Kraftwerk

(getting more geirian by the minute; kraftwerk will do that to ya)

o wait MP you saying you actually SAW kw in the flute-age live in the 70s? :-000

wd of course have same memories if possible, but is not.

(also I think the boing/musique/teeechnopop triptych LP side is way underratedest @ canon so to speak)

some great footage here (incl. the band dancing) and a recent interview with Flur:

whoa, really enjoyed that

I have listened to far more live recordings of 70s Kraftwerk than I have KW albums

any good recordings out there? (lots of bootlegs mentioned upthread, but most I heard were pretty skeevy sound quality)

>Their records, and their records alone, is why they are all-time in the first place, that is obvious, surely?

No, I think there's a real argument to be made for the fact that they toured these albums as a very live band. I think people who came to those shows with any pre-conceptions of electronic music being a studio-only thing had those pre-conceptions erased.

http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/krautwerk-satisfies-ticketless-kraftwerk-fans-in-brooklyn-20120411

The night's headliner was billed as Free Kitten(esque), which was the first performance in years by Kim Gordon and Julie Cafritz's Free Kitten, minus Yoshimi P-We but with the addition of Magick Markers' Pete Nolan on drums. They delivered a thumping, synth-free version of "Heavy Metal Kids," a radio session-only tune, that will not be playing at MoMA this week. Playing a song that only the most ardent fans would recognize was a fitting end to a show crafted by fans for fans.

when you cash-in on your legacy more cynically than Paul McCartney does.

― everything, Thursday, April 12, 2012 12:33 PM (4 hours ago)

McCartney hardly played any Beatles material for a long time afterward. Don't know how the incorporation of it into his live shows has been "cynical." Or anything he's done re. the Beatles, really. That strikes me as a cheap shot - and inaccurate.

I'd agree with Tim there

many of my favorite bootlegs are fairly lo-fi room recordings, but here are some of the ones that are radio / TV or at least mix the board in a bit with the room:

K4 - (live june 12, 1971)
!/2 - (compilation of WDR TV performances) - these first two are mostly Kraftneu, more Krautrock than not
19750520 - Concert Classics
19760228 - Somewhere In Europe
19810907 - Virtu ex Machina aka Nippon Numbers
19980607 - Warfield San Francisco (this is just barely a board recording, but it does have at least a bit of bass, some people prefer the Tribal Gathering boot anyway for energy)

Thanks for the recommendations Milton - these are great

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YknvWkvLjGQ

yeah, i've been obsessed with that boot, the version of "Autobahn" is really cool

Yeah I agree, this is fantastic

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sIKR0z87jH8

Whew. Lot's to wade through here but the idea of these shows as more of a museum piece is dead on correct. Seeing last night's show 8 can attest to it. It's the whole package, the setting, the presentation, the concept. Unless you were there it's pretty tough to get the entire feeling of the proceedings. And as much as I would have loved seeing them jamming "Ruckzuck" in 1971, the Radio-Activity show was special in it's own way. Just wish it had been a tad bit louder.

I thought this was funny.
http://www.hipsterrunoff.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/800/fran-drescher-kraftwerk.jpg

http://hipsterrunoff.com/altreport/2012/04/fran-drescher-goes-see-kraftwerk-ruins-vibe-her-annoying-voice.html

Yeah those wonderful Tokyo recordings really show how different they sound nowadays, if you listen back to back with say, the "minimum-maximum" versions.

Re. bootlegs, one show I was at was the Glasgow show in Nov 1991 and there is an audio boot of it out there. However, there was a big deal at the time of how the show was being transmitted via the internet to, IIRC, two or three European cities - maybe Paris and somewhere in Germany. This was pretty groundbreaking at the time. I can't really remember the details very clearly though. There were crowds at these cities who had paid to watch the show in real time and I think we were shown live pictures of the other audiences during the show (I might be imagining that). Anyway, this makes me think that there must be video of that show somewhere. Anyone know anything about that?

can anyone hook a dude up with the WDR TV bootleg? i know i've seen a lot of this on youtube, but would like to get the audio...

ol' Franny's a Kraftwerk fan? *makes high pitched nasal sound*

first 'Europe Endless' since 1976 (or perhaps 1981)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oZGgmL5CSfo

and they pretty much cloned it. except for Ralf's characteristic occasional stray note.

the other unique songs from TEE posted by user citybug: http://www.youtube.com/user/citybug

Franz Schubert and Endless Endless were left off much like Geiger Counter was in the Radioactivity night.

KRAFTWERK SETLIST 4/11/12
The Robots
Radioactivity
Radioland
Airwaves
Intersmission
News
The Voice Of Energy
Antenna
Radio Stars
Uranium
Transistor
Ohm Sweet Ohm
Autobahn
Trans Europe Express
The Model
The Man-Machine
Numbers
Computer World
Home Computer
Tour de France
Planet Of Visions
Medley: Boing Boom Tschak, Technopop, Musique Non Stop

http://www.brooklynvegan.com/archives/2012/04/kraftwerk_playe_1.html

that was the show I wished I could attend the most. would absolutely love to hear "Radioland", "Airwaves", and "Antenna" live. Mostly because they'd never play 'em otherwise!

