wait, didn't one already say she was knocked up?
― Kiarostami bag (milo z), Wednesday, 18 April 2012 20:09 (twelve years ago) link
lol yes, that was my point
― Mordy, Wednesday, 18 April 2012 20:10 (twelve years ago) link
if it were an NRO production, they'd spout empty liberal platitudes nonstop (while not so subtly revealing their hypocritical racism and narcissism), express sneering contempt for traditional virtues of every imaginable sort, and wind up swindled by savvy "ethnic" "street" characters for a punchline.
― yuppie bullshit chocolate blogbait (contenderizer), Wednesday, 18 April 2012 20:10 (twelve years ago) link
Going to lol if the first person of color shows up in The Crackcident
― Kiarostami bag (milo z), Wednesday, 18 April 2012 20:12 (twelve years ago) link
i'll be doing something, but it won't be lolling
― heated debate over derpy hooves (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 18 April 2012 20:12 (twelve years ago) link
i didn't say NRO could have made this show, just that they could find a lot to like about it
― Mordy, Wednesday, 18 April 2012 20:14 (twelve years ago) link
http://blaria.com/2012/04/18/girls/
(HS - I think you will like that ^)
― wolf kabob (ENBB), Wednesday, 18 April 2012 20:15 (twelve years ago) link
a blog that is named for the fact that its creator considers herself "the black Daria"...
― some former lust object you've shamefully forgotten (some dude), Wednesday, 18 April 2012 20:20 (twelve years ago) link
listen ignore that part - the piece is funny
― wolf kabob (ENBB), Wednesday, 18 April 2012 20:28 (twelve years ago) link
what's wrong with being called "the black daria"??
i felt like this show struck a weird note. almost everything about the dialogue and characters was so off...i found myself being like "who EVER has conversations like this?" so many times, and also it is completely unbelievable to me that a bunch of rich young new yorkers are that naive about drugs!! come the fuck on that is their bread and butter. the only thing that was even a little compelling was lena dunham's character...but the only thing compelling is her depression/self-loathing. bleak show.
― bene_gesserit, Thursday, 19 April 2012 00:09 (twelve years ago) link
I don't think it's that bleak! Who among us has never hung around a bunch 20something fuckups?
― A Little Princess btw (s1ocki), Thursday, 19 April 2012 00:22 (twelve years ago) link
i agree it was totally off. i am trying not to be a typical white person and a jerk but after one episode i am not prepared to hate the show because it lacks POC. for example, i think freaks and geeks was fine, it was all white ppl iirc, it was a school and schools in the u.s. are segregated just like groups of best friends/roommates are segregated. but i would say that, i'm white! it is maybe more of a problem how it is hard for POC to get shows that they make hyped to this extent. i did however think the random black guy telling her to smile was a little weird and the asian on the computer same.
― kneel aurmstrong (harbl), Thursday, 19 April 2012 00:25 (twelve years ago) link
the totally off was a separate thought re: the dialogue like b_g said
― kneel aurmstrong (harbl), Thursday, 19 April 2012 00:26 (twelve years ago) link
i just got to this part
Look, I completely understand the concept of “write what you know.” Hello, this blog is named Blaria. My brand is contingent on my knowing about being Black (plenty of Black History Month reports will do the trick) as well as being sarcastic and droll (being a teenager taught me that).
and just went "yeah i don't need to keep reading this." but then i hate Daria.
― some dude, Thursday, 19 April 2012 00:26 (twelve years ago) link
dialogue rang totally true to me but maybe I hang out with squares?
― max, Thursday, 19 April 2012 00:41 (twelve years ago) link
lol yeah...
― iatee, Thursday, 19 April 2012 00:43 (twelve years ago) link
i only hang out with cool ppl
― kneel aurmstrong (harbl), Thursday, 19 April 2012 00:44 (twelve years ago) link
i want to like lena dunham because she is being hailed as the new face of feminist film or whatever, but i don't really feel like there is anything feminist about this, it's a character whose only relatable quality is that she hates herself and does humiliating things, which is presented as comedy :( and seriously i am highly suspicious of anything on hbo because they are the absolute worst w/r/t portrayals of women on their series and i would bet $$ on the fact that they picked this up for the wrong reasons (built-in humiliation of women ...)
i mean - even in this thread people were saying that the scene in the pipe was their favorite part of "tiny furniture"...i guess i just wonder why our culture needs to see women humiliated so much. i'm sorry if i have a hard time believing that most of the men who watch this are thinking about "what it all means", rather than just being titillated or laughing about it. maybe lena dunham doesn't consider herself a feminist and is just caught in a media blitz, but it's condescending and sad to have this shoved down my throat as "feminism 2k12". and of course the implied "feminism as the exclusive domain of educated rich white people" is also extremely obnoxious and tired.
