rolling "Is This Racist?" thread

Jay 2 comments collapsed Collapse Expand
Why, thank you for that vital piece of information on how I should behave myself in a restaurant BUT I'm already aware that if you treat people with respect they will (should) treat you with respect. BUT thats not what my comment said. It said, "Because a waiter has had a bad experience with a black party, it is okay for them to give me poor service?" MEANING, they approach me with a pissy attitude first, simply because they THINK that I'm going to be rude and arrogant all because of an experience they had with another person who happens to be the same color as me. Your comment applies both ways. I'm going to treat a server the same way they treat me, or I'm going to leave. Or does that only work one way? I should be polite and friendly regardless? Please enlighten me, I'm curious to know.

Screamin_Ruffed_Grouse 1 comment collapsed Collapse Expand
..they approach me with a pissy attitude first, simply because they THINK that I'm going to be rude and arrogant all because of an experience they had with another person who happens to be the same color as me.

Noooo, silly! It's because of lots of experiences they've had with nearly everyone who happens to be the same color as you!

And yes, you should be polite and friendly regardless. If the service is not satisfactory, don't tip, and don't come back. Why would you want to frequent a joint you don't like anyway?

In fairness, servers should be polite and courteous as well. But don't be surprised when they expect you to act like the vast majority of your race act. Want to show you deserve different? Take the first step. Don't expect everyone to just cater to you.

Kony 6 comments collapsed Collapse Expand
The odds are very good they will be right. Why not play the odds? I'd break Vegas with those odds.

Jay 5 comments collapsed Collapse Expand
Then it will continue to be a vicious cycle. If you treat me bad because of a bad experience with someone else (that I have NOTHING to do with), can you honestly be upset when I tip you poorly? C'mon.

SingleServing01 2 comments collapsed Collapse Expand
Black people started the vicious cycle in the 60's. The more concessions they got the more aggressive they behaved, until whites stopped feeling guily and started feeling angry.

Jay 1 comment collapsed Collapse Expand
Lol. Blacks started the cycle? Not the people treating them like they were less than when they tried to dine at white establishments? Quit trying to play the blame game and simply say that ALL of us could stand to learn to quit the generalizations. Do ALL waiters provide inferior service to blacks? No. Are ALL black customers rude? Do we ALL tip bad? No. Stop thinking because we have the same skin color that we're the same. Its foolishness.

Kony 2 comments collapsed Collapse Expand
The stories of bad black tipping in spite of good service are legion. Clean up yer act.

I mean this isn't the worst of it, but the unreason is AMAZING

heh I dunno if it's a universal thing among asians but my parents are such stingy tippers that when I eat out with them I purposely try to overcompensate in tipping to 'break' the stereotype

wow "asian bad tippers" does not lead to good places on google

yeah same here :(

xp

plus also the user name 'Screamin_Ruffed_Grouse'

I am very happy that my job blocked this comment section

xp it's a hunter

Not to mention the violence you might encounter as a guest with black people sitting next to you. If you shush them because of noise or their kids going mental and screaming, you can expect punches, kicks and even worse. ALL the youtube videoes on restaurant violence in the States have black people involved. Black women seem to be the most violent of them all.

black people just randomly whipping the shit out of anyone who talks to them

I am now opposed to Obama's plans to increase internet connectivity and accessibility in the United States

devil you know, man

white devil you know, man

wait

whooo doggy if you guys didn't like that then you definitely won't like this

http://takimag.com/article/the_talk_nonblack_version_john_derbyshire#axzz1rmBltVE2

it starts out alright, but snowballs quite quickly

Before voting for a black politician, scrutinize his/her character much more carefully than you would a white.

haha

it has been discussed

oh, that's had it's day in the sun here

dude got fired for it, frogbs

just kind of amazed that someone thought that was okay to print, like with your name on it and everything

frog you need to keep up a little

ALL the youtube videoes on restaurant violence in the States have black people involved.

patently untrue!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PQQ8WgsfWl4&oref=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fresults%3Fsearch_query%3Drestaurant%2Bdrunken%2Bfight%26oq%3Drestaurant%2Bdrunken%2Bfight%26aq%3Df%26aqi%3D%26aql%3D%26gs_nf%3D1%26gs_l%3Dyoutube-psuggest.3...5078.11935.0.12053.20.20.0.0.0.0.152.1412.15j5.20.0.&has_verified=1

http://youtu.be/PQQ8WgsfWl4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-73kpITP3mc

highlight: Black people started the vicious cycle in the 60's.

haha yeah i enjoyed that guy's *point of view* on american history

I know I'm mostly being pissy because my computer died last night but really I just want all of those idiots to die horribly

my computer's working fine, Dan, and i feel the same way

yeah, what stevie says.

