maybe they'll put george clooney in it
― A Little Princess btw (s1ocki), Tuesday, 17 April 2012 22:39 (twelve years ago) link
I'm not sexist I'm sexy
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Tuesday, 17 April 2012 22:40 (twelve years ago) link
also hate women, conceptually
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Tuesday, 17 April 2012 22:41 (twelve years ago) link
Dunham's said she's gonna work on having more nonwhite characters in the 2nd season btw
aren't there only like four characters on this show? did anyone ever make this complaint about seinfeld?
― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Wednesday, 18 April 2012 00:01 (twelve years ago) link
im sure someone did
― johnny crunch, Wednesday, 18 April 2012 00:07 (twelve years ago) link
None of the characters in Seinfeld were likeable enough for it to be a problem.
― Popture, Wednesday, 18 April 2012 00:13 (twelve years ago) link
a few little thoughts/anecdotes/responses:
1. I wasn't particularly fond of this first episode for the reasons stated above. I found it to be somewhat...true in its mundanity, but not particularly funny. And Lena is very funny. Evidenced by...
2. A discussion we had almost five years ago where she flat-out said to me in a room full of people, "You know, [boyfriend at the time] and I tried anal, and I just felt like I was going to poop on him the entire time, it was so uncomfortable, I admire you gay men." Which obviously is really really funny. We both just started laughing because of how ridiculous it was. Many more where that came from.
I think that this is what some people find redeeming about her humor— it thrives on and plays off of the stupidity and absurdity of a young person's thoughts and misconceptions and mistakes in a way that is relatable. The eating stuff is there because guess what? The awkwardness of eating certain foods (or eating foods in non-food-related spaces) is always funny. That's like a lesson from comedy school.
3. yeah these people are definitely like "young professionals," i can't really imagine how this world intersects with table's tbh
― judith, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 16:42 (7 hours ago) Permalink
a) we went to college together, and were fast friends. one of lena's best childhood friends is one of my all-time best friends (who ilxor elan dated for a while there), and so it goes.b) her dad was one of the rich kids at the prep school where my dad went for free because his dad worked there. they knew each other, i have a really funny picture of the four of us at graduation. (everyone was drunk).c) many many many of my friends from college are not people i would become friends with today if we met today...however, our shared experiences both in and out of school have made the relationships last despite my obvious misgivings about the 'life choices' or inclinations of those friends. the same goes for them— a lot of them think i'm totally insane, but they also know that i will always have their backs and i know that they will have mine, so whatever.
― Sophomore subs are the new Smith lesbians. (the table is the table), Wednesday, 18 April 2012 00:24 (twelve years ago) link
I liked it
― A Little Princess btw (s1ocki), Wednesday, 18 April 2012 00:33 (twelve years ago) link
ppl always made nonwhite complaint about Woody Allen movies -- c'mon, he didn't even hang out w/ that many Gentiles. I remember after one heavy year of it his new film opened with a club/restaurant scene (maybe Elaine's) prominently featuring black extras.
― World Congress of Itch (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 18 April 2012 01:26 (twelve years ago) link
woody allen was kind of a dick about that criticism iirc
― horseshoe, Wednesday, 18 April 2012 01:28 (twelve years ago) link
also he cast a black woman as a prostitute in deconstructing harry, so it's all good
― horseshoe, Wednesday, 18 April 2012 01:29 (twelve years ago) link
table, are those Lena's actual personal tattoos?
― raw feel vegan (silby), Wednesday, 18 April 2012 01:29 (twelve years ago) link
also he cast a black woman as J Edgar Hoover in Bananas
― World Congress of Itch (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 18 April 2012 01:30 (twelve years ago) link
I guess I could just try to find a photograph of her arm in 'real life"
― raw feel vegan (silby), Wednesday, 18 April 2012 01:31 (twelve years ago) link
solved my own problem
btw thx for the Rashida Jones info; I was wondering why this very lovely woman w/ minimal talent keeps popping up in comedy films
― World Congress of Itch (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 18 April 2012 01:33 (twelve years ago) link
she's also on TELEVISION
― raw feel vegan (silby), Wednesday, 18 April 2012 01:33 (twelve years ago) link
well i wouldn't know.