i did like "tiny furniture" and want to like this but i am afraid of it being accepted as is. [/RANT}
― bene_gesserit, Thursday, 19 April 2012 00:46 (twelve years ago) link
hey bell, i share your suspicion of film/tv where women are humiliated. i think dunham's portrayal of those moments is qualitatively different from, say, a hitchcock film. it seems like the impulse is less to humiliate the characters than to represent experiences women sometimes have that don't fit the mythology of, say, traditional romantic comedies. i don't view tiny furniture as punishing of the dunham character when she has that horrible sex in the pipe; i view it more as representing an experience of being a young woman where you're kind of reckless and willing to try some things out and how badly that sometimes goes. also how alienating sexual encounters can sometimes be. i feel like those are realities of feminine experience i don't see onscreen that much? it just seems humanized to me in tiny furniture and in the pilot of girls, rather than objectifying, though i guess in a visual medium it can be hard to distinguish those two things.
not sure if i'm right about that; obvs it's easier for me to feel that way off the bat with a woman behind the camera.
― horseshoe, Thursday, 19 April 2012 01:01 (twelve years ago) link
out of all the things i've seen written about this show itt and elsewhere i haven't seen really a single thing that's even mentioned the word "feminism"
― some dude, Thursday, 19 April 2012 01:05 (twelve years ago) link
yeah i remember dunham saying she would be incredibly suspicious of any male director who asked her to do the things that she has herself doing in her own movies
― these pretzels are makeing me horney (Hungry4Ass), Thursday, 19 April 2012 01:06 (twelve years ago) link
― some dude, Wednesday, April 18, 2012 9:05 PM (49 seconds ago) Bookmark
to be fair you probably dont read many feminist blogs or whatever (maybe im way off-base)
― these pretzels are makeing me horney (Hungry4Ass), Thursday, 19 April 2012 01:07 (twelve years ago) link
i think that the motives are exactly how you described, (x-post horseshoe) and why i was ok with it in the format of an indie film, but i am just highly cynical that most people watching hbo are thinking critically about what they are watching.
― bene_gesserit, Thursday, 19 April 2012 01:11 (twelve years ago) link
almost ever single thing ive seen written about this show - from that horrified frank bruni review to the very complimentary one in the new yorker - have mentioned it
― Lamp, Thursday, 19 April 2012 01:11 (twelve years ago) link
i am trying not to be a typical white person and a jerk but after one episode i am not prepared to hate the show because it lacks POC. for example, i think freaks and geeks was fine, it was all white ppl iirc, it was a school and schools in the u.s. are segregated just like groups of best friends/roommates are segregated. but i would say that, i'm white! it is maybe more of a problem how it is hard for POC to get shows that they make hyped to this extent. i did however think the random black guy telling her to smile was a little weird and the asian on the computer same.
― kneel aurmstrong (harbl), Wednesday, April 18, 2012 8:25 PM (43 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
i don't hate it because it lacks people of color, fwiw. jho also observed that the whiteness might be purposeful because white people of a certain class hang out with white people of a certain class. a thing that has been made real to me and has made me angry of late is a realization that white people of my acquaintance will tune out of culture featuring people of color, assuming it's not "for" them, so yeah, i think the marketability of a show like this might go down the more people of color it features prominently.
i wish there were more characters of color because i have a lot of accumulated anger about this subject tbh. probably more about me than it is about this specific show.
― horseshoe, Thursday, 19 April 2012 01:12 (twelve years ago) link
also i love white people and shows about white people and books about white people and have devoted my life to the consumption of culture about white people so whatever @ me; i've been totally asking for it.
― horseshoe, Thursday, 19 April 2012 01:14 (twelve years ago) link
i dunno bene_gesserit's post just made it sound like "a feminist show" (as opposed to "a show by/about young women" in which feminism is an inevitable concern) was the entire narrative around the show both in the media coverage and from the perspective of the show's creator, which struck me as odd
― some dude, Thursday, 19 April 2012 01:15 (twelve years ago) link
i guess we are reading different media because most of what i've read about this show has discussed it as a feminist work.
― bene_gesserit, Thursday, 19 April 2012 01:43 (twelve years ago) link
what is the differece between 'a feminist show' and 'not a feminist show'
― iatee, Thursday, 19 April 2012 01:45 (twelve years ago) link
GIRLS
― their private gesture for bison (difficult listening hour), Thursday, 19 April 2012 01:45 (twelve years ago) link
i saw this btw it was decently funny except when they talked about facebook so you'd know they know where the hands have come to on the clock
― their private gesture for bison (difficult listening hour), Thursday, 19 April 2012 01:46 (twelve years ago) link
the shirtless boyfriend almost offended me on behalf of my gender but nah i'm sure that's how half of us behave
― their private gesture for bison (difficult listening hour), Thursday, 19 April 2012 01:47 (twelve years ago) link
couldn't stop thinking about how small his head was relative to his torso
― raw feel vegan (silby), Thursday, 19 April 2012 01:49 (twelve years ago) link
I know right! First thing I said when I saw him, his head does not go with that body.
