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Three Word Username, Wednesday, 18 April 2012 22:01 (twelve years ago) link

I have a great degree of skepticism about the malice of the ppl involved.

Has anyone read the TNC piece about the American right not understanding racism in the US as anything more than a means to trip up your opponents? It speaks to a part of the left, too, imho, and if you think this ought to be a learning experince for the Swedish, for that museum and the Culture Minister, that's fine. It may a good opportunity to learn something about Swedes, for some ppl, too.

L'ennui, cette maladie de tous les (Michael White), Wednesday, 18 April 2012 22:05 (twelve years ago) link

Listen, Three-Word. Don't talk down to me like I'm from Finland.

pplains, Wednesday, 18 April 2012 22:09 (twelve years ago) link

Man that reminds me of the Swedish doctor in 'The Kingdom' who cannot quite contain his withering contempt for the Danes.

L'ennui, cette maladie de tous les (Michael White), Wednesday, 18 April 2012 22:11 (twelve years ago) link

Just teasing. I'm not Swedish, so I can.

Three Word Username, Wednesday, 18 April 2012 22:14 (twelve years ago) link

michael white OTM @ 3:05 pm PST

yuppie bullshit chocolate blogbait (contenderizer), Wednesday, 18 April 2012 22:18 (twelve years ago) link

Good enough for a Fin, too damn good for a Swede.

HE HATES THESE CANS (Austerity Ponies), Wednesday, 18 April 2012 23:26 (twelve years ago) link

Oh, man. This isn't where Minnesota Nice got watered down from, is it?

pplains, Wednesday, 18 April 2012 23:57 (twelve years ago) link

*lowers blinds*

catbus otm (gbx), Thursday, 19 April 2012 02:03 (twelve years ago) link

The US is the world's number one supplier of weapons, treasure, and political power to the dictators that allow FGM.

― Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), den 18 april 2012 23:58 (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

sweden is actually the world's number one supplier of weapons, if you count per capita. and constantly sell surveillance equipment and weapons to dictators, through government owned companies.

sonderangerbot, Thursday, 19 April 2012 12:40 (twelve years ago) link

Why would you count per capita?

an independent online phenomenon (DJP), Thursday, 19 April 2012 12:42 (twelve years ago) link

every Swede spends a few hours a day constructing and exporting weapons.

lou reed scott walker monks niagra (chinavision!), Thursday, 19 April 2012 13:12 (twelve years ago) link

In between bites of cake, I suppose

L'ennui, cette maladie de tous les (Michael White), Thursday, 19 April 2012 14:02 (twelve years ago) link

Per capita's worth noting given that Sweden has about 9m people and the only countries who export more arms have at least seven times that.

Une semaine de Bunty (ShariVari), Thursday, 19 April 2012 14:14 (twelve years ago) link

Hmmm....did not know that. Per capita, of course.

Fwiw Sweden was the 1st country to legislate against FGM.

Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Thursday, 19 April 2012 17:15 (twelve years ago) link

1st Western country

Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Thursday, 19 April 2012 17:16 (twelve years ago) link

I still am not really seeing how the country's population correlates at all with its capacity/desire to produce weapons, or why that's an interesting statistic beyond "here is a list where Sweden comes first", unless you are looking at weapon manufacture in comparison with Sweden's other industries

I need new, hip khakis (DJP), Thursday, 19 April 2012 19:23 (twelve years ago) link

bomb sweden

mh, Thursday, 19 April 2012 19:24 (twelve years ago) link

t's a sort of extreme distaste for getting into other people's lives and business. If what you do bugs me, I will avoid you forever before I call you out on it.

File under "things I have spent my adult life un-learning."

how did I get here? why am I in the whiskey aisle? this is all so (Laurel), Thursday, 19 April 2012 19:28 (twelve years ago) link

http://www.defencetalk.com/swedish-weapons-exports-on-the-rise-24690/

article on this from 2010. it doesn't say anything about sales relative to other countries tho.

goole, Thursday, 19 April 2012 19:34 (twelve years ago) link

Sweden's sixth in the world overall, after the US, Russia, France, China and the UK - all countries with traditionally much larger manufacturing industries and domestic armies.

Une semaine de Bunty (ShariVari), Thursday, 19 April 2012 19:36 (twelve years ago) link

at least in 2010, 80% of their exports went to the rest of europe. the bomb-basket of europe! like the danes and butter

goole, Thursday, 19 April 2012 19:41 (twelve years ago) link

I am not saying gross production isn't a useful or informative statistic; I am questioning the relevance/usefulness of per capita production in comparison with other countries.

I need new, hip khakis (DJP), Thursday, 19 April 2012 19:41 (twelve years ago) link

That's really wild, i had no idea about that stuff.

Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Thursday, 19 April 2012 19:42 (twelve years ago) link

Sweden = Saab Aerospace = fighter jet exports

i love the large auns pictures! (Phil D.), Thursday, 19 April 2012 19:46 (twelve years ago) link

bizarre thread where i inevitably find contenderizer's stances weasel-y & defensive

man down (D-40), Friday, 20 April 2012 06:07 (twelve years ago) link

it may be that we're just not all that well suited to one another

http://sarahburningham.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/Heartbreak_Cookie.jpg

yuppie bullshit chocolate blogbait (contenderizer), Friday, 20 April 2012 06:21 (twelve years ago) link

is that like a European version of the Onion or something?

when will Jesus bring the composition chops? (loves laboured breathing), Saturday, 21 April 2012 15:49 (twelve years ago) link

It has a separate category (alongside Arts & Entertainment / Sport / Politics) for Julius Malema - I'm guessing not.

