GIRLS talk (the Lena Dunham thread)

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and then i was like naw thats just some white castle

lag∞n, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 04:02 (twelve years ago) link

I said "I'm sick of this bullshit I can't believe you lent me wonder boys"

puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Tuesday, 17 April 2012 04:04 (twelve years ago) link

because I was really sad about some shit and he came by and dropped off that terrrrible movie so I would have soem sort of light diversion

puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Tuesday, 17 April 2012 04:04 (twelve years ago) link

sometimes i think your posts should be in comic book thought bubbles

A Little Princess btw (s1ocki), Tuesday, 17 April 2012 04:06 (twelve years ago) link

webcomics i'd think

stay in school if you want to kiw (Gukbe), Tuesday, 17 April 2012 04:09 (twelve years ago) link

BOYS

puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Tuesday, 17 April 2012 04:10 (twelve years ago) link

I said "I'm sick of this bullshit I can't believe you lent me wonder boys"

― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Tuesday, April 17, 2012 12:04 AM (6 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

lol

lag∞n, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 04:11 (twelve years ago) link

the 'rich white new yorker' criticism bugs me.

stay in school if you want to kiw (Gukbe), Tuesday, 17 April 2012 04:15 (twelve years ago) link

i think some of the ways she's shot eating food (the spaghetti with her parents + the cupcake in the bathtub immediately come to mind) and the sex scene were particularly degrading

that is kinda the point. i don't think it really needs punchlines. this maybe corroborates anyone who's saying that she's just preaching to the choir, but it's sorta enough that she's just rendering general shitty experiences; a lot of tiny furniture was about confronting and frustrating our ideas of how it should pan out & how it actually does play out, her fucking over her nice friend, her making bad but appealing decisions, just the slow undramatic unwinding of things.

i thought this was great!, anyway. i like the beeswax guy talking about mcdonalds, he is really honing a kind of irresistable-charming-asshole typecasting thing.

john-claude van donne (schlump), Tuesday, 17 April 2012 09:55 (twelve years ago) link

should have been father-and-stepmother. the mom made no sense

― fart bucket (toandos), Monday, April 16, 2012 2:08 AM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

rofl, "mom was too mean, she should have been a stepmom, then it wouldve made sense"

max, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 11:14 (twelve years ago) link

maybe its just b/c we just did the big poll but i kept thinking about paul simons nyc when i was watching this, way more than louis ck's

max, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 11:18 (twelve years ago) link

also table in the table, you are a treasure on these boards, never leave

max, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 11:18 (twelve years ago) link

anyway, did not get the bitter and cruel and angry vibe from this at all, enjoyed it for sure, found it recognizable and funny, definitely not perfect and is sort of 'problematic' for a number of reasons but would recommend

max, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 11:22 (twelve years ago) link

yeah this is a fun/funny show and I liked it. it also still just kinda tickles at my class warrior itch, but I guess a lot of stuff does that, including a lot of real life.

lou reed scott walker monks niagra (chinavision!), Tuesday, 17 April 2012 11:38 (twelve years ago) link

I'm not digging the whole 'it's so true and relatable' thing. I mean, the protagonist stole money from the housekeeper. In a way, this is a lot easier to deal with if you think of it as the female Eastbound & Down. Instead of joining the major leagues, this Kenny Powers is delusional about being the voice of a generation. I don't think they'll take it as broad as that though.

Popture, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 12:08 (twelve years ago) link

"mom was too mean, she should have been a stepmom, then it wouldve made sense"

while we'd still be dealing with monstrous caricatures, it would make a bit more sense for a woman to be screaming about how she deserves a lake house if maybe the girl lying half-conscious on the floor wasn't raised by her. either way, people are really just asking for some backstory to explain why the "tough love" dunham is getting seems so contemptuous.

da croupier, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 12:10 (twelve years ago) link

it kind of reminds me of that new "bff" show in that the half-hour format might be a little limiting. it asks us to get emotionally involved with character reality while indulging in broad cliches to move things along. We've got the lead's eating and fucking in stark indie-vision, but everyone who affects her life is a parody of a person.

da croupier, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 12:21 (twelve years ago) link

yeah the episode felt shockingly short at a half hour.

lou reed scott walker monks niagra (chinavision!), Tuesday, 17 April 2012 12:30 (twelve years ago) link

oh god it'd be a nightmare as a 60-minute show, better too little than too much

some dude, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 12:48 (twelve years ago) link

kind of amazed judd "146-minute theatrical cut" apatow settled for that, actually

some dude, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 12:49 (twelve years ago) link

oh the old james l bridges understood how TV works even after he started making mammoth dramedies

da croupier, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 12:52 (twelve years ago) link

lovechild of james l. brooks and jeff bridges?

some dude, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 12:57 (twelve years ago) link

lol

da croupier, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 13:02 (twelve years ago) link

I would have enjoyed it at an hour I think. a longer show would allow it to stretch out and escape nightmare territory maybe? modulate tone a bit?

lou reed scott walker monks niagra (chinavision!), Tuesday, 17 April 2012 13:03 (twelve years ago) link

people are really just asking for some backstory to explain why the "tough love" dunham is getting seems so contemptuous.

