Seems like people always point to NFL ratings as proof of baseball's irrelevance and demise.
Well, yeah, there are 240 regular season NFL games every year. There are 2400 regular season MLB games.
― Kiarostami bag (milo z), Saturday, 14 April 2012 18:13 (twelve years ago) link
The majority of the former on Sundays, making for perfect TV events.
There are 2400 regular season MLB games.
Part of the reason it's hard to give a fuck about the regular season. With the NFL, each week the tv audience congregates to watch a slate of games that have immediate implications toward division rankings. Nobody watches baseball on tv until the post-season because hardly any game during the regular season ever matters. Baseball (at least in the regular season) has become a sport you see played live rather than watch on tv.
― Johnny Fever, Saturday, 14 April 2012 18:16 (twelve years ago) link
Lots of people watch baseball on TV. That's why the Dodgers recently became the most valuable franchise in all of sports.
― Kiarostami bag (milo z), Saturday, 14 April 2012 18:17 (twelve years ago) link
generally, the only times i pay attention during the baseball season are the 1st and last months, and when favored teams play hated rivals (phillies v. mutts, yankees v. red suxx).
― onibaba o'reilly (Eisbaer), Saturday, 14 April 2012 18:19 (twelve years ago) link
bettman really deserves this
― High powered Texas lawyer (symsymsym), Saturday, 14 April 2012 18:20 (twelve years ago) link
I'd rather listen to baseball on the radio than watch it (in part because my local team's radio crew has always been 1000x better than its TV crew), but I find football almost unwatchable on TV. It's boring as fuck, five seconds of action followed by 40 seconds of nothing followed by 2 minutes of commercials.
― Kiarostami bag (milo z), Saturday, 14 April 2012 18:20 (twelve years ago) link
Bettman wins by default, given that it's his fault hockey is only barely a 'major' sport
― Kiarostami bag (milo z), Saturday, 14 April 2012 18:21 (twelve years ago) link
The Dodgers just got bought for $2 bil, and the woeful Padres are about to get purchased for something like 700mil. Just because you dudes don't enjoy watching regular season baseball doesn't mean people aren't watching. The Giants fans in SF are like a virus. They're everywhere! GO AWAY
― polyphonic, Saturday, 14 April 2012 18:22 (twelve years ago) link
Nobody watches baseball on tv until the post-season
Well, nobody watches every game but tons of people watch on TV. You also have to consider radio listeners, as MLB is the only sport that really works on the radio
― you can expect punches, kicks and even worse (frogbs), Saturday, 14 April 2012 18:22 (twelve years ago) link
yes yes yes
― polyphonic, Saturday, 14 April 2012 18:24 (twelve years ago) link
The Giants fans in SF are like a virus. They're everywhere! GO AWAY
lol. how dare there be fans of the hometown team?
― heated debate over derpy hooves (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Saturday, 14 April 2012 18:25 (twelve years ago) link
selig with a bullet. mlb's flourished as a business but he's a repulsive old toad who consistently makes infuriating decisions
i like stern because of his cool gangster ass 'tude.
― these pretzels are makeing me horney (Hungry4Ass), Saturday, 14 April 2012 18:26 (twelve years ago) link
I will say MLB's technology/blackout policies drive me up a fuckin' wall, I really fail to understand how blocking Youtube videos and preventing mlb.tv customers from watching their OWN TEAMS could possibly increase revenue
― you can expect punches, kicks and even worse (frogbs), Saturday, 14 April 2012 18:28 (twelve years ago) link
I find football almost unwatchable on TV. It's boring as fuck, five seconds of action followed by 40 seconds of nothing followed by 2 minutes of commercials.
― Kiarostami bag (milo z), Saturday, April 14, 2012 2:20 PM (9 minutes ago) Bookmark
go back to russia motherfucker
― these pretzels are makeing me horney (Hungry4Ass), Saturday, 14 April 2012 18:30 (twelve years ago) link
The latter seems to be hostility from decrepit old owners and the people they have TV contracts with. Regional television is where all the money comes from for now.
