The Irish

Also there's a bit of historical context for the English mocking the Irish. If it were idk the Germans I'd be more likely to laugh back at them.

he's not one of me, i don't know who's making the false assumption there tbh

you're not Irish?

i decidedly am, i'm surely not one of whatever pat shortt encapsulates, tks

there's no real argument that can get you around the fact that it's obv worse for someone not of a country/creed/race to mock that country/creed/race

well I thought us vs outsiders was perfectly clear but obviously not.

I totally get that English people should stay the hell away from doing stupid indefensible nonsense like that video. Reading this thread, I'm wondering if it's specifically the English (which is the word people are using) or whether the offence would be as bad if it were Scots or Welsh people doing it? Just idly wondering, really.

not while i'm a phone!

As i said upthread, yeah, hard and fast rule then fine, grand. But there's degrees of it etc

I would find it fairly bad if Scots or Welsh doing it, I just can't see that being the case though. The tone of that video is v specific to English mockery of Ireland and its traditions.

I think it's not really meant to be mockery - I think they think they are being friendly and pro-Ireland

but they just seem weirdly untalented, unfunny, stupid and boring.

I have not heard this band and this seems like a good thing
they are often described as Tories, I wonder if this is true?

btw Tory was originally an Irish term, for a C17-18 highway robber I think

those aware of their previous work will know there's nothing weird about that

I think they think they are being friendly and pro-Ireland

They think so too.

well, it's something

so wait is that a member of mumford & sons in the video?

it's a better 'irish' accent than kevin spacey's in ordinary decent criminal.

it's not very good. it doesn't really have a point. the cliches aren't even drawn on. d-.

not 'offended' or 'shocked', it's just a bad irish accent with no jokes and no point. it's a bad advert.

would you like a prize or

i don't know, i'm not the one competing in 'the disgusted' category tbh

A lot of that accent sounded like a (bad, obv) impersonation of the Ross O'Carroll-Kelly types. Though there are many shining strands of green shite woven through it, of course.

http://www.uni-due.de/IERC/index.html

idk despite the differences apparent when listened consecutively, i think i could only really parse dublin/non-dublin and ulster, the one from the southeast sounds enough like connaught accents i have heard etc

to actual irish ppl, how many regional accents could you identify? i don't think it has quite the variety of england, which is a dificult comparison due to relative size, but then as someone who has never been to scotland i can still tell glasgow from teuchter or east of scotland

How many? I can tell you if a man's father came from bunnacurry or dugort

the variation over tiny distances is pretty remarkable

maybe so but extreme localization highlights effects and mutations which cannot take place at a more regional level, like if the priest of dugort pronounces a word a certain way and everyone else in the village follows

could you tell a cork accent from a kerry one?

Definitely. I'd say the ones highlighted on that map are all fairly distinct. The midlands is a lottery

this also made apparent how much middle class dublin accents resemble middle class home counties accents

Cork and kerry lol thats not even a shared language. Carlow can be a little northern sounding, i dont pick up much accent from the south east corner, and the north (six counties) sounds much the same to me. Midlands is a melting pot but there's discernible differences p much in every county for those that know em im sure

Cant get to this atm but will try later on

yeah i am told that cork and cobh are quite discernable which i'm sure is true, but the extent is probably exagerrated by narcissism of small differences and you'll find some locals insisting that cobh is actually closer to a korean accent than cork

North or south?

As an outsider, Darragh seems otm to me. Cork is unique, I can pick up several Midlands accents but the s/e and north seem to have fewer variations. Could be because I spend all my time in the Midlands though.

this also made apparent how much middle class dublin accents resemble middle class home counties accents

no

I don't think you can really tell from this, I agree with Darragh on the differences.

When I was in the Coleraine area as a cloth-eared English oppressor I found the local accent a lot softer than the Belfast one, but it's hard to pick up any major differences from the clips on the site

slightly intrigued by this being on a German university website (I have visited that university! not the bit the author's at, though)

this also made apparent how much middle class dublin accents resemble middle class home counties accents

Are you from north America? I have a fairly canonical middle class Dublin accent, and I've only ever been mistaken me for an Englishman by people who hailed from the USA.
Regarding the soundfiles, I'd bet good money that the lady who's tagged as a Finglas resident didn't grow up there.

the variation over tiny distances is pretty remarkable

^ this. I used to know a New Zealander who once remarked to me that in her homeland, everybody sounded exactly the same, regardless of where in the country they came from. She marvelled that in Ireland, every time you move a couple of miles, people seem to sound completely different.

big difference between a flat low tipperary and slightly whiney limerick accent even

Bah. For "mistaken me for", read "mistaken for".

that's a good solid mayo accent, 'yard' in particular would peg him as rural castlebar area tbh

yerman from connemara couldn't give fuck uimhir a h-áon tbh

limerick (and i'm not picking fights my limerick ppl) is an awful accent)

this would work a lot better, i think, were it a coherent paragraph with longer sentences- no flow to it, which really takes away from the music of idk kerry, cork and donegal accents

i agree, the limerick accent is awful

thankfully i dont have one

lol now i look at it, they didn't even bother with midlands- otm

the mid-ulster one is p much donegal again? v much what dmac sounded like in 1994 fwiw, more so than the actual donegal one. best accent obv.

drogheda would rival limerick if it weren't so comical, i mean how do you talk like that naturally.

dublin 1 d14

dublin 2 more d4

v much the oar tee ee one that

cork accent is the best tbh. waterford accent is probably worse than a limerick accent

im very excited to know what darragh sounds like

hmm they've pulled out of the dublin one a bit? there no reeeeeel dubs in it imo