GIRLS talk (the Lena Dunham thread)

i mean i dunno none of that rang false to me

picked a nice restaurant to surprise cut her off in

x-post - I didn't say you can't talk about it! Talk away. I just think it's sort of interesting that afaict no women (who have actually watched it yet) have posted about the show. I'm not saying that's necessarily significant in any way but I did notice it. nb I am going to watch it. I just forgot to the other night.

I'm not digging the whole 'it's so true and relatable' thing. I mean, the protagonist stole money from the housekeeper. In a way, this is a lot easier to deal with if you think of it as the female Eastbound & Down. Instead of joining the major leagues, this Kenny Powers is delusional about being the voice of a generation. I don't think they'll take it as broad as that though.

― Popture, Tuesday, April 17, 2012 8:08 AM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

yeah i dunno. maybe we should make a distinction between "relatable" and "recognizable" and "sympathetic" -- i felt like all the characters were recognizable at almost all times, relatable less of the time, sympathetic even less

hope the mom becomes a full arch villain & is 100% preoccupied w/ her dream lakehouse

i just think some backstory would help explain just how the situation is "loaded" and just how sympathetic the mom's anger is

― da croupier, Tuesday, April 17, 2012 9:18 AM (53 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i thought some of their ingrained family patterns were p deftly displayed sans formal backstory, like the dads babying style of parenting is dominant in the family mom wants tuff luv as she feels like the girls development has beens stunted but cant pull it off, good storytelling!

x-post - I didn't say you can't talk about it! Talk away. I just think it's sort of interesting that afaict no women (who have actually watched it yet) have posted about the show. I'm not saying that's necessarily significant in any way but I did notice it. nb I am going to watch it. I just forgot to the other night.

― wolf kabob (ENBB), Tuesday, April 17, 2012 9:22 AM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

sounds like weve got a feminazi on our hands fellas

but dad's style wasn't dominant, they cut her off, left her behind in a hotel room with $20

the mom finally got her way was how i read it

ya

ok you've invented a backstory, good for you

if you look at her character in general and particularly how she reacted to getting cut off i think the show was trying to imply that shes k spoiled

like it was saying that, it doesnt need to be all spelled out, although im sure well get more infos in future episodes

two years is like a crazzzzy long time for your parents to be supporting you after college

like i could see where croup is coming if this was like a 6 months after college conversation

i do think cutting her off cold turkey was kinda unrealistic, like she needs time to find a paying job, give her a few months

if you look upthread, i called her spoiled. i just don't know if we're supposed to take the "all time player" shit at face value, and there seems to be some serious hate there beyond "my daughter, the stunted 24-year-old intern". honestly, any other actress in the role and I'd just take the mom was a cartoon plot device.

feels more like a convenient plot device than a thing that wouldve actually gone down like that

that's true

the mom obvs has some issues of her own, i mean her husband is a professor w/an earring, shes had a tough life, not that that justifies her callous behavior

well also they are setting her up to...move home? in a week

yep

maybe she could have gotten them to relent and support her for a few months but she actually asked for 1100 a month for two years or whatever, which I guess was the final straw for the mother

the overall family portrait was i think none of them are particularly strong people, theyre not horrible but just a bit adrift

haha this argument is getting kinda silly, i guess i sorta see where croup is coming from but while i was watching i didnt feel "oh man this is unrealistic" at all, mostly i felt sympathetic to her parents, i cant say my mom wouldnt have flipped out in a selfish way if i showed up to her hotel room late at night pretend-stoned on opium tea and demanded that she read my memoir

i didn't say "this is unrealistic" i said "what the fuck is the deal here, this mom hates her"

i definitely didnt see 'serious hate' -- i felt like her and her mom had a difficult relationship but a lot of ppl do w/ their moms

the mom sort of hates her, as will all of us as the show progresses i suspect

i cant say my mom wouldnt have flipped out in a selfish way if i showed up to her hotel room late at night pretend-stoned on opium tea and demanded that she read my memoir

― max, Tuesday, April 17, 2012 9:39 AM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

lol

That showing up pretend-stoned in the parent's hotel room didn't seem like it was out of desperation but more a different kind of wish fulfilment. Like, look at me, i'm going to choose to do this faux-outrageous thing so I seem interesting and have something fun to tweet about in the morning. There's probably going to be a lot of that in this show.

also the english her who she admires told her to do it

yeah if there is an unrealistic character it's the english

there are NO english people that good looking

ha

she was a lil bit of a caricatured type, but i lold

my main hope for this show is that it doesn't get too relationshipy and mostly goes for the lols, might be wishful thinking

i think relationships and lols will both be in short supply

ok

lots of uncomfortable hipster sex though

also was it on this thread that someone said the show was shot really poorly? i actually thought it looked really great, admittedly was watching a medium-quality file but

yeah production values definitely way up from the movie

i thought the showing up stoned was incredibly passive-aggressive, esp since at the dinner with her parents she had said that things could be a lot worse, aka she could be a drug addict. oh look, you cut me off, i'm a drug addict now.

i thought the movie was shot pretty well too, same (young) cinematographer iirc

one thing the show has that the movie didnt is extras

okay, i thought it was slightly disappointing, but probably that's mostly attributable to being a pilot. the world of the show didn't gel for me completely, and even though a lot of the writing was sharp, i didn't laugh that much. hannah's relationship with her best friend was my favorite thing so far; they seem better-written than everyone else. except for the sadsack boyfriend who i sort of love.

i didn't think the mom was that horrible! the only moment that seemed unnecessarily mean was the "no. more. mon.ey." moment in the restaurant, but otherwise i could see where she was coming from.

also, is that all the eigeman we're going to get???

two years is like a crazzzzy long time for your parents to be supporting you after college

rrrrreally

I think that is subject to a whole host of factors

the mom sort of hates her, as will all of us as the show progresses i suspect

― lag∞n, Tuesday, April 17, 2012 9:41 AM (46 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

ha, i wanted not to hate her, and i was prepared for her to steal the housekeeping tip at her parents' hotel room, but when she was defending charlotte to her best friend, and the friend was like, she slept with x's boyfriend! and hannah was like she didn't sleep with your boyfriend! i was like, really? ugh.

also i wish there were some non-whites but what are you going to do. i guess there was Joy Lin for a moment.

the whiteness of the cast bugs me a lot