― World Congress of Itch (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 18 April 2012 01:34 (twelve years ago) link
hence the ironic capitals
― raw feel vegan (silby), Wednesday, 18 April 2012 01:38 (twelve years ago) link
you really think she gets roles in comedy films because she's quincy jones' daughter? i mean im sure that got her foot in the door but also p sure that's not how casting works
― A Little Princess btw (s1ocki), Wednesday, 18 April 2012 01:39 (twelve years ago) link
Yeah, maybe that got her a start (in Freaks & Geeks, right?), and maybe her fame/wealth gave her the luxury of auditions and stuff with no concern for food/rent, etc., but I assume she's been doing fine on her own since then. I mean, it's not Tori Spelling situation. Rashida Jones at least has some modicum of talent, or at least feel for comedic timing.
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 18 April 2012 01:44 (twelve years ago) link
― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Tuesday, April 17, 2012 8:01 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark
not as much as they did about Friends, seinfeld had a fair number of nonwhite supporting players, there's clearly more than 4 characters on Girls because if it didnt i would be hearing about this crazy avant-garde show about a new york with a population of 4 people
― these pretzels are makeing me horney (Hungry4Ass), Wednesday, 18 April 2012 01:53 (twelve years ago) link
those are her real tats, yes.
― Sophomore subs are the new Smith lesbians. (the table is the table), Wednesday, 18 April 2012 02:02 (twelve years ago) link
man idk about this. it was ok but pretty bleak, yeah. i have an overactive cringe reflex so it wasn't really enjoyable viewing. i guess i liked ms williams the best? lol bourgie, sue me. the guy playing her hapless boyfriend was a champ.
― goole, Wednesday, 18 April 2012 03:29 (twelve years ago) link
I watched a bit of this on youtube, and I think if it were a bunch of slacker dudes (or I should say, another show about a bunch of slacker dudes) it'd be getting a pass (more or a pass?). Dunno if I blame sexism or what. I do know that the main girl reminds me a lot of Greta Gerwig in "Greenberg." This sort of passive and awkward "oh, and now this is happening to me" character.
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 18 April 2012 03:36 (twelve years ago) link
o jesus greenberg
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 18 April 2012 03:37 (twelve years ago) link
shirtless dude was pretty horrifying in basically every way I can imagine
― A Little Princess btw (s1ocki), Wednesday, 18 April 2012 03:38 (twelve years ago) link
wait I thought ppl basically liked this
― iatee, Wednesday, 18 April 2012 03:39 (twelve years ago) link
he was the only person who was enjoyably, watchably awful
i don't think i "liked" it but i don't think it was bad
― goole, Wednesday, 18 April 2012 03:40 (twelve years ago) link
ha everyone seemed like the villain characters in a romcom starring other people
― goole, Wednesday, 18 April 2012 03:41 (twelve years ago) link
hah
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 18 April 2012 03:41 (twelve years ago) link
that is an excellent premiss, you should get in touch w/ms dunham and tell her to start describing the show that way, maybe table can pass it along
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 18 April 2012 03:42 (twelve years ago) link
i liked, i guess i was bracing for something more misanthropic or horrible or something?
― A Little Princess btw (s1ocki), Wednesday, 18 April 2012 03:53 (twelve years ago) link
― goole, Tuesday, April 17, 2012 11:41 PM (11 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
lol
― horseshoe, Wednesday, 18 April 2012 03:53 (twelve years ago) link
― goole, Tuesday, April 17, 2012 11:40 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post
i don't get this though; he was the worst to watch!
― horseshoe, Wednesday, 18 April 2012 04:03 (twelve years ago) link
I just got into a long text argument with a friend about this.
