The Irish

it's cool i'm sure they sincerely love the Pogues and Guinness

i might have sent this to the daily mail

oops

wtf

I don't know what you're all talking about, I thought it was HILARIOUS. I especially loved the mocking of our language and the fact it was blatantly inspired by 19th century Punch cartoons.

They've always been a shower of bedwetting Tory pricks.

xp I can only hope they use the headline Scumford & Sons.

Weird how the default laugh-at-the-Irish accent has shifted from "begorrah bejaysus" countryfolk to Bertie Ahern.

Daily Mail currently has a photo of numerous dead children on its front page, only the Mumfords could be worse.

xp bit more Geldof, no? But it was clearly aimed to be countryfolk I think.

not seen this, doubt i'll be offended tho, becos y'know we made fr ted ourselves

father ted was funny. and we LOVE mocking ourselves but that's partly because others are so bad at it, see above.

it makes Father Ted look like Synge tbh

Big difference between Ted which was made with affection by Irish people vs home counties upper class twits acting out a Punch cartoon.

c'mon, Father Ted was clearly better than Synge

rather be satirised by synge than idealised mawkishly by o'casey, but that's another debate tbf

will check it out tonight, it better be good now

Synge is great i'm just saying he was a bit more subtle in his satire than FT

When we mock ourselves it's like mocking your family - you are best placed to do it cos you know the subject, but outsiders generally shouldn't if they're just going to resort to stereotypes. Seriously, jokes about us haven't moved on since the 19th century, same old shit.

srsly doubt the intention was "mockery", he probably thinks it's an affectionate acknowledgment of how much he loves yr culture

being mocked with good natured if clumsy/misapplied affection is worse than being nailed expertly by yr own cynics, but i mean personally the line can be blurry. Again, personally, where it's coming from needn't be such a major factor all the time- general chatter here btw

i think you need to see this darragh really, it's ludicrously out of touch.

withholding judgement until i found out whether they open their set with "Lillibullero"

i mean if the clip is half as ugly, stupid, grotesque and embarrassing for one minute as pat shortt's entire, million-making career has been then i'll frankly be impressed

it is uglier because they're english... not sure how you don't see this.

xp yeah fair enough ronan i'll obv need to watch it i'm just blowing shite around it- the usual tbh!

i know the 'it's because they're english' line and recognise the general gist, i don't think it's either absolute and above question

Pat Shortt is a culchie mocking culchies & culchieisms for culchies, and is not to the taste of everyone. Not sure how it's even comparable.

x-post there's a difference between a person from a race poking fun at known stereotypes amongst his compatriots and a person who isn't a member of the race mocking nothing but obvious signifiers of the race.

i suppose chris rock is racist now too?

but just watch it ffs before commenting any further

xp bit more Geldof, no? But it was clearly aimed to be countryfolk I think.

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Hard to tell given how badly it's done, but it was def some sort of Dub accent. Not going to watch again though.

it's just that modern standard of a British person doing an Irish accent, which does tend to be Dublin now.

tragically enough, it seems to be an advertisement for a gig in Galway

Mumford and Sons series of 'Gentlemen of the Road Stopover...' shows this summer purposely visit centres off the beaten track of international touring. 'We want to stop off in towns not usually heavily toured by bands, and celebrate the people, food and music that inhabit them,' says the band who promise 'a whole lot of fun'.

If you look at the Youtube video comments, it was circulated privately 4 days ago with insiders or whoever, none of whom saw a problem. Insular little circles lead to this kind of shit as much as anything.

Yeah, most bands from normal backgrounds would probably have someone to slap the fuck out of them for putting something so stupid together.

I volunteer!

it is strangely, bizarrely, incredibly unfunny and uninteresting - 2 minutes long and you just want it to stop the whole time.

eh i've said a few times that i'm more commenting on the irish chip on shoulder and what we'll happily tolerate from millionaire ignoramus shortt vs millionaire ignoramus tory brits as opposed to commenting on the video itself, you shirty fuckin paddy

and speaking as a culchie, pat shortt's no fuckin chris rock

my "ffs" wasn't shirty, and don't call me paddy, mick.

o u didn't

Again with the false assumption about Pat Shortt - I fucking hate the guy & so do a lot of people. But he's one of us, not some sneering outsider.

agree that pat shortt is just fucking awful, but our lack of self regard is at best sad, whereas total ignorance from outsiders is a clear cause for annoyance.

x-post yeah it's pretty simple for me.

The feeling I get when Killinaskully comes on when the boyfriend is over with me is quite similar to how I feel when Jackie Healy-Rae was on BBC news. I cringe.

Also there's a bit of historical context for the English mocking the Irish. If it were idk the Germans I'd be more likely to laugh back at them.

he's not one of me, i don't know who's making the false assumption there tbh

you're not Irish?

i decidedly am, i'm surely not one of whatever pat shortt encapsulates, tks

there's no real argument that can get you around the fact that it's obv worse for someone not of a country/creed/race to mock that country/creed/race

well I thought us vs outsiders was perfectly clear but obviously not.

I totally get that English people should stay the hell away from doing stupid indefensible nonsense like that video. Reading this thread, I'm wondering if it's specifically the English (which is the word people are using) or whether the offence would be as bad if it were Scots or Welsh people doing it? Just idly wondering, really.

not while i'm a phone!

As i said upthread, yeah, hard and fast rule then fine, grand. But there's degrees of it etc

I would find it fairly bad if Scots or Welsh doing it, I just can't see that being the case though. The tone of that video is v specific to English mockery of Ireland and its traditions.