Franz Schubert and Endless Endless were left off much like Geiger Counter was in the Radioactivity night.

this really sucks - FS is one of the most beautiful things in their whole catalogue

yes, that would have been an interesting piece to update. maybe ralf wasn't feeling up to taking that long of a keyboard solo. they also left out the 'Metal On Metal' breakdown in TEE, though they played it the previous night.

'Hall of Mirrors' leads with samples from the studio version. 'Showroom Dummies', also largely cloned. except they end it with a bit of the riff from 'Mitternacht', which is fun as live versions of 'Mitternacht' from 74 & 75 would usually start out with a jam using the riff that turned into 'Showroom Dummies'.

hope someone managed to capture all the other tracks from 'Radioactivity', that was the night with the most songs they've never played live before.

>Their records, and their records alone, is why they are all-time in the first place, that is obvious, surely?

No, I think there's a real argument to be made for the fact that they toured these albums as a very live band. I think people who came to those shows with any pre-conceptions of electronic music being a studio-only thing had those pre-conceptions erased.

Fair enough, I guess? Our disagreement here may have to do mostly with location -- Oslo/Norway is an obvious stop for bands of a certain size (and a couple of sizes below) these days with the festivals and all, but even in my living memory it wasn't like that. I've heard legends the Sex Pistols actually played here once in a small room. People are still talking about when Miles Davis played at Sardine's in 1985 or something. The same year, the Waterboys' gig was a highpoint for rock ppl in this country. The Rolling Stones FAMOUSLY played here -- once! -- in 1965, and I'm not sure they ever came back until 1989. The Beatles never played here, certainly not after the Stones did. (OK lame joke.)

And most of the world is backwaters like that, I'd think. Maybe I'll have a look for kw tour schedules of the 70s, but gut feeling is that classic records become classic records because the records are classic, nothing more.

they weren't the only touring electronic band, but unlike Tangerine Dream & Klaus Schulze hunched down behind consoles & barely visible behind fog-machines, my friends who saw them in 75 & 81 both mentioned that with Kraftwerk, every sound you heard had a gesture attached to it; you could see what they were playing. in the 70's, even the people who knew what electronic music was thought of it as inherently studio-only; they expected those concerts to be tape playback. But no; two percussionists driving everything, so you can't underestimate the influence of those concerts.

the show still has aspects of live performance, but it's like the difference between a cyclist and a jet pilot

sideways but full-length 'autobahn'

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WNnXE0JQe1c

Aye mp; I'm not saying your take is wrong, just... alien to me somehow. Invoking the live shows of Tangerine Dream and/or K Schulze... maybe *they* played Oslo some time back in the 70s, but I wouldn't bank on it. (I would of course be srsly underage at that time anyway, so ah I dunno...)

(liking that last video obv though -- cgi of vw beetle fahrend along like whoosh hurrah! :-D My grandmother finally got a driver's licence at about the age of 60; bought a bright orange beetle. I can still remember the registration number, and the plastic hole pattern in the ceiling inside made me see 3d; the grandmother mentioned rounded 96 just now btw. OK, *now* I'm babbling.)

So,

The 12345678 boxset is getting 're-issued' in black box with LP style little sleeves, for twice the price of the existing box.

Just so's you know..

It's numbered - just 2000 copies!

mmm...

Indeed.

See, you can still get the 'original' box with a full set of mouse-mats and a t-shirt for the same price (if not cheaper) as this new box, off the 'klingklang' site (which doesn't have the new box).

Well, Amazon has it at £64

We shall see....

the old boxset already had LP style little sleeves

So, the only difference is the number and the colour of the box?

Ralf speaks to the NYT. Usual talk of 'we're working all the time ... new album soon'. Still a fun read

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dSMtq8xPoRM

that video up there captures the high point of the show for me. Person filming it was, apparently, very near me. Background projections were really something on this one with the 3D specs.

looks like Uranium & Transistor were just straight-up playback of the album, but that's the slowest, most stately 'Ohm Sweet Ohm' ever

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wow!

*calls her*

Insult to injury

Well, Amazon has it at £64

We shall see....

― Mark G, Monday, 16 April 2012 11:06 (3 days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Amm See-ing it right nowwwww!!!!!!!

ARGH"!

First twenty minutes of the Computer World show: http://soundcloud.com/ryanjonik/kraftwerk-new-york-moma-computer-world

"Computer Love" from this is, as they say, my jam.

i'm sorry, but i'm afraid that "computer love" is my jam. even started a thread about it once. you're gonna have to get another one.

i don't make the rules, i just follow them...

oh wait, i started a thread about the transition from "numbers" to "computer world 2", and how it is the greatest moment of all time. ok, "computer love" can be your jam, then. :)

Holy shit @ that new Computer Love arrangement - Hütter's been struck by Lindstrøm's "I Feel Space" (who hasn't)..

(song starts at 15:08 in that soundcloud link)

http://www.redbullmusicacademy.com/magazine/egyptian-lover-rftf

added 'fukushima' to the list of failures for the Japan show.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IWsQgmq-fNs&feature=player_embedded