Wiki claims he also trotted out the "some of my best friends are Jewish" defense.
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 19 April 2012 15:49 (twelve years ago) link
a negative interpretation of that song never occurred to me but then i was like eleven at the time
― thomp, Thursday, 19 April 2012 15:52 (twelve years ago) link
I should also say I don't expect either Axl or Michael to have coherent views on anything, let alone the contextual nuances of racial epithets. To be fair, those atypical MJ lyrics were an outlier of sorts in an otherwise mostly innocuous career. But Axl's purported racism and xenophobia I'm not sure is any worse than his consistent virulent misogyny.
Did GNR ever dare play that song live? What did the other dudes in the band ever say about the song in the press?
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 19 April 2012 15:53 (twelve years ago) link
I hate them both. Problem solved!
― Jilly Boel and the Eltones (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 19 April 2012 15:54 (twelve years ago) link
We talked about that a bit upthead. xp
― fruitsbs (beachville), Thursday, 19 April 2012 15:54 (twelve years ago) link
Axl disowned One in a Million, didn't play it live, had it removed from subsequent pressings/reissues/compilations etc
So you can't buy Lies anymore?
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 19 April 2012 15:55 (twelve years ago) link
http://desmond.imageshack.us/Himg218/scaled.php?server=218&filename=michaeljackson19kt2.jpg&res=landing
xp: you can. he just said he was gonna take it off, but didn't
― fruitsbs (beachville), Thursday, 19 April 2012 15:56 (twelve years ago) link
ah. I was going off that long bio piece posted upthread
― Jilly Boel and the Eltones (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 19 April 2012 15:56 (twelve years ago) link
there's a bit of Slash's memoir about how offended/embarrassed he was about the song and having played on it
― lathe darkman (some dude), Thursday, 19 April 2012 15:59 (twelve years ago) link
just reading that MJ entry and lol'ing at the stupidity of this:
While the New York Times asserted the use of racial slurs in "They Don't Care About Us", they were silent on other racial slurs in the album. The Notorious B.I.G. says "nigger" on "This Time Around," another song on the HIStory album, but it did not attract media attention.
― Jilly Boel and the Eltones (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 19 April 2012 16:04 (twelve years ago) link
it still bugs me that we talk about this but have to just accept the fact that in a lot of the most interesting best music being made, you can either make your peace with hearing "bitch" and "whore" a lot or you can go fuck yourself
― same old song and placenta (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Thursday, 19 April 2012 16:09 (twelve years ago) link
that too
― Jilly Boel and the Eltones (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 19 April 2012 16:15 (twelve years ago) link
The debate is whether is applies to explicit or implicit racism, though I suppose that rarely does the best or most interesting music espouse racism (at least not since the peaks of PE and Ice Cube).
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 19 April 2012 16:18 (twelve years ago) link
Yeah, the same people who will excoriate Axl Rose seem to turn a blind eye to misogyny and gross worldviews in rap music for some reason.
― Poliopolice, Thursday, 19 April 2012 17:27 (twelve years ago) link
yeah nobody's ever called Axl Rose a misogynist, what's up with that
― lathe darkman (some dude), Thursday, 19 April 2012 17:30 (twelve years ago) link
oh misread the post, nvm
and vica versa.
― da croupier, Thursday, 19 April 2012 17:31 (twelve years ago) link
haha who are these "same people"
― goole, Thursday, 19 April 2012 17:47 (twelve years ago) link
strawgoons
― lathe darkman (some dude), Thursday, 19 April 2012 17:52 (twelve years ago) link
― Poliopolice, Thursday, April 19, 2012 10:27 AM (27 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
so do you know this guy frogbs?
― yuppie bullshit chocolate blogbait (contenderizer), Thursday, 19 April 2012 17:57 (twelve years ago) link
re: axl + hip-hop + misogyny, 'my world' is pretty underrated. it's better than 'estranged' anyway
― Philip Nunez, Thursday, 19 April 2012 18:23 (twelve years ago) link
no way dogg estranged is awesome
― Mississippi Butt Hurt (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 19 April 2012 18:23 (twelve years ago) link
estranged is so good.
― fruitsbs (beachville), Thursday, 19 April 2012 18:24 (twelve years ago) link
shall we do a close read on the lyrics to see which song is the victor?
