THE GAME OF THRONES/ASOIAF SPOILER THREAD (WARNING: SPOILERS)

srsly five books in and no one has even rode a dragon yet smh

― lag∞n, Wednesday, April 11, 2012 3:33 PM (4 hours ago) Bookmark

yes they have, get the hell out nub

nah, Varys is the only real hero of the piece

i would call sam a hero

eventually

I like Varys. Ramsey Bolton seems the most horrible to me.

I think the dead mountain that rides who lurks in the basement of the red keep is a big enemy

yeah i was gonna say they could just cut out dorne completely but then you lose the Mountain vs Viper fight which is one of the top 5 moments in the series imo. i'd rather have that than the red wedding if i had to choose

same

i really like the dorne stuff

ya dorne stuff is great, really like doran martell and his whole thing with ariane where she accuses him of being useless & never making any choices or acting up or whatevs and then he takes her aside and tells her the truth, that he's actually been plotting all the while to get dorne & targaryens on that iron throne. sadly, fucking quentyn is useless as hell and fucks it up.

that was a real bummer

Isn't Oberyn one of the characters they're casting for the upcoming, confirmed third season?

i don't remember where they left this in the books, but...the hound's not really dead, right? he's with that guy who can't die and cat stark etc right?

He's alive, but not kicking it with d00d who can't die (i.e. Beric Dondarrion), who incidentally is dead. (He gave up his living spark to reanimate UnCat.) Instead, the Hound is chilling on a monkish isle as an unspeaking initiate that I believe Bran and the Reeds visit.

the hound is dead though iirc. isn't that what the top guy on that monkish isle said? that he'd buried sandor clegane. or did i miss something? also, it's not bran & the reeds ho visit that island, its brienne & that septon & dog & randall tarly's man whose name i cant remember.

its really pointless but for some reason i really like dog !

i thought sandor was specifically dead but i guess i miss a lot of stuff

the hound is dead though iirc. isn't that what the top guy on that monkish isle said? that he'd buried sandor clegane. or did i miss something?

thats one of the points of 'evidence' for him being alive - the monkbro specifically says that he buried the hound, leaving us to imagine that sandor clegane is alive but is no longer the hound

yeah it's very "i BURIED him do you see BURIED. 'buried'"

The scene in that book that had me gasping & clutching the pearls was Oberyn's death.

Oh jesus, quite true. I forgot about that scene. If there is a 'scene which effortlessly sums up ASOIAF' it's probably that one. I still cringe when I think of it.

yeah, the red wedding was big and splashy and but the mountain/viper was just so intense

Gubke's post about exiled houses on the spoiler-free thread is a spoiler, I think. Don't want to mention it in the thread but maybe it should be deleted by a nice mod?

So... being careful not to spoil... in the books, Arya becomes Roose Bolton's cup-bearer at Harrenhal, not Tywin's, correct? This is a BIG change from the book and I'm not sure where they'll head with it...

― til the sound of my voice will haint u (Jon Lewis), Tuesday, April 24, 2012 5:26 PM (21 minutes ago)

is it a material change tho? i expect arya's story will play out the same. i am sure the change is just streamlining.

i thought in the book, Tywin is there for a while, then rides out and Roose Bolton shows up after that and takes over? please tell me if i'm wrong

I imagine any changes like that are just to get full value from their actors (see also Shae becoming Sansa's chambermaid). Presumably Roose is still going to turn up at Harrenhall

xp that is my recollection. tywin heads south

yeah Roose at Harrenhal is what he was spoiling w/ that post is what i meant

Shae/Sansa thing was in the book too, it was just mentioned in passing instead of being given a scene

Yeah, wasn't the point kind of that despite Harrenhall changing hands from Lanisters to Starks, Arya was shocked to find that the conditions didn't really improve.

I think he was there but he was "offscreen" so to speak

they are obviously compressing/speeding up arya's storyline, and there is no reason why she can't gtfo while tywin is around instead of later.

yeah i guess the question is whether they want to establish roose bolton as a character soundly enough to make him switching sides a big twist

since in the books that's the only bit where he's ever onscreen really

How the hell do they even pay all the actors for this show? The finances must be labyrinthine

i guess all the riverlands outlaws and such are the easiest thing to trim for the show, i've read the books twice and i still can't remember who's who and they're all very minor characters that could be replaced with random one-shot appearances where they matter (e.g. jaime's hand)

I guess I am wrong to assume that Tywin at Harrenhal now = no Roose at Harrenhal later. Making what I said a possible spoiler... sorry.

On further reflection they really HAVE to establish Bolton at Harrenhal unless they want to throw out a ton of good ish.

roose at harrenhal is too important to write out, even if they don't actually give it any screen time. but yeah, as a character he does require fleshing out (PUN INTENDED) and if not now, when?

on another note entirely, with the way they are really going to town with joffrey, how disappointed are newb viewers going to be with a. how long it takes until he dies (he has to be around all of this season and most of next, surely) and b. the relatively unsatisfying way it goes down? or will the show change both/either?

Oh, my memory is that it's pretty satisying? He dies quite horribly iirc. I agree they may be peaking out his evil levels a bit early though.

dying at yr own wedding feast is pretty good imo, don't think they need to change it. they could probably push it up a bit, i suspect they're gonna bleed into book 3 at the end of this season to get a headstart on it

well, there is so much else going on around his death. it isn't the one big, triumphant catharsis that ppl are probably expecting.

it isn't the one big, triumphant catharsis that ppl are probably expecting.

Series motto, pretty much.

I nominate "everyone you love will suffer terribly and die horribly. everyone else too tbh."

How about "always avoid wedding celebrations"?

I used to think that way, but now I'm just "ANOTHER PLACE?" and I kind of wish all the characters would hang out in Central Perk and just hash it out over a cup of java.

― GoT SPOILER ALERT (Gukbe), Thursday, April 26, 2012 12:27 PM (8 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Love this comment. Someone is in for major disappointment. If there's one thing I can say about this series, it really frustrates any expectations of character A finally meeting character B.

Danerys' storyline is going to drive tv watchers crazy

yeah i was talking about that upthread and how if they really have license to make big changes to the plot, they should just cut out everything in her story after Mereen and just send her straight to Westeros after that. the first time i read the books, her chapters were just so disengaged from the exciting stuff happening in Westeros that i found them really boring even when there was some action

like, she could chill in Dorne secretly until the rest of the plot stuff is set up for her appearance in (presumably) book 6, and that would give a better reason to shoehorn in the Dorne stuff from book 4

you are making a lot of assumptions about her going to Westeros in future books, maybe she'll just chill out in Mereen some more

It'd be relatively easy for them to accelerate events if the books were already finished but seeing as they're not i'm not sure what they can do. I mean Daenerys secretly turning up in Dorne would require a fairly massive plot reshuffle

Oh, my memory is that it's pretty satisying? He dies quite horribly iirc. I agree they may be peaking out his evil levels a bit early though.

I don't care how they treat Joff's wedding as long as they bring in Lady Olenna. QUEEN OF THORNS LAYING THE LAW, MORE LIKE QUEEN OF THRONES AMIRITE?

xp that was just an example, the point is that nothing that happens in her story between the dragons hatching and the end of book 5 seems particularly important, except for her getting an army when she frees Mereen, and the dragons growing which happens regardless of whether she's onscreen or not