Guns n Roses: Critical Rehab

Spinners were nominated for 2012, even.

I would argue that RHCP isn't even that bad a nominee if you ignore everything they did post-BSSM

(well really I'd argue post-UMPP because I really hate Mothers' Milk but I know that removing their commercial breakthroughs would be silly)

Kiedis' horrible facial hair decisions should be enough to disqualify them

I'd go along with that (ignoring post-UMPP).

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haha dan do you ever get tired of pretending as if most people have even heard the first three RHCP albums and/or that they would vastly change their opinion of the band if they had

This looks like it might be a couple of years out of date, but here's a list of artists who have been nominated (or "considered") in the past without making it in: http://www.futurerocklegends.com/previously_considered.php

Albert King! Chic! The E-Street Band

why are we even talking abt GNR/RHCP ffs

half that list reads like a HOF list on its own!

I would have thought Carole King would be right up their alley.

She was inducted as a songwriter (with Gerry Goffin), but not as a performer.

Carole King is the definition of Rock and Roll. Fuck the MC5 and Deep Purple, Carole King rocks!

Mother's Milk would have made a great maxisingle.

Taste the Pain
Knock Me Down
Pretty Little Ditty

stop trying to sway me to your opinion on Mother's Milk with seductive haikus

knock me down is such a beautiful song

Carole King is the definition of Rock and Roll. Fuck the MC5 and Deep Purple, Carole King rocks!

Interestingly, the MC5 and Deep Purple are not in the HoF specifically, and explicitly, because Carole King is. It's stipulated in her contract.

("I want Deep Pur-ple under my feet, I want the 5 tumbling down..."

Wait, Frank Zappa's in there. Didn't he have a song where he sings about Deep Purple?

I think it's the other way around

shit

:D

Interestingly, the MC5 and Deep Purple are not in the HoF specifically, and explicitly, because Carole King is. It's stipulated in her contract.

^so stupid

the deep purple snub is kinda weird and MC5 should totally be in, but so should carole king!

i love you all

haha dan do you ever get tired of pretending as if most people have even heard the first three RHCP albums and/or that they would vastly change their opinion of the band if they had

that's an.. interesting piece of selective reading

guys, GNR isn't hair metal

i just think it's funny how you have to talk about their early stuff every time RHCP comes up, to the point of saying that they'd be a good Rock'n'Roll Hall of Fame nominee if they'd stopped after the first 3 albums nobody bought

yeah how bizarre that someone talks about the stuff they like by a band, it really doesn't make any kind of sense

ok if you don't see the humor in "they wouldn't be a bad Hall of Fame nominee if you ignore virtually the entire period in which they've been famous" then nevermind

guys, GNR isn't hair metal

― Matt Armstrong, Thursday, April 12, 2012 1:53 PM (9 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

they have an interesting relationship to hair metal IMO..they seem to be at once a part of it and outside of it...like Appetite feels like the complete masterpiece of that era of music, but at the same time the end of that era, and GnR kind of put the definitive cap on the era while killing it at the same time (to me at least)

Appetite isn't hair metal at all though; it's total sleaze rock. It's way closer to ACDC than Cinderella.

Paradise City is sort of hair metal in the sense that it was an arena anthem but the song is basically Skynyrd.

yeah it's kind of strange how GNR debuted after almost every other big band of that scene (and 5+ years after Motley Crue) and were able to kind of eclipse them all in a lot of ways and not be looked at as johnny come latelys or anything like that. (xpost)

Guns 'N Roses sound like a gritty version of Winger

matt, no i know what you're saying...i guess i meant more from the perspective of being a fan at the time, like i didn't really cut those distinctions, all metal was good because of the fact that it was metal, and i thought iron maiden was metal and bon jovi was metal and GnR was metal and britney fox was metal etc

making a distinction between "sleaze rock" and "hair metal" is just vanity

It's way closer to ACDC than Cinderella.

But Cinderella were practically AC/DC copyists!

this idea is falling apart as i write it, but don't you think the is-but-isn't relationship of GNR to the rest of hair metal is formal? as in, they had two guitar players, and sound like it? there's just a lot more stonesy mess going on. i'm not the closest student of this music but the other big names of the time seemed to have a single guitarist iirc. plus slash sounded the least van haleny of all the genre's guitarists.

cinderella had plenty of double-guitar stones indenture

i don't know cinderella at all! like i said i'm not real knowledgeable about this music.

i think of AC/DC, Van Halen and Aerosmith as the 3 big transitional hard rock bands that bridged the '70s and '80s, obviously all of them were a little goofy and cartoony in their on way, but less fluffy than the 'hair metal' bands that they influenced, and GNR seems kind of like a throwback to their heyday (maybe in production/playing more than persona) than of a piece with their peers.

yeah esp by the 2nd album cinderella got real stonsey.....

GNR's snare wasn't as gated than the snare on Poison records. Also, they didn't play pointy-headstock guitars with crunchless sustain. And their singer was a scraggy, scuzzy lech. Plus, they were the American answer to the Faces.

the Replacements were the American answer to the Faces

Mmmmaybe...but less because Westerberg ain't Stewart and more because Mars ain't Jones.

g'n'r toned down the glam but jesus it was still an aquanet-drenched band of guys named axl, iggy, slash and duff. and it's not like hair bands weren't already giving a high sheen to '70s signposts.

lol izzy i mean

more because Mars ain't Jones

and Adler is? gtfo

and maybe the drums weren't AS gated as poison's, but they're still fucking late '80s as can be. People are ignoring the commonalities because G'n'R didn't revel in some of the flaws of hair metal. Like saying Children of Men isn't a sci-fi movie because, yeah it's a dystopian movie set in the future based around a scientific fantasy, but they don't call money "spacebucks."

when GNR broke they were definitely teasing up their hair and dressing more glam, then it seemed like once they got big Axl went for the longhair/headband look...cfe: how he looks in welcome to the jungle vs. paradise city videos

maybe it's actually kind of common for the tail end of an era to define it, the way the 2nd half of the Beatles catalog has become way more culturally ubiquitous than the 1st half.

g'n'r was a strong enough band, musically and aesthetically, to influence their peers, but let's not pretend their peers weren't named tracii and bret.