I love 'When I Turn Off the Living Room Light' from the Great Lost Kinks album, and 'Did Ya' from the 1991 ep.
― Life Is Most Assuredly NOT a Long Song (Dr. Joseph A. Ofalt), Monday, 9 April 2012 03:11 (twelve years ago) link
Mindless Child of Motherhood is my favorite deep cut.
― Johnny Fever, Wednesday, May 18, 2011 12:56 PM (10 months ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
^^^ Absolutely.
― Oxnard Cohen (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Monday, 9 April 2012 03:17 (twelve years ago) link
I'm very very fond of just about everything on The Great Loat Kinks Album, Reprise '73. Could live w out "There Is No Life Without Love." This listing is from Wikipedia, which has some way of designating which tracks appeared on which CDs. Also, Amazon lists the whole thing on one CD (think it's all although Wiki sez a couple haven't ever been on official CD). Amazon also lists its price as over 200 bucks (asking $29 for vinyl)
1. "Til Death Do Us Part[Release 1]" (mono) 3:122. "There Is No Life Without Love[Release 2]" (mono) Dave Davies/Ray Davies 1:553. "Lavender Hill[Release 3]" (mono) 2:534. "Groovy Movies[Release 3]" (stereo) 2:305. "Rosemary Rose[Release 3]" (mono) 1:436. "Misty Water[Release 3]" (stereo) 3:017. "Mister Songbird[Release 3]" (stereo) 2:24No. Title Writer(s) Length1. "When I Turn off the Living Room Light[Release 4]" (mono) 2:172. "The Way Love Used to Be[Release 5]" (stereo) 2:113. "I'm Not Like Everybody Else[Release 2]" (mono) 3:294. "Plastic Man[Release 6]" (mono) 3:005. "This Man He Weeps Tonight[Release 6]" (stereo) Dave Davies 2:386. "Pictures in the Sand[Release 1]" (mono) 2:457. "Where Did the Spring Go?[Release 3]" (mono) 2:10
― dow, Monday, 9 April 2012 03:40 (twelve years ago) link
The Great Lost Kinks Album, sorry.
― dow, Monday, 9 April 2012 03:43 (twelve years ago) link
"Nothing More To Lose" is a great Dave cut from his first solo LP, but probably not "deep" since it received radio play when he released the album (forget the name, it was the label code or something like that).
yeah the title was bar code. i was really into this album when it came out, listened again recently and it didn't hold up save for "Nothing More to Lose"
― demolition with discretion (m coleman), Monday, 9 April 2012 04:12 (twelve years ago) link
don't know if its deep but "Im not like everybody else" is probably my favorite Kinks song fwiw
― demolition with discretion (m coleman), Monday, 9 April 2012 04:14 (twelve years ago) link
Not sure how deep it can be since I first heard of it from Greil Marcus in Mystery Train Couldn't find The Great Lost Kinks Album- the clerk, I mean the security guard, at the disc-o-mat at Grand Central said "what you looking for, kid? Oh, that's all sold out, it'll be in next week" so after a few weeks I went further downtown and got it on a copy of something called The Pye History of British Music. But I guess it's deep enough, as I learned when I requested it at Adam Roth's rock and roll challenge at Manitoba's: Handsome Dick knew it and sang a little from behind the bar but Adam didn't and furthermore he refused to allow that he was stumped on a Kinks song so he played "Victoria" instead. So I didn't get to hear him sing "Come and get your prize" instead of "Come And Get Your Love" whilst walking up to receive a thrift store paperback
― zing left unguarded, the j/k palace in flames (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 9 April 2012 05:27 (twelve years ago) link
I could also live w out "This Man He Weeps Tonight," the other track w Dave's writing, Ray helps this time, comes out as overwrought squawky-warbly etc as "There Is No Life Without Love." Somewhere I've got a CD reissue of Muswell Hillbillies with good bonus tracks, all from the MH sessions, I think. Not deep cuts, but just sayin.
― dow, Monday, 9 April 2012 13:58 (twelve years ago) link
The "Everybody's A Star" clip Tarfumes posted 10 months back is blowing my mind; Ray's on some Fee Waybill trip there. I've said this elsewhere, but I saw the Soap Opera tour back in the day, and it was absolutely incredible.
― Hey Jude, don't make it BAD MENTAL HEALTH (Dan Peterson), Monday, 9 April 2012 14:23 (twelve years ago) link
Soap Opera isn't one of my faves, but everything I've read about the tour talks intriguingly about how well it worked as a live piece (Christgau: "Maybe because it works so perfectly in the theater, this doesn't seem to work too well anywhere else.")
― Dancing with Mr. T (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Monday, 9 April 2012 14:39 (twelve years ago) link
Yeah, the songs themselves are only fair to middling (I have a big soft spot for the goofy music hall "Holiday Romance") but it was a wonderful rock theater performance.
