The Irish

i think you need to see this darragh really, it's ludicrously out of touch.

withholding judgement until i found out whether they open their set with "Lillibullero"

i mean if the clip is half as ugly, stupid, grotesque and embarrassing for one minute as pat shortt's entire, million-making career has been then i'll frankly be impressed

it is uglier because they're english... not sure how you don't see this.

xp yeah fair enough ronan i'll obv need to watch it i'm just blowing shite around it- the usual tbh!

i know the 'it's because they're english' line and recognise the general gist, i don't think it's either absolute and above question

Pat Shortt is a culchie mocking culchies & culchieisms for culchies, and is not to the taste of everyone. Not sure how it's even comparable.

x-post there's a difference between a person from a race poking fun at known stereotypes amongst his compatriots and a person who isn't a member of the race mocking nothing but obvious signifiers of the race.

i suppose chris rock is racist now too?

but just watch it ffs before commenting any further

xp bit more Geldof, no? But it was clearly aimed to be countryfolk I think.

― gyac, Wednesday, April 18, 2012 10:45 AM (14 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Hard to tell given how badly it's done, but it was def some sort of Dub accent. Not going to watch again though.

it's just that modern standard of a British person doing an Irish accent, which does tend to be Dublin now.

tragically enough, it seems to be an advertisement for a gig in Galway

Mumford and Sons series of 'Gentlemen of the Road Stopover...' shows this summer purposely visit centres off the beaten track of international touring. 'We want to stop off in towns not usually heavily toured by bands, and celebrate the people, food and music that inhabit them,' says the band who promise 'a whole lot of fun'.

If you look at the Youtube video comments, it was circulated privately 4 days ago with insiders or whoever, none of whom saw a problem. Insular little circles lead to this kind of shit as much as anything.

Yeah, most bands from normal backgrounds would probably have someone to slap the fuck out of them for putting something so stupid together.

I volunteer!

it is strangely, bizarrely, incredibly unfunny and uninteresting - 2 minutes long and you just want it to stop the whole time.

eh i've said a few times that i'm more commenting on the irish chip on shoulder and what we'll happily tolerate from millionaire ignoramus shortt vs millionaire ignoramus tory brits as opposed to commenting on the video itself, you shirty fuckin paddy

and speaking as a culchie, pat shortt's no fuckin chris rock

my "ffs" wasn't shirty, and don't call me paddy, mick.

o u didn't

Again with the false assumption about Pat Shortt - I fucking hate the guy & so do a lot of people. But he's one of us, not some sneering outsider.

agree that pat shortt is just fucking awful, but our lack of self regard is at best sad, whereas total ignorance from outsiders is a clear cause for annoyance.

x-post yeah it's pretty simple for me.

The feeling I get when Killinaskully comes on when the boyfriend is over with me is quite similar to how I feel when Jackie Healy-Rae was on BBC news. I cringe.

Also there's a bit of historical context for the English mocking the Irish. If it were idk the Germans I'd be more likely to laugh back at them.

he's not one of me, i don't know who's making the false assumption there tbh

you're not Irish?

i decidedly am, i'm surely not one of whatever pat shortt encapsulates, tks

there's no real argument that can get you around the fact that it's obv worse for someone not of a country/creed/race to mock that country/creed/race

well I thought us vs outsiders was perfectly clear but obviously not.

I totally get that English people should stay the hell away from doing stupid indefensible nonsense like that video. Reading this thread, I'm wondering if it's specifically the English (which is the word people are using) or whether the offence would be as bad if it were Scots or Welsh people doing it? Just idly wondering, really.

not while i'm a phone!

As i said upthread, yeah, hard and fast rule then fine, grand. But there's degrees of it etc

I would find it fairly bad if Scots or Welsh doing it, I just can't see that being the case though. The tone of that video is v specific to English mockery of Ireland and its traditions.

I think it's not really meant to be mockery - I think they think they are being friendly and pro-Ireland

but they just seem weirdly untalented, unfunny, stupid and boring.

I have not heard this band and this seems like a good thing
they are often described as Tories, I wonder if this is true?

btw Tory was originally an Irish term, for a C17-18 highway robber I think

those aware of their previous work will know there's nothing weird about that

I think they think they are being friendly and pro-Ireland

They think so too.

well, it's something

so wait is that a member of mumford & sons in the video?

it's a better 'irish' accent than kevin spacey's in ordinary decent criminal.

it's not very good. it doesn't really have a point. the cliches aren't even drawn on. d-.

not 'offended' or 'shocked', it's just a bad irish accent with no jokes and no point. it's a bad advert.

would you like a prize or

i don't know, i'm not the one competing in 'the disgusted' category tbh

A lot of that accent sounded like a (bad, obv) impersonation of the Ross O'Carroll-Kelly types. Though there are many shining strands of green shite woven through it, of course.

http://www.uni-due.de/IERC/index.html

idk despite the differences apparent when listened consecutively, i think i could only really parse dublin/non-dublin and ulster, the one from the southeast sounds enough like connaught accents i have heard etc

to actual irish ppl, how many regional accents could you identify? i don't think it has quite the variety of england, which is a dificult comparison due to relative size, but then as someone who has never been to scotland i can still tell glasgow from teuchter or east of scotland

How many? I can tell you if a man's father came from bunnacurry or dugort

the variation over tiny distances is pretty remarkable

maybe so but extreme localization highlights effects and mutations which cannot take place at a more regional level, like if the priest of dugort pronounces a word a certain way and everyone else in the village follows

could you tell a cork accent from a kerry one?

Definitely. I'd say the ones highlighted on that map are all fairly distinct. The midlands is a lottery

this also made apparent how much middle class dublin accents resemble middle class home counties accents

Cork and kerry lol thats not even a shared language. Carlow can be a little northern sounding, i dont pick up much accent from the south east corner, and the north (six counties) sounds much the same to me. Midlands is a melting pot but there's discernible differences p much in every county for those that know em im sure

Cant get to this atm but will try later on