― Kiarostami bag (milo z), Saturday, 14 April 2012 18:30 (twelve years ago) link
the existence of mlb.tv and being able to stream it via Boxee/etc. is still miles ahead of the NFL and NBA
― Kiarostami bag (milo z), Saturday, 14 April 2012 18:31 (twelve years ago) link
I don't think Goodell is getting enough run here. The NFL would be number 1 in America with or without him. The players despise him. I guess he managed to avoid missing games this season but that lockout was ridiculous to begin with given that the league is awash in money.
― polyphonic, Saturday, 14 April 2012 18:32 (twelve years ago) link
football is the best tv sport because w/ so much going on at once you pretty much need replays
― iatee, Saturday, 14 April 2012 18:32 (twelve years ago) link
im cool with goodell after he came down hard on those cheating god damn saints. teach those animals a lesson rodge!!!!
― these pretzels are makeing me horney (Hungry4Ass), Saturday, 14 April 2012 18:34 (twelve years ago) link
poly otm, Goddell always struck me as a bully who wants the fans to believe that the only way to make the game safer is through a confusing, inconsistant system of fines and penalties that do little outside of increasing the league's revenue and baffling the players to that point where they have no idea what is a legal hit anymore
― you can expect punches, kicks and even worse (frogbs), Saturday, 14 April 2012 18:37 (twelve years ago) link
plus you got that 18-game schedule thing, christ
well his bigger problem is that there isn't really a way to make the game safer
― iatee, Saturday, 14 April 2012 18:38 (twelve years ago) link
Also the 18 game thing has been tabled for the foreseeable future.
― Johnny Fever, Saturday, 14 April 2012 18:39 (twelve years ago) link
Did the NFL player's union express an opinion about paying bounties for causing injuries? My guess is that there's no way in hell they could endorse that idea or even stay neutral on it.
― Aimless, Saturday, 14 April 2012 18:40 (twelve years ago) link
right, so what the NFL needs is more money put into pensions for retired players and research into player safety and less of this "the game is unsafe because James Harrison is a cheating monster" mentality xp
― you can expect punches, kicks and even worse (frogbs), Saturday, 14 April 2012 18:41 (twelve years ago) link
I'm not a huge Goodell fan by any means, but given that about every aspect of the NFL game today is different than it's ever been with regard to popularity, player behavior, owner behavior, coach behavior, the rushing river of $$$, media spotlight, soap operas, etc he's doing an okay job despite going in blind.
― Johnny Fever, Saturday, 14 April 2012 18:42 (twelve years ago) link
still had to listen Goddell pretend he had no idea what the difference was between a preseason game and a regular season game
― you can expect punches, kicks and even worse (frogbs), Saturday, 14 April 2012 18:43 (twelve years ago) link
― iatee, Saturday, April 14, 2012 2:38 PM (5 minutes ago) Bookmark
knee-high grass on every field. boom. safer game.
― these pretzels are makeing me horney (Hungry4Ass), Saturday, 14 April 2012 18:44 (twelve years ago) link
Oh shit, I'd watch that!
― Johnny Fever, Saturday, 14 April 2012 18:46 (twelve years ago) link
Goddell always struck me as a bully who blah blah blah blah blah blah
Quit misspelling his name please, you're making me irrationally angry.
Nobody watches baseball on tv until the post-season because hardly any game during the regular season ever matters.
This is hooey, JF -- I watch about 5-6 games a week and listen to another 3-5 on Gameday Audio or with the tv on in the background. (Working from home
― improvised explosive advice (WmC), Saturday, 14 April 2012 18:55 (twelve years ago) link
Yeah, i'll cop to that being hooey. I'm working with a very small sample size (me, my immediate family, and my own perceptions). lol
― Johnny Fever, Saturday, 14 April 2012 18:57 (twelve years ago) link
I'm enjoying the Yankees getting mashed into tomato paste right now!
