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As extinct as the Irish Elk. That's island fauna for you.

(We now resume our regularly scheduled racism.)

Aimless, Sunday, 15 April 2012 21:03 (twelve years ago) link

I've raised this once already, and if no one thinks it's worth pursuing this time, I'll give up on the idea, and harp on about it no longer. But I honestly don't see why the left couldn't justifiably claim a third National Review scalp - and a far more prominent one at that than the crank John Derbyshire ever was; this one being the key conservative advocate of a war against Islam, and the close pal of Rush Limbaugh - Andy McCarthy; and at the same time deal a devastating blow, given that the most 'distinguished' figure would be shockingly the third sacked for racist associationgs.

Would this not be a viable goal, purely on the basis of Andy McCarthy's 5 year's of friendly correspondence with Lawrence Auster who runs the virulently racist site View from the Right; correspondence which he frequently gave permission to be published on said site.

Previously I gave no examples of this correspondence. Here's one I found using google, but I know for sure there are many more:

http://www.amnation.com/vfr/archives/020887.html

And here's a brief selection of articles that have featured on View From the Right during that period:

http://www.amnation.com/vfr/archives/011093.html

http://www.amnation.com/vfr/archives/011157.html

http://www.amnation.com/vfr/archives/011160.html

http://www.amnation.com/vfr/archives/022187.html

pro-BNP article:

http://www.amnation.com/vfr/archives/013095.html

There are so many more where these came from, many far worse, I just couldn't be bothered dredging through the mud to find them. The above was the result of 5 mins googling. Am I foolishly optimistic for thinking Max (or others who read this site) could really make something of this?

Campari G&T, Sunday, 15 April 2012 21:54 (twelve years ago) link

btw, my personal interest in this is an attempt to continue the good work of this guy:
http://undercoverblackman.blogspot.co.uk/

Campari G&T, Sunday, 15 April 2012 22:02 (twelve years ago) link

it's disgusting that anyone would publicly associate w auster/VftR, but the association itself doesn't seem like much of a smoking gun, imo. especially given that "andy mccarthy" is an unfamiliar name to most (shameful as that fact may be).

BEMORE SUPER FABBY (contenderizer), Sunday, 15 April 2012 22:05 (twelve years ago) link

"it's disgusting that anyone would publicly associate w auster/VftR, but the association itself doesn't seem like much of a smoking gun, imo. especially given that "andy mccarthy" is an unfamiliar name to most (shameful as that fact may be)."

You may very well be right, but the second guy to be sacked from NRO David Weissberg, was let go for having given a speech at a (white nationalist) American Renaissance conference, even though the speech itself apparently - according to one account I read - didn't actually advocate white nationalism. Well View from the Right has on many occasions endorsed Jared Taylor/American Renaissance (most recently a Jared Taylor speech about the Trayvon Martin killing.) They've had their differences too on certain issues, key among them anti-semitism, given that Lawrence Auster is Jewish and so opposes that particular form of bigotry). But I'm not sure how Andy McCarthy's half decade long (and currently ongoing) association with a racist American Renaissance-supporting website could be judged as significantly less bad than a one-off speech at an American Renaissance conference that was deemed a sacking offense.

Campari G&T, Sunday, 15 April 2012 22:17 (twelve years ago) link

good point, and it certainly deserves more attention than it's getting

BEMORE SUPER FABBY (contenderizer), Sunday, 15 April 2012 22:19 (twelve years ago) link

I was thinking that the MOA ad could be a fake since the IOC are notoriously tetchy about anyone appropriating the rings, but hey turns out it's the official beer of New Zealand's Olympic team. Good work, New Zealand.

michael nyman cat (Merdeyeux), Sunday, 15 April 2012 22:29 (twelve years ago) link

what the

an independent online phenomenon (DJP), Tuesday, 17 April 2012 15:40 (twelve years ago) link

That is giving me the vapors. Horrified vapors.

how did I get here? why am I in the whiskey aisle? this is all so (Laurel), Tuesday, 17 April 2012 15:42 (twelve years ago) link

there aren't enough o_O 's in the world for that

heated debate over derpy hooves (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 17 April 2012 15:43 (twelve years ago) link

I don't know exactly what's going on there... the body of the cake looks like a pretty clear version of the Willendorf Venus. The head tho...

Jilly Boel and the Eltones (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 17 April 2012 15:43 (twelve years ago) link

wait

that's actually someone's head coming up through the table

an independent online phenomenon (DJP), Tuesday, 17 April 2012 15:45 (twelve years ago) link

http://karmadecay.com/r/WTF/comments/se39j/just_the_swedish_minister_of_culture_and_sports/

Makode Aj Linde, the artist who created the installation and whose head is part of the cake cut by the minister, wrote about the "genital mutilation cake" on his Facebook page.

(unable to locate said facebook page)

Touché Gödel (ledge), Tuesday, 17 April 2012 15:45 (twelve years ago) link

what the fucking fuck. How does something like that even get made?

