rolling "Is This Racist?" thread

self-perpetuating cycle of racism and resulting poor tipping flagbs

ugh i remember getting a meal with a black friend at a restaurant once and having a truly o_O exchange with our white waiter who eventually informed us (jovially) that "studies have shown" that "slavery wasn't really that bad." she made sure to tip him well because she assumed he would assume she wouldn't. the whole thing was insane and awful, and the worst part was i really think he thought he was being friendly and a li'l irreverent because we were all such pals the whole time.

The patron pointedly mentions owning a .357 because the patron did not do anything differently than the manager in choosing not to speak to the blacks, but owning the .357 innoculates him against being called a coward, too?

but anyway i wondered if that dude groaned when he got black patrons at a table, expecting to be tipped poorly, but then cheerfully launched into his "slavery: no big deal" schtick to try to ingratiate himself nevertheless.

xp I think it's because the .357 is basically a member of his family

his .357 gets really upset at profane language

she made sure to tip him well because she assumed he would assume she wouldn't.

Well. Showed him.

In 50 years there will be NO majority White countries on earth. Yet Africa
has over 50+ all black nations that will stay black. Asia will remain totally
Asian. It is White countries and ONLY White countries that are being flooded
with non-Whites and it is EVERY single White country.

Whites will have gone from almost 30% of the world population in 1900 to
approximately 2-3% by the year 2100, per the UN.

themoreyouknow.gif orly.gif

i know; i think she was working from a people can change through encounters with people who are different from them model. i was working from a some people are lost causes model, but i understand her response. like, on top of all this bullshit, i'm not going to let this dude complain about my people and how we tip as soon as i leave.

xp

i half wonder if the service industry is a major racism-development petri dish in the US. one of the places where different groups come in the most direct contact with one another.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QsK1McEA9ds
sixteen years waiting tables here. some black people don't tip. some black people do tip. it's not color based. it's class based. everything's based.

lol u didnt include the .357 guys handle

"Foxwood Muldor"

thanking u based forks

Jay 2 comments collapsed Collapse Expand
Why, thank you for that vital piece of information on how I should behave myself in a restaurant BUT I'm already aware that if you treat people with respect they will (should) treat you with respect. BUT thats not what my comment said. It said, "Because a waiter has had a bad experience with a black party, it is okay for them to give me poor service?" MEANING, they approach me with a pissy attitude first, simply because they THINK that I'm going to be rude and arrogant all because of an experience they had with another person who happens to be the same color as me. Your comment applies both ways. I'm going to treat a server the same way they treat me, or I'm going to leave. Or does that only work one way? I should be polite and friendly regardless? Please enlighten me, I'm curious to know.

Screamin_Ruffed_Grouse 1 comment collapsed Collapse Expand
..they approach me with a pissy attitude first, simply because they THINK that I'm going to be rude and arrogant all because of an experience they had with another person who happens to be the same color as me.

Noooo, silly! It's because of lots of experiences they've had with nearly everyone who happens to be the same color as you!

And yes, you should be polite and friendly regardless. If the service is not satisfactory, don't tip, and don't come back. Why would you want to frequent a joint you don't like anyway?

In fairness, servers should be polite and courteous as well. But don't be surprised when they expect you to act like the vast majority of your race act. Want to show you deserve different? Take the first step. Don't expect everyone to just cater to you.

Kony 6 comments collapsed Collapse Expand
The odds are very good they will be right. Why not play the odds? I'd break Vegas with those odds.

Jay 5 comments collapsed Collapse Expand
Then it will continue to be a vicious cycle. If you treat me bad because of a bad experience with someone else (that I have NOTHING to do with), can you honestly be upset when I tip you poorly? C'mon.

SingleServing01 2 comments collapsed Collapse Expand
Black people started the vicious cycle in the 60's. The more concessions they got the more aggressive they behaved, until whites stopped feeling guily and started feeling angry.

Jay 1 comment collapsed Collapse Expand
Lol. Blacks started the cycle? Not the people treating them like they were less than when they tried to dine at white establishments? Quit trying to play the blame game and simply say that ALL of us could stand to learn to quit the generalizations. Do ALL waiters provide inferior service to blacks? No. Are ALL black customers rude? Do we ALL tip bad? No. Stop thinking because we have the same skin color that we're the same. Its foolishness.

Kony 2 comments collapsed Collapse Expand
The stories of bad black tipping in spite of good service are legion. Clean up yer act.