― improvised explosive advice (WmC), Saturday, 14 April 2012 18:59 (twelve years ago) link
god i can't choose all of these guys are terrible
― call all destroyer, Saturday, 14 April 2012 18:59 (twelve years ago) link
stern is prob my fave for sentimental reasons but he should have hung it up a while ago
goodell seems like the worst on a personal level, like one of the few human beings i would be unwilling to have a conversation with
― call all destroyer, Saturday, 14 April 2012 19:00 (twelve years ago) link
Worst of these 3, I'd say Stern>Goodell>Selig, which is not to praise Selig at all.
― improvised explosive advice (WmC), Saturday, 14 April 2012 19:01 (twelve years ago) link
sometimes you hear fans of mlb/nba/nhl muttering darkly about conspiracies that give big-market/popular television teams an edge through officiating or whatever.
the nba is the only one i actually believe this about.
― mookieproof, Saturday, 14 April 2012 19:12 (twelve years ago) link
isn't there some evidence for this happening w/ stars? vaguely remember reading about it
― iatee, Saturday, 14 April 2012 19:13 (twelve years ago) link
I don't think it's a conspiracy, I just think Stern is happy to let officiating suck until fans start turning away from the game because of it.
― Kiarostami bag (milo z), Saturday, 14 April 2012 19:13 (twelve years ago) link
sometimes its subconscious even
― iatee, Saturday, 14 April 2012 19:14 (twelve years ago) link
favorite part of basketball games is when a star has obviously committed a foul, but one of his lesser teammates immediately raises their hand to take credit
― Kiarostami bag (milo z), Saturday, 14 April 2012 19:14 (twelve years ago) link
i don't watch much nba, but i saw game six of the kings-lakers series live in 2002.
also didn't stern once decree -- in the middle of the season -- that the first round of that year's playoffs would suddenly be best-of-7 rather than best-of-5?
― mookieproof, Saturday, 14 April 2012 19:17 (twelve years ago) link
not much Selig can do about incompetant management
― you can expect punches, kicks and even worse (frogbs), Saturday, April 14, 2012 6:03 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
they could enforce a salary floor and a salary cap. But apparently the baseball public likes the competitive imbalance (I don't necessarily disagree with them.)
― Matt Armstrong, Saturday, 14 April 2012 19:36 (twelve years ago) link
it's still amazingly balanced compared to euro sports
― iatee, Saturday, 14 April 2012 19:37 (twelve years ago) link
the NFL's competitive balance seems to have made the game bigger than ever though, so I dunno what would happen
― Matt Armstrong, Saturday, 14 April 2012 19:38 (twelve years ago) link
I have a hard time considering the NFL to be facing serious problems. Like 40 of the 50 most valuable sports franchises on earth are NFL teams. Injuries are just something people idly worry about during the 8 hours a day they're thinking about the NFL.
― Matt Armstrong, Saturday, 14 April 2012 19:40 (twelve years ago) link
a lot could change very quickly w/ lawsuits and they're 40 of the 50 most valuable spots franchises on earth because it's america's biggest sport and america has a lot of money. but more people on the planet earth know who jeremy lin is than eli manning.
― iatee, Saturday, 14 April 2012 19:43 (twelve years ago) link
venus otoh
NFL needs a Chinese-American QB
― Matt Armstrong, Saturday, 14 April 2012 19:48 (twelve years ago) link
I know it's football and all but that gif is kind of worrisome; his slip comes out of nowhere, he puts a lot pressure on his left knee and ankle and lands awkwardly on his left leg with a lot of opportunity to screw that ankle, too.
