THE GAME OF THRONES/ASOIAF SPOILER THREAD (WARNING: SPOILERS)

also, one departure i would like to suggest is gilly gets killed immediately so that terrible woman isn't on my tv anymore

aw, what did Kristin Wiig ever do to you

this is not the thread you want to open having noticed only that it has "GAME OF THRONES" in the title

So it's been renewed for season three, which means that now the show has to untangle books three and four, which will be a tough gig.

My suspicion is that S2 would end with the Blackwater battle? Can't see it stuck in the middle of season 3. And I can't imagine how they're going to film that for TV, that's LotR scale.

they cut his head off and replaced it with his wolfs

Yep, S2 finale

Interesting to see how they're breaking this down

201: The North Remembers
Written by David Benioff & D.B Weiss, directed by Alan Taylor
Airdate: 1 April 2012

202: The Night Lands
Written by David Benioff & D.B. Weiss, directed by Alan Taylor
Airdate: 8 April 2012

203: What is Dead May Never Die
Written by Bryan Cogman, directed by Alik Sakharov
Airdate: 15 April 2012

204: Garden of Bones
Written by Vanessa Taylor, directed by David Petrarca
Airdate: 22 April 2012

205: The Ghost of Harrenhal
Written by David Benioff & D.B. Weiss, directed by David Petrarca
Airdate: 29 April 2012

206: The Old Gods and the New
Written by Vanessa Taylor, directed by David Nutter
Airdate: 6 May 2012

207: A Man Without Honor
Written by David Benioff & D.B. Weiss, directed by David Nutter
Airdate: 13 May 2012

208: The Prince of Winterfell
Written by David Benioff & D.B. Weiss, directed by Alan Taylor
Airdate: 20 May 2012

209: Blackwater
Written by George R.R. Martin, directed by Neil Marshall
Airdate: 27 May 2012

210: Valar Morghulis
Written by David Benioff & D.B. Weiss, directed by Alan Taylor
Airdate: 3 June 2012

My suspicion is that S2 would end with the Blackwater battle? Can't see it stuck in the middle of season 3. And I can't imagine how they're going to film that for TV, that's LotR scale.

Probably going to be Stannis and Mel re-enacting it on the Dragonstone table with the action figures, post-coitus.

I wonder if they're still going to have Tyrion get his nose cut off etc.

Yeah, Peter Dinklage is already way more handsome than the way Tyrion is described in the books. I have a hard time seeing HBO disfigure their star for years on end.

They'll probably just give him an interesting scar instead.

grrm dropped too many hints about jon snow actually being lyanna stark's son to just kill him off without having the Big Reveal about that. he'll surely be back

Yeah, Peter Dinklage is already way more handsome than the way Tyrion is described in the books. I have a hard time seeing HBO disfigure their star for years on end.

kind of like how ppl had a hard time seeing HBO kill of poster boy Sean Bean?

No, not really

they already made a concession by not having him be ugly from the start. They might give him a nasty scar but i doubt they'll go all the way with it.

did you know peter dinklage was in that one episode of 30 rock? tina fey mistakes him for a child but then starts dating him to cover up for it

SHUT IT DOWN.

I'm not sure if Jon is going to be inside the wolf or brought back to life by the red queen. Either would work, though the first would be more interesting.

― EZ Snappin, Tuesday, April 10, 2012 5:34 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I'm betting on inside the wolf first, for a few chapters, then Mels does some red magic, pulling him out of wolf and into his former body. He'll def be in the wolf at least for a while; there was way too much attention paid to that boar thing, as if to get us thinking abt it.

how will you guys feel if the show departs radically from the books at some point because i think it should totally do that

I'm totally fine with whatever as long as the Red Wedding still happens

― God, Music and Romeo and Juliet (DJP), Tuesday, April 10, 2012 5:37 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Cosign but add Boltons pere et fils, I'll feel mega robbed if there are not ample scenes of their creepiness. Also, no Reek no credibility.

pretty sure roose bolton is cast for this season

He's being played by Michael McElhatton.

My wife is convinced the Reeds will be left out of the show, with the domesticated wildling chick hitting their notes. Thoughts?

I hope not.

perhaps, though book-wise, Howland Reed is the only one left alive who knows a bunch of secret stuff that Ned otherwise took to the grave

i think the one big story change they should consider for the show is somehow getting Dany to Westeros earlier. there's no crucial plot reason i can think of for her to chill in the east for 2 more books after she frees Mereen and has an army, other than the dragons growing which can just be sped up

ya get rid of that shit

like her only real cool scene for a long stretch of the books is the chapter where she 'trades' the dragon for the slave army and then torches the slavemaster guy

Agreed. In fact, the thing that really perplexes me abt the books is how long he has delayed what one has to assume are the two key 'ice' and 'fire' events (Dany enters Westeros w/dragons, Winter finally comes w/white walkers crossing the wall).

he doesn't really know what to do with the dragons, basically

If he did not start the fkin series without a p solid idea of where he was ultimately headed with the dragons and the white walkers, I pity him.