― da croupier, Tuesday, April 17, 2012 8:10 AM (53 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

asking her to get a job, what nazis

lag∞n, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 13:07 (twelve years ago) link

i mean she was not actually half conscious, as the mom said 'youre getting played by an all time player here' was the whole point, the tea wasnt knocking her out, her desperation to not get cut off was

lag∞n, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 13:09 (twelve years ago) link

i think its weird a parent would announce half-way through the dinner she was cutting off her child immediately with a nagging "no more money". ymmv

da croupier, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 13:10 (twelve years ago) link

a lil grace period prob wouldve been wise but obvs the situation was already pretty loaded

lag∞n, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 13:12 (twelve years ago) link

and you're really ignoring the "i deserve a lake house" meltdown

da croupier, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 13:13 (twelve years ago) link

i realized like an hour after watching the show that the mother is the mom from freaks + geeks, right?

Mordy, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 13:15 (twelve years ago) link

There sure are a lot of boys on the Girls thread.

wolf kabob (ENBB), Tuesday, 17 April 2012 13:15 (twelve years ago) link

and, uh, pretty much every other thread. it happens.

some dude, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 13:15 (twelve years ago) link

I know, I know. Still.

wolf kabob (ENBB), Tuesday, 17 April 2012 13:17 (twelve years ago) link

she wants to use her hard earned money to sit on her ass at the lake, her daughter is being a manipulative lil monster and her husband is falling for it for the millionth time so she melts down a lil bit, no one behaved v well but it still ranks p low on the scale of family disfunction

lag∞n, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 13:17 (twelve years ago) link

obvs aside, i just think some backstory would help explain just how the situation is "loaded" and just how sympathetic the mom's anger is (though i know plenty of people who were just glad to watch a spoiled 24-year-old get shit on, even if it was by the presumable spoiler)

will admit having the freaks & geeks mom in this role made it more wtf for me

da croupier, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 13:18 (twelve years ago) link

There sure are a lot of boys on the Girls thread.

― wolf kabob (ENBB), Tuesday, April 17, 2012 9:15 AM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

oh i thought this was the title of the show not an instruction on who should talk abt it, excuuuuse me

lag∞n, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 13:19 (twelve years ago) link

pretty sure the "backstory" is that her parents have been supporting her in nyc for two years while she writes her memoir

max, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 13:20 (twelve years ago) link

i mean i dunno none of that rang false to me

max, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 13:21 (twelve years ago) link

picked a nice restaurant to surprise cut her off in

da croupier, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 13:21 (twelve years ago) link

x-post - I didn't say you can't talk about it! Talk away. I just think it's sort of interesting that afaict no women (who have actually watched it yet) have posted about the show. I'm not saying that's necessarily significant in any way but I did notice it. nb I am going to watch it. I just forgot to the other night.

wolf kabob (ENBB), Tuesday, 17 April 2012 13:22 (twelve years ago) link

I'm not digging the whole 'it's so true and relatable' thing. I mean, the protagonist stole money from the housekeeper. In a way, this is a lot easier to deal with if you think of it as the female Eastbound & Down. Instead of joining the major leagues, this Kenny Powers is delusional about being the voice of a generation. I don't think they'll take it as broad as that though.

― Popture, Tuesday, April 17, 2012 8:08 AM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

yeah i dunno. maybe we should make a distinction between "relatable" and "recognizable" and "sympathetic" -- i felt like all the characters were recognizable at almost all times, relatable less of the time, sympathetic even less

max, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 13:22 (twelve years ago) link

hope the mom becomes a full arch villain & is 100% preoccupied w/ her dream lakehouse

johnny crunch, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 13:24 (twelve years ago) link

i just think some backstory would help explain just how the situation is "loaded" and just how sympathetic the mom's anger is

― da croupier, Tuesday, April 17, 2012 9:18 AM (53 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i thought some of their ingrained family patterns were p deftly displayed sans formal backstory, like the dads babying style of parenting is dominant in the family mom wants tuff luv as she feels like the girls development has beens stunted but cant pull it off, good storytelling!

lag∞n, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 13:24 (twelve years ago) link

x-post - I didn't say you can't talk about it! Talk away. I just think it's sort of interesting that afaict no women (who have actually watched it yet) have posted about the show. I'm not saying that's necessarily significant in any way but I did notice it. nb I am going to watch it. I just forgot to the other night.

― wolf kabob (ENBB), Tuesday, April 17, 2012 9:22 AM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

sounds like weve got a feminazi on our hands fellas

lag∞n, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 13:25 (twelve years ago) link

but dad's style wasn't dominant, they cut her off, left her behind in a hotel room with $20

da croupier, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 13:25 (twelve years ago) link

the mom finally got her way was how i read it

lag∞n, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 13:26 (twelve years ago) link

ya

max, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 13:26 (twelve years ago) link

ok you've invented a backstory, good for you

da croupier, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 13:26 (twelve years ago) link

if you look at her character in general and particularly how she reacted to getting cut off i think the show was trying to imply that shes k spoiled

lag∞n, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 13:28 (twelve years ago) link

like it was saying that, it doesnt need to be all spelled out, although im sure well get more infos in future episodes

lag∞n, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 13:28 (twelve years ago) link


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