It appears to me that two things are happening simultaneously:
1) That it is becoming more acceptable to say certain types of racist things publicly--that blatant racism is on the rise.
2) While it is publically agreed upon that racism is bad, what racism means has narrowed or become ill-defined--the goal posts have moved--i.e. some people making clearly racist statements seem to be genuinely convinced they are not racist and take offense at the label.

The political stuff around reverse-racism and the race card, etc, goes a long way to explain this trend, and obviously a lot of the butthurt around being called racist is deflection and disingenuous.

BUT

My question: are things actually moving in this direction, or am I just noticing stuff that has always been there?

the latter

it's stuff that's always been there, but now the magic of the Internet can wire racism straight into your home

yeah, that sounds about right

I'm thinking mostly about the stuff I see on the teevee.

2) While it is publically agreed upon that racism is bad, what racism means has narrowed or become ill-defined--the goal posts have moved--i.e. some people making clearly racist statements seem to be genuinely convinced they are not racist and take offense at the label.

it's way more extreme than this. there isn't a single racist person alive who thinks that they're racist, even WHITE POWER WNs with swastikas tattooed on their foreheads. i've probably said it in this thread before, but being racist is considered to be much less offensive than being called a racist.

i mean, people like this: https://twitter.com/#!/antidarkskinned
are everywhere on the internet, and they all insist that they're not racist

that's not true, my boss will outright say in private "i am racist against black people".

he's also the kind of guy who when forced to work w/ a black person, will ultimately see they are a good person but say "yeah but he's different"

"yeah but he's different"

this drives me batshit and a lot of my extended family members are guilty of this. they just can't make the leap in logic when they say "well, he's one of the GOOD ones" about every minority they interact with. does that tell you something about it maybe being YOU and not "THEM". argh.

Bouncing back between az and hi, gr8080, you must see some really weird examples of racism.

the first time i visited AZ after SB 1070 was a thing (and after defending Tucson as "not a racist place" to all my friends) i went straight from the airport to a friend's house, then drove to downtown Tucson, parked on a street near a lot of college bars, got out of the car, and immediately encountered a bearded white guy in his 50's or 60's, meandering down the sidewalk shouting "I FUCKIN' HATE MEXICANS! I FUCKIN' HATE MEXICANS!" over and over

that man was the mayor

You don't understand, "I FUCKIN' HATE MEXICANS!" is the name of my dog

when you reach 1070 SBs you get banished to Arizona

suggest banished

the “Yu Dog” is a deep-fried, wonton-wrapped hot dog with teriyaki beef and seaweed salad. It was reportedly being served at the Captain Morgan Club in center field with chop sticks, a fortune cookie, and french fries fried in sesame oil on the side.

http://i.imgur.com/1ORa7.jpg

Weird racial thing, but I am inexplicably drawn to this food item.

would eat through the guilt

Really dreadful attempts at grease-infused novelty cuisine aren't racist, but they are kind of nauseating.

I think tying it explicitly to a player by name is racist.

sesame oil fries sounds revolting

aimless do you know who yu darvish is??

sesame oil is not good for deep-frying btw - low smoke point. hopefully they are just drizzling sesame oil onto the fries afterwards

I don't follow baseball at all, so no, I've never heard of Yu Darvish. Knowing this, I'd say you have to figure the recipe came out of the originator's deeply ignorant stereotyping of east Asians. Abysmal ignorance and revolting food do not make a pretty picture, no matter how many innocent good intentions may have been at work.

Unless, of course, someone spoke with Yu beforehand and he said, "Gosh, you know what I'd really love to eat??? A deep-fried, wonton-wrapped hot dog with teriyaki beef and seaweed salad! Yum! And I'd be honored if you created this and named it after me." <-- Very unlikely scenario.

if u think abt it, it's sort of racist against americans to calumnize their proud tradition of tokenistically syncretic food-trash