*with* not without, sorry

people seem to think dany, tyrion, and jon are gonna be the 3 dragon riders (this theory also assumes that jon is lyanna stark's son and that she died in childbirth like tyrion and dany's mothers. not sure how this is relevant but people like patterns i guess?)

that also requires Tyrion to be a Targaryen. I know there are theories but that would be kind of annoying

yeah if tyrion ends up being a targaryen or a dragon rider im giving up

i thought Snow was the son of Ned

oh god brownie dont embarrass yourself

what will GRR Martin come up with next i ask you

now i hope the show completely abandons the books i want new content and grrm is not providing it

there's definitely a snow secret, the whole thing is ned brought him back from the wars and refused to talk about it

maybe he's the son of an actual snowman

the jon-is-lyanna's-son thing is so tedious, grrm retroactively erasing from the record one of the few times a character had > 1 trait

http://por-img.cimcontent.net/api/assets/bin-201001/6d62572fd000cfe319ff7b46bdc5836c.jpg

grrm retroactively erasing from the record one of the few times a character had > 1 trait

I think even the first book leaves big hints that Jon is not Ned's son, so I don't think it's retroactive.

yeah, i think that's one thing he was sure of all along

yr probably right but i much prefer the idea of ned coming back from the war and going "YES this is MY SON that i had via HAVING SEX with SOMEONE ELSE, deal with it", seems much more grim and northern

i either missed this or blotted it out of my mind because I can't bear the thought of lovely lysanna having a bastard.

*throws self in front of whitewalker*

ban brownie

i shall take my leave to Basilisk Point if anyone should enquire about my whereabouts

yr probably right but i much prefer the idea of ned coming back from the war and going "YES this is MY SON that i had via HAVING SEX with SOMEONE ELSE, deal with it", seems much more grim and northern

It's also completely, totally out of character for Ned "I am a blinding idiot when it comes to matters of honor" Stark, particularly when as far as I can remember he pretty much never acts like there's anything shameful or dishonorable about Jon's existence, even when Cat goes off on him in book 1.

yeah, but the reason he acts that way is that it is a carapace he has developed to cover the shame and guilt he feels over his bastard son

I can't wait for his 10,000 page Westeros cookbook.

The asiof cookbook is actually really good imo

i have eaten a couple dishes from it tbrr

I can't wait for his 10,000 page Westeros cookbook.

― Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Friday, April 27, 2018 6:44 PM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

look, we're all excited for winds of winter

I don't know if I'll ever read this series but I'm glad he's just writing what he feels like.

The Winds of Winter blew strong across the Plains of Abaranth. Kornth, the boy, looked up at Twer, the Dwarf, his master.

"The Winds of Winter blow strong today," said the boy.

"Yes," said the dwarf to his charge. "And it is still only summer."

"But winter is coming," said the boy.

"It is," said the dwarf, upping the pace of his stride, as much to counter the chill and as to reach his destination that much faster.

"Are we there yet?" asked the boy.

"Not far now," said the dwarf, bracing himself against another blast of cold air. The journey had been long, too long, already, and his stomach announced its presence with ever greater frequency, as if angry at the absence of sustenance. Twer tried his best to ignore it, but he could not resist its impatience call, and his mind brought him back to more bountiful times. He recalled his mother in the kitchen, cooking from a great book based on food found in several tomes of ancient legend. He remembered long nights at the long table, watching his father eat is weight in roast boar and banana pudding, washed down with ample pours of Swamp Drink. But that was a different time, a time before dragons. During the feasts, full of stories and mirth, no one ever thought the dragons would return. And now, no one ever thought the dragons would ever leave. They were like demanding house guests with unfathomable appetites and unappeasable demands, the stuff of myth for dietary needs alone who now made their nests in the charred bones of their former hosts, the skeletal remnants of the world as it was before.

That is why Twer walked as fast as his short legs would take him, and that is why Korth the boy raced to keep up. The boy was the key. That is what the Red Prophecy declared, and even if Twer had his personal doubts, his desperation was such that he was willing to put his faith in the prospects of this small child, this soon to be young man, this future king who had once faced down a dragon ... and lived.

Been a long time since I posted itt, but watching the shows has made me think about the books again.

I laughed to see GRRM putting out an angry blog about how he has not finished the books:

That seems to be happening right now. All of a sudden this crazy story about my finishing THE WINDS OF WINTER and A DREAM OF SPRING years ago is popping up everywhere. No, I am not going to provide links. I don’t want to reward purveyors of misinformation with hits.

I will, however, say for the record — no, THE WINDS OF WINTER and A DREAM OF SPRING are not finished. DREAM is not even begun; I am not going to start writing volume seven until I finish volume six

It seems absurd to me that I need to state this. The world is round, the Earth revolves around the sun, water is wet…

If he ever finishes the books and they turn out to be reasonably good, there will inevitably be a clamour for a TV adaptation of them

https://www.polygon.com/23200605/game-of-thrones-books-ending-winds-of-winter-george-r-r-martin-song-ice-fire

Diplomatic way of saying that you don't want to make the same mistakes that GOT made.

But I'm sure it's a (kings)moot point because TWOW isn't ever going to get published.

One thing I can say, in general enough terms that I will not be spoiling anything: not all of the characters who survived until the end of Game of Thrones will survive until the end of A Song of Ice and Fire, and not all of the characters who died on Game of Thrones will die in A Song of Ice and Fire. (Some will, sure. Of course. Maybe most. But definitely not all)

Something about this makes the storytelling seem kind of empty. Like playing a game to get the "good ending".

Fan reactions for genre stuff are so often centered around, ‘you killed my favorite character and ruined it for me!’ or ‘this character wasn’t punished properly’

I like his chances more than Rosemary Kirstein, Melanie Rawn and Robin McKinley. Janny Wurts and JV Jones are closing near the finish line now.

George's friend Phyllis Eisenstein finished her long running series plus another novel shortly before she died but nobody is publishing them, which is a total bummer

Forgotten Diane Duane, there's a 4th book that has been waited on for nearly 30 years now

George's friend Phyllis Eisenstein

Have you read her? I found a copy of Sorceror's Son in a Little Free Library - might give it a try.

Not yet but I bought a few things, I've heard plenty of good things.