I mean this isn't the worst of it, but the unreason is AMAZING

heh I dunno if it's a universal thing among asians but my parents are such stingy tippers that when I eat out with them I purposely try to overcompensate in tipping to 'break' the stereotype

wow "asian bad tippers" does not lead to good places on google

yeah same here :(

xp

plus also the user name 'Screamin_Ruffed_Grouse'

I am very happy that my job blocked this comment section

xp it's a hunter

Not to mention the violence you might encounter as a guest with black people sitting next to you. If you shush them because of noise or their kids going mental and screaming, you can expect punches, kicks and even worse. ALL the youtube videoes on restaurant violence in the States have black people involved. Black women seem to be the most violent of them all.

black people just randomly whipping the shit out of anyone who talks to them

I am now opposed to Obama's plans to increase internet connectivity and accessibility in the United States

devil you know, man

white devil you know, man

wait

whooo doggy if you guys didn't like that then you definitely won't like this

http://takimag.com/article/the_talk_nonblack_version_john_derbyshire#axzz1rmBltVE2

it starts out alright, but snowballs quite quickly

Before voting for a black politician, scrutinize his/her character much more carefully than you would a white.

haha

it has been discussed

oh, that's had it's day in the sun here

dude got fired for it, frogbs

just kind of amazed that someone thought that was okay to print, like with your name on it and everything

frog you need to keep up a little

ALL the youtube videoes on restaurant violence in the States have black people involved.

patently untrue!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PQQ8WgsfWl4&oref=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fresults%3Fsearch_query%3Drestaurant%2Bdrunken%2Bfight%26oq%3Drestaurant%2Bdrunken%2Bfight%26aq%3Df%26aqi%3D%26aql%3D%26gs_nf%3D1%26gs_l%3Dyoutube-psuggest.3...5078.11935.0.12053.20.20.0.0.0.0.152.1412.15j5.20.0.&has_verified=1

http://youtu.be/PQQ8WgsfWl4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-73kpITP3mc

highlight: Black people started the vicious cycle in the 60's.

haha yeah i enjoyed that guy's *point of view* on american history

I know I'm mostly being pissy because my computer died last night but really I just want all of those idiots to die horribly

my computer's working fine, Dan, and i feel the same way

yeah, what stevie says.

It appears to me that two things are happening simultaneously:
1) That it is becoming more acceptable to say certain types of racist things publicly--that blatant racism is on the rise.
2) While it is publically agreed upon that racism is bad, what racism means has narrowed or become ill-defined--the goal posts have moved--i.e. some people making clearly racist statements seem to be genuinely convinced they are not racist and take offense at the label.

The political stuff around reverse-racism and the race card, etc, goes a long way to explain this trend, and obviously a lot of the butthurt around being called racist is deflection and disingenuous.

BUT

My question: are things actually moving in this direction, or am I just noticing stuff that has always been there?

the latter

it's stuff that's always been there, but now the magic of the Internet can wire racism straight into your home

yeah, that sounds about right

I'm thinking mostly about the stuff I see on the teevee.

2) While it is publically agreed upon that racism is bad, what racism means has narrowed or become ill-defined--the goal posts have moved--i.e. some people making clearly racist statements seem to be genuinely convinced they are not racist and take offense at the label.

it's way more extreme than this. there isn't a single racist person alive who thinks that they're racist, even WHITE POWER WNs with swastikas tattooed on their foreheads. i've probably said it in this thread before, but being racist is considered to be much less offensive than being called a racist.

i mean, people like this: https://twitter.com/#!/antidarkskinned
are everywhere on the internet, and they all insist that they're not racist

that's not true, my boss will outright say in private "i am racist against black people".

he's also the kind of guy who when forced to work w/ a black person, will ultimately see they are a good person but say "yeah but he's different"

"yeah but he's different"

this drives me batshit and a lot of my extended family members are guilty of this. they just can't make the leap in logic when they say "well, he's one of the GOOD ones" about every minority they interact with. does that tell you something about it maybe being YOU and not "THEM". argh.

Bouncing back between az and hi, gr8080, you must see some really weird examples of racism.

the first time i visited AZ after SB 1070 was a thing (and after defending Tucson as "not a racist place" to all my friends) i went straight from the airport to a friend's house, then drove to downtown Tucson, parked on a street near a lot of college bars, got out of the car, and immediately encountered a bearded white guy in his 50's or 60's, meandering down the sidewalk shouting "I FUCKIN' HATE MEXICANS! I FUCKIN' HATE MEXICANS!" over and over

that man was the mayor