― The windiest militant trash (Michael White), Tuesday, 25 September 2012 14:40 (eleven years ago) link
http://data.whicdn.com/images/35360075/283_large.gif
― pplains, Tuesday, 25 September 2012 14:41 (eleven years ago) link
Occupy Wall Street has a Facebook post today about how the NFL debacle shows "all our issues are connected" through the hiring of scabs.
anyway, best football season ever
― kizz my hairy irish azz (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 25 September 2012 14:46 (eleven years ago) link
Haha, yeah, this happened: As NFL Referees Lockout Continues, Gov. Scott Walker Calls For Return Of Unionized Refs
― a shark with a rippling six pack (Phil D.), Tuesday, 25 September 2012 14:51 (eleven years ago) link
― The windiest militant trash (Michael White), Tuesday, September 25, 2012 10:40 AM (6 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Agree. If that guy had gotten hurt, the players probably would have seriously considering walking out until the real refs were back due to unsafe working conditions. This is a disaster waiting to happen.
― One Way Ticket on the 1277 Express (Bill Magill), Tuesday, 25 September 2012 20:49 (eleven years ago) link
I'm still kinda hoping for a players walk-out.
― heated debate over derpy hooves (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 25 September 2012 21:00 (eleven years ago) link
Pretty sure I wound up a Goodell voter.
― Kiarostami bag (milo z), Tuesday, 25 September 2012 21:05 (eleven years ago) link
Players should just start calling the game themselves like pick-up basketball.
― Kiarostami bag (milo z), Tuesday, 25 September 2012 21:06 (eleven years ago) link
At the commissioner's press conference today, he appeared caught off guard by a question from 49ers tight end Vernon Davis: Why doesn't the league take care of its former players?Goodell's scattershot answer included the notion that the healthcare benefits for current NFL players are "the best in the world." Past players? Not so much. Every NBA player who played from 2000-01 on receives some post-career benefits, and in MLB, all it takes is one day on an active roster to get lifetime coverage. But in the sport where they need it the most, NFL players (if they played three seasons) receive five years of healthcare after retirement, and then they're cut off.
Goodell's scattershot answer included the notion that the healthcare benefits for current NFL players are "the best in the world." Past players? Not so much. Every NBA player who played from 2000-01 on receives some post-career benefits, and in MLB, all it takes is one day on an active roster to get lifetime coverage. But in the sport where they need it the most, NFL players (if they played three seasons) receive five years of healthcare after retirement, and then they're cut off.
the nfl players union deserves a lot of blame for this state of affairs, but man roger goodell is a prick
― mookieproof, Saturday, 1 February 2014 19:15 (ten years ago) link
yeah i hate him way more than i hate selig
― polyphonic, Saturday, 1 February 2014 19:29 (ten years ago) link
yeah seeing goodell finish a very distant third up there just looks ridiculous now. just a complete joke of a man, almost wonder if tagliabue set goodell up to provide a long term argument to the 'he was no pete rozelle' talk he got when he retired. the problems baseball has - loss of viewers, relevance, aging of market - are things you can't really blame him for. cancelling the world series hurt the sport's popularity more than steroids but its effects were shaken off pretty quickly. stern's obv the most important historically to his sport and deserves alot of credit but should've retired years ago, there are alot of black marks on that record and most of them came in the past ten years or so.
― balls, Saturday, 1 February 2014 19:42 (ten years ago) link
Selig is a putz
― Prince Kajuku (Bill Magill), Saturday, 1 February 2014 22:05 (ten years ago) link
“If you look at the numbers, including in the Native American community, in a Native American community poll nine out of 10 supported the name. Eight out of 10 Americans in the general population would not like us to change the name. So we’re listening and being respectful for people who disagree, but let’s not forget this is the name of a football team.”
― een, Saturday, 1 February 2014 22:12 (ten years ago) link
lmao
― christmas candy bar (al leong), Saturday, 1 February 2014 22:19 (ten years ago) link
i watched the goodell thing and there was this amazing cringe comedy moment where he goes 'i can't control the weather--' and then fake snow starts coming down around him while hes giving this aint i a stinker grin
― Hungry4Ass, Saturday, 1 February 2014 22:37 (ten years ago) link
"Native American" community? Why not just say R</I>edskins community?
― pplains, Sunday, 2 February 2014 00:01 (ten years ago) link
Whoops, almost gave away the secret to that.
― pplains, Sunday, 2 February 2014 00:02 (ten years ago) link