I like the chemistry of Dunham and the shirtless dude. It looked like they had a history, like they give each other shit a lot. Even though he's definitely insensitive and pretentious and kind of scummy, he's also ironical about it and it's like he's being emotionally defensive as much as he's being a straight dick. His emotional distance fits her in a way. The way that not-so-fat-anymore line was directed was clever, the way it was covered up and made slightly ambiguous. There are a lot of lines in the show like that, where they're covered up by rapport and verbal chemistry and history, so that the lines fit in the characters' lives and aren't just "lines."
I like how even though she seems kind of naive, she's also always fucking with people in this impish way. She's a likable antihero.
Some parts didn't work, some of the writing was canned. I didn't mind by the end of the episode.
The domesticity of the girls' lives was convincing, too. Dunham and her skinny brunette gf pulled off the intimacy of sharing a tub without looking too cute.
Not funny, but witty and amusing. It's like the jokes are diegetic jokes, meant to work in their world but not in ours.
― bamcquern, Wednesday, 18 April 2012 04:11 (twelve years ago) link
xp my friend is a woman and she hated the sex scene so much. He has an odd face and voice.
― bamcquern, Wednesday, 18 April 2012 04:12 (twelve years ago) link
he was gross
― A Little Princess btw (s1ocki), Wednesday, 18 April 2012 04:21 (twelve years ago) link
For some reason the funniest thing to me was the hand and arm motion the Williams girls made to direct her boyfriend out of the bathroom.
― ryan, Wednesday, 18 April 2012 05:26 (twelve years ago) link
girl*
― ryan, Wednesday, 18 April 2012 05:27 (twelve years ago) link
I just watched this, liked it, don't like to judge new shows based on the pilots so will carry on watching. To me the idea of parents paying... all your bills? everything? once you've left home is just totally, totally alien. You might go live with your parents once you've left college or maybe they'd help out with rent but pay for everything? I guess it's a bit more the norm in the US? Whatever.
How on earth is the Williams girl not related to Jennifer Carpenter?? I thought I was on a roll after watching Deadwood and noticing that Cy Tolliver and one of the whores have identical faces then finding out they're father & daughter IRL...
― kinder, Wednesday, 18 April 2012 05:28 (twelve years ago) link
Not even remotely the norm.
― Kiarostami bag (milo z), Wednesday, 18 April 2012 05:43 (twelve years ago) link
im increasingly grossed out by the conflation of "degrading sex" and anal sex in this episode.
― judith, Wednesday, 18 April 2012 10:38 (twelve years ago) link
Yeah, not the norm at all. I'm an only child and was admittedly pretty spoiled but my parents would have laughed their asses off at the idea of supporting me totally after college. If I needed their help every now and they were happy to give it but they never would have just paid all my bills for me no questions asked. I do know a bunch of people who had this kind of arrangement but it's still def not the norm.
― wolf kabob (ENBB), Wednesday, 18 April 2012 10:39 (twelve years ago) link
oops x-post
I should have said couple not bunch, I think.
― wolf kabob (ENBB), Wednesday, 18 April 2012 10:44 (twelve years ago) link
i thought it was mean that they wouldn't even pay for her cell phonei liked the creepy guy. not that i liked him but that he was truly hard to watch.
― kneel aurmstrong (harbl), Wednesday, 18 April 2012 10:56 (twelve years ago) link
I just saw Ms Dunham in a bit as a nurse in Todd Haynes' Mildred Pierce
(only knew from the credits)
― World Congress of Itch (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 18 April 2012 11:32 (twelve years ago) link
haha the clingy soft bf reminded me of myself in an uncomfortable way
― max, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 17:40 (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
i'm looking forward to feeling sadly deflated by the continued poor fortunes of this guy, he came on screen & i was all well what a nice young man!. there's a bit in an interview w/LD where she talks about like, 'the nice guy versus the tough guy' or whatever, which i can't really begin to imagine the dynamics of but which might be one of the more interesting aspects of the portrayal of guys on the show. poor lil dreamboat.
― john-claude van donne (schlump), Wednesday, 18 April 2012 11:32 (twelve years ago) link
i want someone to plant small exploding morning kisses on my cheek
― john-claude van donne (schlump), Wednesday, 18 April 2012 11:33 (twelve years ago) link