― Hey Jude, don't make it BAD MENTAL HEALTH (Dan Peterson), Monday, 9 April 2012 15:03 (twelve years ago) link
I like "Holiday in Waikiki." The lyrics are hilarious too, and perhaps more relevant now than ever.
― Poliopolice, Monday, 9 April 2012 15:10 (twelve years ago) link
"Can't Stop The Music." And you know what? It's true. See? You're trying, but you CAN'T STOP THE MUSIC.
― henry s, Tuesday, 10 April 2012 02:05 (twelve years ago) link
As a Kinks dilettante, this poll is becoming very enlightening for me. A trend is emerging. They seem to stash a few absolutely world-class songs on these dense concept albums that look like a chore to wade through. You couldn't pay me to sit through Schoolboys in Disgrace, yet No More Looking Back is a masterpiece. It's quite confounding.
― kornrulez6969, Tuesday, 10 April 2012 03:16 (twelve years ago) link
I actually think Schoolboys is the best of those. It's by far the most consistent, and seems to be the only occurrence (out of the run from Preservation to Soap Opera) of Davies' theatrical concept actually resulting in a solid, engaging record.
― Dancing with Mr. T (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Tuesday, 10 April 2012 04:04 (twelve years ago) link
Doing some googling I discovered that the Soap Opera tour actually opened in my hometown (St. Paul, MN.) By the time it headed east the setlist was:
The Spectrum, Philadelphia, PA – April 20th, 1975Disc 1 (52:46): Introduction (part 1), Here Comes Flash, Here Comes Yet Another Day, Demolition, Mirror Of Love, Money Talks, band intro., Celluloid Heroes, Banana Boat Song, Lola, Alcohol, Skin And Bones, You Really Got Me, All Day And All Of The NightDisc 2 (61:23): Intro (part 2), Everybody’s A Star (Starmaker) / Dialogue / Everybody’s A Star, dialogue, Ordinary People, dialogue, Rush Hour Blues, dialogue, Nine To Five / When Work Is Over / Have Another Drink, dialogue, Underneath The Neon Sign, dialogue, You Make It All Worthwhile / dialogue / You Make It All Worthwhile, Ordinary People (reprise), dialogue / Here Comes Flash, Well Respected Man, Dedicated Follower of Fashion, Sunny Afternoon, dialogue, Ducks On the Wall, dialogue, Face In The Crowd, dialogue, You Can’t Stop The Music
My memories of the show are hazy (I was 16) but we did NOT get the first set of Preservation songs. I remember the Lola/All Day/You Really Got Me oldies portion was appended near the end of the Soap Opera songs.
― Hey Jude, don't make it BAD MENTAL HEALTH (Dan Peterson), Wednesday, 11 April 2012 14:17 (twelve years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1MDroA9qd5w&feature=relmfu
― Hey Jude, don't make it BAD MENTAL HEALTH (Dan Peterson), Wednesday, 11 April 2012 14:32 (twelve years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V5OL_dJ-vQA
― Blue Yodel No. 9 Dream (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 6 May 2013 01:39 (ten years ago) link
Well hey, this from the new reissue is pretty surprisingly great. Not sure if it appears above...https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t_YL_5-EUh0#t=152
― dlp9001, Saturday, 6 September 2014 01:25 (nine years ago) link
i feel like i have enough kinks but then i feel like i need to get all of those deluxe editions. that song sounds awesome. never heard it before
― tylerw, Saturday, 6 September 2014 01:53 (nine years ago) link
the latest reissue is a little more marginal, i think, just b/c the percy soundtrack (which takes up most of the 2nd disc) is kind of marginal. however it has some great songs, like "god's children" and "the way life used to be"
― I dunno. (amateurist), Saturday, 6 September 2014 03:03 (nine years ago) link
Was thinking of making a State of Confusion (one of their most underrated albums imho) poll thread just on the strength of these two casette-only (!!!) tracks:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u2FDvxUAIyE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WHtA5e29Hhg
― Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Friday, 11 May 2018 21:37 (five years ago) link
For B-sides I like I Gotta Move (b-side of All Day & All Of The Night) and the aforementioned I'm Not Like Everybody Else (b-side of Sunny Afternoon) a lot
― Colonel Poo, Friday, 11 May 2018 21:45 (five years ago) link
I remember hearing I'm Not Like Everybody Else playing in a furniture shop and excitedly telling my stepmother, who really could not care less.
― mfktz (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Friday, 11 May 2018 21:52 (five years ago) link
Oh and I Need You (Set Me Free B-side) as well
― Colonel Poo, Friday, 11 May 2018 21:56 (five years ago) link
Astoundingly, This Is Where I Belong is a B-side to Mr. Pleasant. How did that song not make Face To Face?