― kinder, Thursday, 19 April 2012 01:54 (twelve years ago) link
i do think this show will kinda stack up better after a while. it's weird to think about it in terms of sympathy, or in terms of realism; there was maybe not a moment but a point in tiny furniture at which it became apparent that she wasn't shooting for a story but for a pretty cynical, i guess sorta self-loathing critique, and that that was the POV it had, on her generation, or on being stupid & in your twenties, rather than the whole thing being a charming or compelling portrait of the individual characters.
― john-claude van donne (schlump), Thursday, 19 April 2012 11:33 (twelve years ago) link
i keep wanting to bring up nicole holofcener but more for the sake of it than anything.
― judith, Thursday, 19 April 2012 11:46 (twelve years ago) link
ha, no that's p otm
― blossom smulch (schlump), Thursday, 19 April 2012 12:07 (twelve years ago) link
Every wall in NYC seems to carry an advert for this programme. Every free magazine in Brooklyn talks about it. And even the UK Guardian is banging on about it. It is quite sad not to be able to watch it.
― the pinefox, Thursday, 19 April 2012 12:17 (twelve years ago) link
btw in the main pic the Lena chick looks better than the other 3, I wonder if she knows this
― the pinefox, Thursday, 19 April 2012 12:18 (twelve years ago) link
pinefox, search 'girls hbo' on youtube and you can watch the whole first ep
― obliquity of the ecliptic (rrrobyn), Thursday, 19 April 2012 12:48 (twelve years ago) link
watching this show made me glad to not be in my 20s, in that i could relate to some of the awkwardness, but mostly i felt like i was watching a show not meant for me. and that's okay.
― obliquity of the ecliptic (rrrobyn), Thursday, 19 April 2012 12:51 (twelve years ago) link
brian williams' daughter's legs are the best thing about that pic imo, lena looks like she's trying a little too hard to convey the tone of the entire show in her posture and facial expression
ratings weren't great, got less viewers than eastbound & down
― some dude, Thursday, 19 April 2012 12:52 (twelve years ago) link
watching this made me think about Solondz and how i think his films are genius, but perhaps that's an unfair comparison since Dunham's film/show isn't full-on satire. though it kind of is.
― obliquity of the ecliptic (rrrobyn), Thursday, 19 April 2012 12:58 (twelve years ago) link
http://www.thedailybeast.com/content/dailybeast/articles/2012/04/12/hbo-s-girls-is-the-best-new-tv-show-of-2012/_jcr_content/body/inlineimage.img.503.jpg/1334220343607.jpg
it's seriously becoming hilarious to me that there are multiple promotional photos where she strikes that exact pose
― some dude, Thursday, 19 April 2012 13:00 (twelve years ago) link
really odd thing about the pic at the top, I belatedly realize / formulate, is that it appears to show them together, as friends, but they appear all to be in different scenes, with expressions totally unrelated to each other
the one on the left (is she the English one?), laughing at something quite other than her chums, or laughing at her chums while looking totally inappropriately away, is the one that really makes this effect a bit unnerving or annoying for me.
― the pinefox, Thursday, 19 April 2012 13:05 (twelve years ago) link
I do want to watch this programme (thanks Rrrobyn) but I read "Lena D and best friend interview each other" in a free Brooklyn magazine (L?) last week and it was horrendously self-aggrandizing and worthy.
― the pinefox, Thursday, 19 April 2012 13:07 (twelve years ago) link
ah, yes, well, it's not called Friends, it's called Girlsxp
― obliquity of the ecliptic (rrrobyn), Thursday, 19 April 2012 13:07 (twelve years ago) link
haha i wish this show was called Happy Ladies
― some dude, Thursday, 19 April 2012 13:09 (twelve years ago) link
it's seriously becoming hilarious to me that there are multiple promotional photos where she strikes that exact pose, lena looks like she's trying a little too hard to convey the tone of the entire show in her posture and facial expression
otm it's really annoying
― wolf kabob (ENBB), Thursday, 19 April 2012 13:30 (twelve years ago) link
tbh i was sort of wondering if that was a photographer's instruction so that shed be hiding her body
― max, Thursday, 19 April 2012 13:32 (twelve years ago) link