole "i wrote this song thing"...why is a bassline or a drum part not part of the songwriting? that's bullshit, no band i've ever been in ever split songwriting credits even if someone brought in a majority of the main changes, etc

Mississippi Butt Hurt (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 19 April 2012 18:36 (five years ago) Permalink

R.E.M. had the right idea, splitting all songwriting/publishing 4 ways, regardless of who contributed what.

Waterloo? Oh, we've sunsetted that. (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Thursday, 19 April 2012 18:41 (five years ago) Permalink

There's an awesome bit in the Dixie Chicks doc where they're recording with Rick Rubin and his hacks, including RHCP drummer Chad Smith. At some point Smith notes that the band splits songwriting royalties four ways and the Dixie Chicks look at him like he's a martian.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 19 April 2012 18:44 (five years ago) Permalink

Didn't the semisonic dude write that dixie chicks song anyway?

Mississippi Butt Hurt (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 19 April 2012 18:46 (five years ago) Permalink

Semisonic dude has written everything.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 19 April 2012 18:49 (five years ago) Permalink

loved this one off grant's last https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NTH4Zu8gleA

I accidentally sonned your dome (stevie), Thursday, 19 April 2012 18:49 (five years ago) Permalink

That was the first album they'd written most of the material for, though. The issue hadn't come up before; only 2-3 songs total on their previous records were written by them.

And yep, Dan Wilson is credited as co-writer.

xxp

Waterloo? Oh, we've sunsetted that. (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Thursday, 19 April 2012 18:50 (five years ago) Permalink

xp - oh yeah i love that one too!! that whole album is top notch imo. would listen to 100x over anything mould or westerberg has done in the last 5 years.

two overweight dachshunds with three eyes (La Lechera), Thursday, 19 April 2012 18:50 (five years ago) Permalink

(sorry guys)

two overweight dachshunds with three eyes (La Lechera), Thursday, 19 April 2012 18:50 (five years ago) Permalink

for rock bands i hate and reject the whole "i wrote this song thing"...why is a bassline or a drum part not part of the songwriting? that's bullshit, no band i've ever been in ever split songwriting credits even if someone brought in a majority of the main changes, etc
Yup. Levon Helm complained about Robbie Robertson taking claim for songs that all members of The Band had a hand in creating. Robertson gets full writing credit for "Chest Fever," even though it's Garth Hudson that everyone hears.

Jazzbo, Thursday, 19 April 2012 18:51 (five years ago) Permalink


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