Guns n Roses: Critical Rehab

I just can't imagine nu-metal shit getting in there.

Is there a Stairway to Heaven of nu-metal?

HOF wiki has some stuff about Bob Welch not being included in Fleetwood Mac's induction along w/ founding members and Rumors era members that does make me wonder exactly how the HOF decides how to handle bands w/ lots of lineup changes: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rock_n_Roll_hall_of_Fame#Fleetwood_Mac_.26_Bob_Welch

i mean Rush isn't in there, sales are not the only barometer, bands w/ a fraction of their sales like the White Stripes will get in first.

I would argue that Rush deserves to be there more than RHCP. And I don't even like Rush! My feeling is if the Chili Peppers can get in, anyone can.

xpost they figure out who matters and then figure who the people who matter are comfortable spending time on stage with.

re: bizkit, Alice Cooper has been eligible since '94 and got in in 2011 - the guy behind "I'm Eighteen" & "School's Out" who's last gold album was twenty years after his first. Limp has "Nookie" & "Break Stuff" and their last gold record came six years after their first. They won't be eligible until 2022, and unless Cash Money gives them a bonafide comeback, Rock'n'Roll probably has to matter past 2050 for Fred to go "hell yeah" at the event. Plus they'll probably have handed the ceremony to Ryan Schrieber by then and I can't see him letting that happen.

Chili Peppers are huge, though, easily one of the top 5 most inevitable inductions of the 90s/00s alt rock era

pointing out that bands who deserve to be in the HOF aren't actually in it isn't a strong argument against a band that shouldn't be in the HOF making it in

I mean, I do take the point and you're all probably right, and yet I can totally see voters going "you know what, in retrospect Limp Bizkit were IMPORTANT, in they go; fuck you, Rush"

"you know what, in retrospect Limp Bizkit were IMPORTANT, in they go; fuck you, Rush"

this would make sense if the stones were inducted for altamont

GNR is the only hair metal band in the HOF. if Crue were in there, i'd see Bizkit having a shot.

First post on thread aside, g'n'r has always been the exception to the rule. My 1992 rolling stone album guide gives appetite five stars! Granted, Kix has a 4 and a half (Long may you run, JD Considine).

plus these things are run by rock mag people, and G'n'R sold rock mag covers even when they were off the map pre-chinese democracy.

yeah can i just say once again how ridiculously rong the idea behind this thread is

haha scrolling through the acts in the HOF, the first one that made me go "wait, REALLY?" was... The Lovin' Spoonful

yeah. note that Tha Spoonful was inducted about 10 years after eligibility -- i think we're gonna see a lot of marginal 60s/70s acts that hadn't made the cut before get in before any 90s bands lower on the totem pole than, say, Smashing Pumpkins

My only HoF hobby-horse was the Dave Clark Five. Beyond that, idk

Weird if Tommy Stinson went into the HoF as a GNR member. I mean, I dunno if the Mats would ever have a chance at getting in, but still. smdh

Upcoming bands who will probably slide in asap:

Green Day
Nirvana
Pearl Jam
Foo Fighters

after that, i dunno

i don't think the Foos are a given. maybe the Pumpkins, maybe Soundgarden or AIC?

the Velvet Underground and Elvis Costello got in, so maybe some sub-platinum types like Sonic Youth have a shot.

Kid Rock has a much higher likelihood of induction than Bizkit, i will say

Foos are a given for all the classic rock ass Dave kisses. Plus after Nirvana in 2014, Green Day in 2015 and Pearl Jam in 2016, they'll be hungry for another rock headliner, assuming we're not all dead.

The Lovin' Spoonful really is one of the great 60s bands though; I think they would have been even bigger if their name didn't make people so uncomfortable

Dave Marsh sez:

Kiss is not a great band, Kiss was never a great band, Kiss never will be a great band, and I have done my share to keep them off the ballot.

Dave's right, but fuck the HoF anyway.

surprise induction for London After Midnight

clearly Collective Soul has to go in at some point

I really believe that GNR (Appetite lineup) belongs in there just as much as the Replacements. Every other hair metal band (Kix, Trixter, White Lion, Great White, Poison, Drivin'n'Cryin, Extreme, etc,etc.) isn't even in the same league and definitely don't belong. The only possible exception is Def Leppard, who probably shouldn't be lumped in with all that other crap.

One of the few '80s college rock bands I think is an eventual guarantee is dun-duh-DUHHHH The Cure.

somehow i think Depeche would get in before The Cure.

keyboards over guitars, i think not

I see your point, and I don't think Kix would have any reason to get in either, but did you have to put them next to Trixter?

xps

The Cure don't have keyboards?

Depeche Mode are probably more seen as only having keyboards, or at least prominently having them.

sd, are you really going to make me explain to you how depeche can easily be perceived as more of a keyboard band than the cure by the kind of people who decide these things

they should just do a "pander to DJP" year where they induct Bauhaus, Depeche Mode, The Cure, Siouxsie & the Banshees and The Smiths

Dave Marsh sez:

Kiss is not a great band, Kiss was never a great band, Kiss never will be a great band, and I have done my share to keep them off the ballot.

^based on some of the bands they've inducted, I'm not quite sure if being "great" is a prerequisite.

Bauhaus is never getting in, Siouxsie at least has gender tokenism on her side, Depeche after the cure, and The Smiths are kind of an curiosity for me. They've got plenty of subcultural immortality, but unlike the cure never had a pop moment stateside.

I could almost see the Smiths getting in on the basis of How Soon Is Now alone.

obviously "great" is a subjective term. Probably influence is going to be a bigger determining factor.

You're overanalyzing my post. What i really meant to say is that the Hall of Fame sucks balls, as do losers like Dave Marsh

the list of hitless-in-america, nerd cult inductees is pretty short and sets the bar high: Velvets, Ramones, Leonard Cohen, The Stooges, Tom Waits

losers like Dave Marsh

Who's to say he didn't also vote against marginal inductees like RHCP? And being a massive MC5 fan, he obviously doesn't have enough pull to get them into the HoF.

my list should either have laura nyro thrown in or leonard cohen taken out

Laura Nyro is in this year

Who's to say he didn't also vote against marginal inductees like RHCP? And being a massive MC5 fan, he obviously doesn't have enough pull to get them into the HoF.

― Dancing with Mr. T (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Thursday, April 12, 2012 12:03 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

He's a putz

yeah, my point is either Nyro's another hitless-in-america nerd cult inductee or the writer of big hits for others, in which case cohen (and maybe waits) shouldn't be on my list either.

part of the reason I think the cure is a lock is a) they had some top 20 hits, b) they represent a whole wing of critically repsected music and c) they have been a successful arena rock band for decades

there are plenty of bands who've pulled off two of the three and been ignored, but can't think of many who hit all three

dave marsh otm for once

OTM, but still a putz.

you're not wrong about The Cure and if i'd known they were already nominated i would've been less skeptical when you brought them up. i just wonder how really enthusiastic the US rock establishment is about them -- did they ever get 4 stars or even a lead review in Rolling Stone for a new album?

yeah, Wish.