Andrew Farrell, Saturday, 21 April 2012 15:56 (twelve years ago) link

Oh ok I did not pay attention too much to any of the details

when will Jesus bring the composition chops? (loves laboured breathing), Saturday, 21 April 2012 16:49 (twelve years ago) link

/the only thing causes me to defer are my attitudes towards the responsibilities that attend power imbalances./

erg, subject verb. make that: "the only thing that causes me to defer is my personal conception of the ethical responsibilities that attend power imbalances"
--yuppie bullshit chocolate blogbait (contenderizer)

This is a pretty impressive way of saying "I tend to respect the experience of the offended party."

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Saturday, 21 April 2012 23:55 (twelve years ago) link

i knew i must have meant something

yuppie bullshit chocolate blogbait (contenderizer), Sunday, 22 April 2012 00:08 (twelve years ago) link

haha

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Sunday, 22 April 2012 08:45 (twelve years ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xOI2GGY1SeE

Sort of feel bad for this guy

i don't believe in zimmerman (Hurting 2), Monday, 23 April 2012 12:35 (twelve years ago) link

I would love to believe that this was just a case of neighbors being suspicious of people in an empty house, but I know it wasn't.

The Newton County Sheriff’s Office is investigating why a couple was confronted at gunpoint by neighbors and then arrested and forced to spend the night in jail when they tried to move into the home they had just purchased, Channel 2 Action News reported.

The Kalonji family had just closed on a foreclosed home and were told by their real estate agent they should go over to the house and change the locks.

But when Jean Kalonji and his wife, Angelica, started working at the home, an armed man and another person who appeared to be the man’s son allegedly confronted them.

“He say to put the hands up and get out from the house, otherwise he would shoot us,” the husband told Channel 2.

The neighbors didn’t believe the couple when they told them they had bought the home and called the Newton County Sheriff’s Office. The Kalonjis didn’t have the closing papers with them, so deputies arrested them, charged them with loitering and prowling and took them to jail.

Yvette Harris, the couple’s real estate agent, said they never should have been arrested.

“They rightfully own this house,” Harris said.

Kalonji, who grew up in the Congo, said the experience brought back painful memories.

“There, they put me down with the gun to my head, and come here, the same,” he said.

Mark Mitchell, spokesman for the Newton Sheriff’s Office, said authorities are “looking into it, exactly what occurred, why it occurred.”

A person at the neighbors’ house said no one wanted to talk to Channel 2 about the incident.

i love the large auns pictures! (Phil D.), Monday, 23 April 2012 13:54 (twelve years ago) link

in before 50 commenters explaining that the Kalonjis shouldn't have been acting suspicious

i don't believe in zimmerman (Hurting 2), Monday, 23 April 2012 14:04 (twelve years ago) link

You know, all these gun-happy freedom nuts could pick on some actual bad guys from time to time, instead of poor minorities just trying to get through life. Why don't we ever hear about this happening to some asshole CEO?

Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Monday, 23 April 2012 15:24 (twelve years ago) link

i think there's a chappelle show sketch about that

Mordy, Monday, 23 April 2012 15:25 (twelve years ago) link

It's crazy how gun usage tends to slide from protection of self to protection of property to protection of property that you don't even have a personal interest in. Hey, someone is doing something mildly suspicious to a FORECLOSED FUCKING HOUSE. Should I call the police? No, I'll just go over there and force them to the ground with my gun.

i don't believe in zimmerman (Hurting 2), Monday, 23 April 2012 15:34 (twelve years ago) link

You know we're LIVING in a SOCIETY!

Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Monday, 23 April 2012 15:34 (twelve years ago) link

and the reaction to slow police? "I could call the police but they'll be gone by the time the police get there! I need a gun!"

instead of

"I could call the police but they'll be gone by the time the police get there. Why do we not fund the police properly or have them concentrating on the correct priorities?!?"

mh, Monday, 23 April 2012 15:37 (twelve years ago) link

xp to that english teacher vid: good lord wtf, that goes from sad to awkward offensive comedy sketch v quickly. he honestly says that he uses the word so he'll feel "more comfortable" with his black students. how do people get to that point in their lives/careers without even the slightest idea of what reclamation is?

as a sidenote, i really hate how in stories like these, there's always a rush to make sure that everyone watching it knows that the black child is an honor roll student, a football player, junior ROTC, boy scout, etc. i'm never sure how much of that narration is happening simply to describe the kid and his hobbies -- it usually comes off sounding like "he's on the good ones" and implying that it wouldn't be a story worth caring about if he came off as a "thug" to white people. can't help paying more attention to it after trayvon.

JIM THOMETHEUS (zachlyon), Monday, 23 April 2012 20:35 (twelve years ago) link

it's sad that kids have complete idiots for teachers

THE KITTEN TYPE (contenderizer), Monday, 23 April 2012 20:50 (twelve years ago) link

but really fucking common

aboulia banks (Noodle Vague), Monday, 23 April 2012 21:33 (twelve years ago) link

i knew instantly, something was about to go terribly wrong...

"i'm the n[BEEP], AAAAAAAAHHHH!"

the irony of this attack?

THE KITTEN TYPE (contenderizer), Tuesday, 24 April 2012 20:43 (twelve years ago) link

if you've ever seen a live TV newscaster in action you'll know that it is very hard to resist fucking with them, they are such horrible douchebags

heavy is the head that eats the crayons (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 24 April 2012 20:47 (twelve years ago) link

I've mentioned that my sister-in-law is a live TV newscaster, right

somehow I have little difficulty believing that you are the bigger douchebag here

I need new, hip khakis (DJP), Tuesday, 24 April 2012 20:54 (twelve years ago) link

Did you guys watch the whole thing?

suidavyvan eht nioj (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 24 April 2012 20:59 (twelve years ago) link


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