― kornrulez6969, Friday, 11 May 2018 22:31 (five years ago) link
on first listen, Soap Opera is surprisingly good - and funny
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LkDrkZDHo9I
― Hmmmmm (jamiesummerz), Monday, 23 September 2019 11:22 (four years ago) link
god, how good is this?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kr-G4JSfijg
― budo jeru, Saturday, 3 September 2022 21:44 (one year ago) link
So, using these sources as a springboard:
Dave Davies - Hidden TreasuresGreat Lost Kinks Album (Neue Revue CD)Great Lost Kinks Album (Reprise ‘73)Sanctuary CD reissues of the first eight UK studio albums
I finally took the time to take stock of all the Kinks rarities that I rate. I’m posting the list here in case anyone else might be interested. I think I’ll use this material and make a mix out of most or all of it. For now I’ve just been consulting Youtube for the tracks I don’t already have access to.
I didn’t include covers and I excluded two instrumentals from the VG sessions and one early track I don’t care for (“I Don’t Need You Anymore”). I also excluded two early versions of tunes that re-emerged later under different names, as well as nine songs that were either A) top-ten singles or B) sufficiently incorporated into the US discography for them not to seem like “deep cuts” to me.
Big discoveries for me this time around were “There’s a New World Just Opening for Me” and the LOLA bonus track I posted above (“Anytime”).
I’m unsure if I missed anything important. I’m posting now while I’m feeling enthusiastic and am happy to go back and revise later.
― budo jeru, Saturday, 3 September 2022 22:21 (one year ago) link
[Demos / songwriting / non-studio]I Believed YouI’m a Hog for You BabyRevengeTell Me Now So I’ll KnowI Go to SleepAll Night StandA Little Bit of SunlightThere’s a New World Just Opening for MeThis I KnowStrange Effect
[Early singles and B-sides, bonus tracks from s/t and Kinda Kinks]I Took My Baby HomeYou Still Want MeYou Do Something to MeIt's All RightI Gotta Move Never Met a Girl Like You Before
[Kinksize Session and Kwyet Kinks EPs]I Gotta Go NowI’ve Got That FeelingThings Are Getting BetterWait Till the Summer Comes AlongSuch a ShameDon’t You Fret
[Kinda Kinks / Face to Face bonus tracks]Sittin’ on My SofaAnd I Will Love YouTime Will TellDead End StreetBig Black SmokeMr. PleasantThis Is Where I BelongLittle Women
[Dave Davies lost album]Susannah's Still Alive This Man He Weeps Tonight Mindless Child Of Motherhood Hold My Hand Do You Wish To Be A Man Are You Ready Creeping Jean Crying Lincoln County Mr. Shoemaker's DaughterMr. Reporter Groovy Movies There's No Life Without LoveGood Luck Charm
[Village Green bonus / Great Lost Kinks]DaysMr. SongbirdPollyWonderboyBerkeley MewsMisty WatersEasy Come, There You WentDid You See His NameLavender HillRosemary RoseWhere Did My Spring GoKing KongTil Death Do Us PartWhen I Turn Off the Living Room LightPlastic ManPictures in the Sand
[Lola bonus tracks]AnytimeThe Good Life
― budo jeru, Saturday, 3 September 2022 22:22 (one year ago) link
i'm already noticing some factual errors in my rationale for inclusion but i need to stop posting for today and, in any case, need to leave something for Tom D. to do on the board
― budo jeru, Saturday, 3 September 2022 22:23 (one year ago) link
oh god ... i posted the list without the "Something Else"-era tracks, but obviously "autumn almanac" and "act nice and gentle" would be included on my list
― budo jeru, Saturday, 3 September 2022 22:33 (one year ago) link
Your list is pretty good, seems to be missing “The Way Love Used to Be.”
― When Harpo Played His ARP (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 3 September 2022 23:12 (one year ago) link
And “God’s Children.” (Seems you overlooked Percy) And “I’m Not Like Everybody Else.” Guess this is a fool’s errand, a mug’s game.)
― When Harpo Played His ARP (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 3 September 2022 23:16 (one year ago) link
holy moly the BBC Sessions versions of the Preservation songs are awesome, I just discovered those last week
― sleeve, Saturday, 3 September 2022 23:18 (one year ago) link
all the tunes from the LP "percy" are available on the LP "percy" ok?
"i'm not like everybody else" i put in the same category as "dedicated follower of fashion" and "well respected man", either present on key US releases or i've heard them enough to feel like they belong to the same core body of work as the first eight UK LPs. maybe because of the bonus tracks present on certain CDs i had when i was first getting into them. just a personal thing, of course. the other exclusions would be:
All Day and All of the NightSet Me FreeI Need YouSee My FriendsEv'rybody's Gonna Be HappyWho'll Be the Next in Line
BUT the big one i did forget was the B-side to "days", the excellent "she's got everything"
― budo jeru, Sunday, 4 September 2022 04:07 (one year ago) link
I know of the existence of Percy, not sure how often I even came across a physical copy if ever, think I tried to listen to a digital copy recently. Not going to go to the mat for this, but both “The Way Love Used to Be,” and “I’m Not Like Everybody Else” were both on The Great Lost Kinks Album, so hard not to think of them as deeper cuts at least at one point. I couldn’t find TGLKA so bought something called The Pye History of British Music: The Kinks in order to hear the second of those songs.