― Philip Nunez, Thursday, 19 April 2012 18:25 (twelve years ago) link
"You wan'da step into my worldIt's a sociopsychotic state of blissYou've been delayed in the real worldHow many times have you hit and missed?"vs."When you're talkin' to yourselfAnd nobody's homeYou can fool yourselfYou came in this world alone, alone"
― Philip Nunez, Thursday, 19 April 2012 18:30 (twelve years ago) link
oh my distorted smile, guess what I'm doing now
― lathe darkman (some dude), Thursday, 19 April 2012 18:31 (twelve years ago) link
― Philip Nunez, Thursday, April 19, 2012 1:25 PM (5 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
^^the only reliable metric for comparing the quality of two pieces of music IMO
― Mississippi Butt Hurt (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 19 April 2012 18:31 (twelve years ago) link
might be coincidence, but it's striking that both songs start out in the second person, and end with the same word on the A part of the ABAB. My World, though, clearly packs more ideas in the first few lines, so on information density alone, it's already ahead.
― Philip Nunez, Thursday, 19 April 2012 18:32 (twelve years ago) link
it's also a putrid techno hip hop pastiche whereas "Estranged" is one of the band's most musically ambitious rock operas
― lathe darkman (some dude), Thursday, 19 April 2012 18:33 (twelve years ago) link
lol sorry that came out pretty hongro
Yeah, I agree with some dude. Love "Estranged," skip "My World." The coda of "Estranged" is one of my favorite bits on those albums.
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 19 April 2012 18:34 (twelve years ago) link
my world is like "what if the announcer from a monster truck rally commercial did a rap record with trent reznor?"
― Mississippi Butt Hurt (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 19 April 2012 18:37 (twelve years ago) link
c'mon, my world isn't THAT good.
― Philip Nunez, Thursday, 19 April 2012 18:38 (twelve years ago) link
Do rock guys make poor attempts at rap anymore? Would love to see recent examples of this.
― fruitsbs (beachville), Thursday, 19 April 2012 18:43 (twelve years ago) link
umm wtf that would only be the best album ever
― same old song and placenta (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Thursday, 19 April 2012 18:44 (twelve years ago) link
"Your cat-scan shows disfigurationI wanna laugh myself to deathWith a misfired synapsewith a bent configurationI'll hold the line while you gasp for breath"
ok so i'm not as familiar with medical technology as someone has howard hughes-ish as axl is, but is that how CAT scans work? also, isn't it neurons that fire across a synapse? "misfired synapse" sounds like bullshit. and how can it have a "bent configuration"? "I'll hold the line while you gasp for breath" Axl's talking with Stephanie Seymour on the phone WHILE she's getting a CAT scan?
Still, bullshit content is more interesting than the contentless mush of:
So nobody ever told you babyHow it was gonna beWhat'll happen to you baby?Guess we'll have to wait and see
― Philip Nunez, Thursday, 19 April 2012 18:53 (twelve years ago) link
god please stop, this is so tedious
― lathe darkman (some dude), Thursday, 19 April 2012 18:55 (twelve years ago) link
my world is pretty much over at this point. it's estranged that goes on forever.
― Philip Nunez, Thursday, 19 April 2012 18:56 (twelve years ago) link
"respected bullying expert and Guns N' Roses guitarist Dj Ashba"
http://gawker.com/5903486/internets-sleaziest-pornographer-calls-it-quits-im-done-with-looking-at-little-kids-naked-all-day
― poxen, Thursday, 19 April 2012 22:30 (twelve years ago) link
lol
― Mississippi Butt Hurt (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 19 April 2012 22:57 (twelve years ago) link
jesus fuck
― fruitsbs (beachville), Thursday, 19 April 2012 23:14 (twelve years ago) link
i'd never ever heard of that site. yay me.
― yuppie bullshit chocolate blogbait (contenderizer), Thursday, 19 April 2012 23:16 (twelve years ago) link
what are his qualifications, I wonder
― Poliopolice, Friday, 20 April 2012 17:13 (twelve years ago) link
He wears dumb stuff that makes me want to punch him?
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 20 April 2012 18:30 (twelve years ago) link
he looks like Mick Mars, except, um... younger
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Mick_Mars_2012.jpg
― Poliopolice, Friday, 20 April 2012 18:38 (twelve years ago) link
http://i.imgur.com/Ki9Ep.jpg?1
― Poliopolice, Friday, 20 April 2012 18:41 (twelve years ago) link
Mick Mars looks a lot like one of my aunts now, yikes.
― Respectfully, Tyrese Gibson (Nicole), Friday, 20 April 2012 18:45 (twelve years ago) link
Alice Cooper IS Chrissie Hynde
― da croupier, Friday, 20 April 2012 18:51 (twelve years ago) link