Guns n Roses: Critical Rehab

yeah but backup singers and orchestra were never part of the core band despite the jokes about bloat

yeah, but i'm just saying people are acting like 8 people onstage for a GNR show is a lot. even on the UYI tour the core band was 6 people w/ Dizzy.

I think we all agree that Gilby Clarke should be in the Hall of Fame.

Fuck, I mean, the real crime is that Tracii Guns appears to be getting shafted here.

I'm totally fine with anyone telling the rock'n'roll hall of fame to go fuck themselves, even Axl Rose.

he totally didn't, though! he respectfully declined!

Will there be a moment of silence for Ole Beich and any other human wreckage they have left in their wake?

what does the jacket worn by the poor man's Izzy Stradlin say?

It looks like it says GENERAL AMISH but that can't be right.

He politely told them to go fuck themselves, sd. Strongly demanding his name not come up is totally a fuck you whether it's written diplomatically.

They should ignore the late '80s/early '90s for a while, and focus on adored unheralded '70s acts for a bit (cheap trick, chicago, styx, blah fucking blah) until Green Day is eligible. Once Green Day is in, every conflicted "keepin it real" band of my childhood will feel their nod is overdue.

oh my god I just realized

one day, Limp Bizkit is going to be in the HOF, aren't they

I realize Axl would happily be there singing about Patience if they'd let his merry band of hacks play instead of the old squad, though.

xpost i dunno hard rock has to wait a while. Kiss wasn't an immediate induction and they've actually maintained a high profile since their glory days.

looks like "General Altruism" to me.

This is from lol CRACKED.com, but the dude makes a good case for The Cars, Jethro Tull, Kate Bush, Peter Gabriel and Jeff Lynne/ELO. I think The Cars and ELO certainly should be in there.

one day, Limp Bizkit is going to be in the HOF, aren't they

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oh c'mon, definitely not. i mean Rush isn't in there, sales are not the only barometer, bands w/ a fraction of their sales like the White Stripes will get in first.

Rush, Blue Oyster Cult, Yes, Deep Purple, Kiss

there are some weird omissions. those bands were massive. And except for Kiss, they were awesome.

Alice Cooper only got in last year, as far as hard rock clowns go. Also by the time Limp Bizkit could be in no one will give a fuck about this thing.

lol wait Kiss aren't even yet? For some reason I thought they'd slipped in.

I just can't imagine nu-metal shit getting in there.

Is there a Stairway to Heaven of nu-metal?

HOF wiki has some stuff about Bob Welch not being included in Fleetwood Mac's induction along w/ founding members and Rumors era members that does make me wonder exactly how the HOF decides how to handle bands w/ lots of lineup changes: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rock_n_Roll_hall_of_Fame#Fleetwood_Mac_.26_Bob_Welch

i mean Rush isn't in there, sales are not the only barometer, bands w/ a fraction of their sales like the White Stripes will get in first.

I would argue that Rush deserves to be there more than RHCP. And I don't even like Rush! My feeling is if the Chili Peppers can get in, anyone can.

xpost they figure out who matters and then figure who the people who matter are comfortable spending time on stage with.

re: bizkit, Alice Cooper has been eligible since '94 and got in in 2011 - the guy behind "I'm Eighteen" & "School's Out" who's last gold album was twenty years after his first. Limp has "Nookie" & "Break Stuff" and their last gold record came six years after their first. They won't be eligible until 2022, and unless Cash Money gives them a bonafide comeback, Rock'n'Roll probably has to matter past 2050 for Fred to go "hell yeah" at the event. Plus they'll probably have handed the ceremony to Ryan Schrieber by then and I can't see him letting that happen.

Chili Peppers are huge, though, easily one of the top 5 most inevitable inductions of the 90s/00s alt rock era

pointing out that bands who deserve to be in the HOF aren't actually in it isn't a strong argument against a band that shouldn't be in the HOF making it in

I mean, I do take the point and you're all probably right, and yet I can totally see voters going "you know what, in retrospect Limp Bizkit were IMPORTANT, in they go; fuck you, Rush"

"you know what, in retrospect Limp Bizkit were IMPORTANT, in they go; fuck you, Rush"

this would make sense if the stones were inducted for altamont

GNR is the only hair metal band in the HOF. if Crue were in there, i'd see Bizkit having a shot.

First post on thread aside, g'n'r has always been the exception to the rule. My 1992 rolling stone album guide gives appetite five stars! Granted, Kix has a 4 and a half (Long may you run, JD Considine).

plus these things are run by rock mag people, and G'n'R sold rock mag covers even when they were off the map pre-chinese democracy.

yeah can i just say once again how ridiculously rong the idea behind this thread is

haha scrolling through the acts in the HOF, the first one that made me go "wait, REALLY?" was... The Lovin' Spoonful

yeah. note that Tha Spoonful was inducted about 10 years after eligibility -- i think we're gonna see a lot of marginal 60s/70s acts that hadn't made the cut before get in before any 90s bands lower on the totem pole than, say, Smashing Pumpkins

My only HoF hobby-horse was the Dave Clark Five. Beyond that, idk

Weird if Tommy Stinson went into the HoF as a GNR member. I mean, I dunno if the Mats would ever have a chance at getting in, but still. smdh

Upcoming bands who will probably slide in asap:

Green Day
Nirvana
Pearl Jam
Foo Fighters

after that, i dunno

i don't think the Foos are a given. maybe the Pumpkins, maybe Soundgarden or AIC?

the Velvet Underground and Elvis Costello got in, so maybe some sub-platinum types like Sonic Youth have a shot.

Kid Rock has a much higher likelihood of induction than Bizkit, i will say

Foos are a given for all the classic rock ass Dave kisses. Plus after Nirvana in 2014, Green Day in 2015 and Pearl Jam in 2016, they'll be hungry for another rock headliner, assuming we're not all dead.

The Lovin' Spoonful really is one of the great 60s bands though; I think they would have been even bigger if their name didn't make people so uncomfortable

Dave Marsh sez:

Kiss is not a great band, Kiss was never a great band, Kiss never will be a great band, and I have done my share to keep them off the ballot.

Dave's right, but fuck the HoF anyway.

surprise induction for London After Midnight

clearly Collective Soul has to go in at some point

I really believe that GNR (Appetite lineup) belongs in there just as much as the Replacements. Every other hair metal band (Kix, Trixter, White Lion, Great White, Poison, Drivin'n'Cryin, Extreme, etc,etc.) isn't even in the same league and definitely don't belong. The only possible exception is Def Leppard, who probably shouldn't be lumped in with all that other crap.

One of the few '80s college rock bands I think is an eventual guarantee is dun-duh-DUHHHH The Cure.

somehow i think Depeche would get in before The Cure.

keyboards over guitars, i think not

I see your point, and I don't think Kix would have any reason to get in either, but did you have to put them next to Trixter?

xps

The Cure don't have keyboards?

Depeche Mode are probably more seen as only having keyboards, or at least prominently having them.

sd, are you really going to make me explain to you how depeche can easily be perceived as more of a keyboard band than the cure by the kind of people who decide these things

they should just do a "pander to DJP" year where they induct Bauhaus, Depeche Mode, The Cure, Siouxsie & the Banshees and The Smiths

Dave Marsh sez:

Kiss is not a great band, Kiss was never a great band, Kiss never will be a great band, and I have done my share to keep them off the ballot.

^based on some of the bands they've inducted, I'm not quite sure if being "great" is a prerequisite.