Waterloo? Oh, we've sunsetted that. (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Tuesday, 17 April 2012 15:46 (twelve years ago) link

That's...worse that it's a real head? The photo with the torso cut open and the cake inside being red is making my head spin. The whole thing is a horror movie to me.

how did I get here? why am I in the whiskey aisle? this is all so (Laurel), Tuesday, 17 April 2012 15:47 (twelve years ago) link

okay this caption made me lol: Just a girl eating a black girl cake.

an independent online phenomenon (DJP), Tuesday, 17 April 2012 15:47 (twelve years ago) link

Aaaaahhhh! Didn't notice that or the fact that she was being fed cake of herself!

pplains, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 15:51 (twelve years ago) link

So is the artist the head?! This is fucking weird.

wolf kabob (ENBB), Tuesday, 17 April 2012 15:51 (twelve years ago) link

ahhhh shit, the teeth.

pplains, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 15:51 (twelve years ago) link

artist's page does not dispel the clouds of wtf

https://www.facebook.com/pages/Makode-Linde/92718443762

Touché Gödel (ledge), Tuesday, 17 April 2012 15:52 (twelve years ago) link

it's racist, it's scary, it's dehumanizing and worse yet, Tom Petty pulled it off so much better in that one video.

pplains, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 15:52 (twelve years ago) link

So a committed anti-nationalist white woman ritually circumcizes a Willendorf Veunus shaped cake made by a black gay guy for an art day. There are so many buttons to push here, my mind boggles. The aesthetics are <insert adjective here that I can't even begin to think of>

L'ennui, cette maladie de tous les (Michael White), Tuesday, 17 April 2012 15:52 (twelve years ago) link

I'm inclined to say this is not racist and just a really weird art piece that requires a lot of context to get. The Willendorf Venus + African/black artist + attempts to address issue of genital mutiliation (?) would indicate there's a good deal more going on here than meets the eye

Jilly Boel and the Eltones (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 17 April 2012 15:53 (twelve years ago) link

it is still very WTF obviously

Jilly Boel and the Eltones (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 17 April 2012 15:53 (twelve years ago) link

My brain can't reason its usual "it's okay because it's a black guy underneath that cake" argument.

pplains, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 15:54 (twelve years ago) link

I am reacting to this like it is an edible, interactive version of the Britney-giving-birth sculpture

an independent online phenomenon (DJP), Tuesday, 17 April 2012 15:55 (twelve years ago) link

…with Jeff Koons trapped inside.

pplains, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 15:55 (twelve years ago) link

I think shakey's right, certainly if you saw it by itself in an art gallery it would give you pause for thought. but when the picture is of a smiling white woman cutting into it surrounded by smiling and laughing white photographers - the o_O is overwhelming.

Touché Gödel (ledge), Tuesday, 17 April 2012 15:59 (twelve years ago) link

Yeah, which I'm assuming was, at least in part, what the artist was probably going for.

wolf kabob (ENBB), Tuesday, 17 April 2012 16:00 (twelve years ago) link

I'm kind of w/Laurel on this. Even if I give the Swedes involved the benefit of the doubt as a different culture, etc..., I still can't get over the idea of objectifying a victim whose plight one deplores into a red-centered cake.

L'ennui, cette maladie de tous les (Michael White), Tuesday, 17 April 2012 16:00 (twelve years ago) link

If it's meant to be generate publicity through shock, it's probably relatively good value for money, though

L'ennui, cette maladie de tous les (Michael White), Tuesday, 17 April 2012 16:01 (twelve years ago) link

what if the cake tastes terrible

Jilly Boel and the Eltones (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 17 April 2012 16:02 (twelve years ago) link

well, now the world is aware of genital mutilation. sort of

HE HATES THESE CANS (Austerity Ponies), Tuesday, 17 April 2012 16:03 (twelve years ago) link

no way man that red velvet stuff is the bomb

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goole, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 16:05 (twelve years ago) link

once you go red velvet, you'll never reshelve it

an independent online phenomenon (DJP), Tuesday, 17 April 2012 16:06 (twelve years ago) link

I bet that's what it is, too

L'ennui, cette maladie de tous les (Michael White), Tuesday, 17 April 2012 16:06 (twelve years ago) link

The ”maimed” corpse of an African woman has sparked an outcry in social media.

buzza, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 16:09 (twelve years ago) link

Left out the word "delicious".

pplains, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 16:12 (twelve years ago) link

did anyone else watch the video

bureaucrat swedes smiling appreciatively thru constant screaming from the cake.

goole, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 16:24 (twelve years ago) link

wait what

this is like a Monty Python sketch come to life

an independent online phenomenon (DJP), Tuesday, 17 April 2012 16:25 (twelve years ago) link

holy shit

an independent online phenomenon (DJP), Tuesday, 17 April 2012 16:26 (twelve years ago) link

it's a very long 47 seconds

goole, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 16:31 (twelve years ago) link

The screaming and what she whispered to him make this quite surreal

L'ennui, cette maladie de tous les (Michael White), Tuesday, 17 April 2012 16:32 (twelve years ago) link

IMO the video answers the "is this racist?" question but raises about a bazillion others (foremost of which is "WAHT?")

an independent online phenomenon (DJP), Tuesday, 17 April 2012 16:33 (twelve years ago) link

did not make it through all 47 seconds

same old song and placenta (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Tuesday, 17 April 2012 16:34 (twelve years ago) link

the thing is though the page we're reading the story from seems to have chosen "nig*er cake" as its own descriptive and then put it in quotes so I suspect there are some levels of Swedish politics here. OTOH I don't know how many levels it takes to get away from HOW IS THIS NOT A TERRIBLE IDEA.

same old song and placenta (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Tuesday, 17 April 2012 16:35 (twelve years ago) link

After all the many headspinning aspects of this, I am now very curious where the phrase in quotes in that first FriaTider headline came from.

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Andrew Farrell, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 16:36 (twelve years ago) link


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