― When Harpo Played His ARP (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 4 September 2022 04:32 (one year ago) link
just a personal thing, of course.
― budo jeru, Sunday, 4 September 2022 04:55 (one year ago) link
having said that, and opening this up to the possibility of a collaborative ILM list of "all" kinks B-sides and rarities, you could arguably add "percy" and maybe the eight tracks i excluded (because "all day and all of the night" wouldn't make much sense), and then you'd have a pretty robust list of B-sides and rarities, 1963-1970. at that point i wonder what others would wish to add.
― budo jeru, Sunday, 4 September 2022 05:01 (one year ago) link
Not that big a Kinks fan, but am I the only one who thinks "Only a Dream" from Phobia is great?
― Hideous Lump, Sunday, 4 September 2022 05:08 (one year ago) link
Budo, my nonlp compilation is here:
https://open.spotify.com/playlist/26hwfNCgFmUxF3ZO8byaSJ?si=04d3845e664a4ba7
tracks 1-15 = 64-65 highlights16-29 = 66-67 30-41 = 68-early 69 ray songs (little lost kinks album)42-52 = 68-69 dave songs (little lost dave album)53-64 = 69-73 nonlp65-86 = early nonlp stuff I don't consider highlights (the rest)87-120 = some interesting alternates
It's been a few years since I checked but I believe all the early nonlp songs are accounted for, about 6 lp's worth of songs in their first six years alone...
― mig (guess that dreams always end), Sunday, 4 September 2022 06:16 (one year ago) link
I guess it's objectively bad, but I always laugh when I listen to "Don't Ever Let Me Go", which was a 1964 outtake on Picture Book. Despite the sheer shameless cramming of the "You Really Got Me" riff into the chord progression, it's actually more catchy and fun than almost all of the first album:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O5fWNzoo2zM
"History" from the Everybody's in Showbiz deluxe package is intriguing:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=53JLIsqTQWU
"Anytime" is well-produced but the chorus is a letdown. I'm glad that someone enjoys "Only a Dream" but I just watched the video and was cringing; then I cringe at myself for cringing at them, like I should be more accepting after all they've given us.
― Halfway there but for you, Sunday, 4 September 2022 15:07 (one year ago) link
There are those who believe "Don't Ever Let Me Go" was the earlier version of You Really Got Me (because the guitar sounds cleaner) but I buy the theory that it was just meant for possible album filler use. There's yet another rewrite that is sadly still unreleased, Listen to Me:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uqF-Chmc31c
― mig (guess that dreams always end), Sunday, 4 September 2022 15:28 (one year ago) link
thanks for sharing your playlist! i will cf. w/ the list i have
― budo jeru, Sunday, 4 September 2022 18:07 (one year ago) link
Yeah, liking that playlist, thanks.
― When Harpo Played His ARP (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 4 September 2022 20:33 (one year ago) link
this is a cool bootleg:
https://www.discogs.com/release/15872751-The-Kinks-Glenhenry-Winners
― Thus Sang Freud, Sunday, 4 September 2022 21:55 (one year ago) link
What's the best bang for the buck CD versions of the first eight albums?
― Gerald McBoing-Boing, Monday, 5 September 2022 16:25 (one year ago) link
probably this one
https://www.discogs.com/release/2212710-The-Kinks-The-Pye-Album-Collection
― sleeve, Monday, 5 September 2022 16:32 (one year ago) link
the most definitive imo is this one, but it's expensive
https://www.discogs.com/master/2575784-The-Kinks-In-Mono
― sleeve, Monday, 5 September 2022 16:34 (one year ago) link
I'd go with the latter, the one produced by Andrew Sandoval. Sound-wise it's not great, but I think the cheaper option is more or less the late '90s mastering which was awful. Sandoval's has the best presentation so it gets the nod by default.
― birdistheword, Monday, 5 September 2022 17:20 (one year ago) link
FWIW, the original PRT CD's from the '80s are surprisingly the best in terms of sound quality. They're reportedly straight transfers of the first-generation tapes with no added compression, noise/hiss reduction or questionable equalization. However they favor stereo, which is great in the case of Arthur but less so with the earlier albums.
This mastering was generally used for most '80s CD's outside of the U.S. (Reprise in the U.S. used the production copies in their vaults for their CD releases), so they're not rare. However, they did make some mistakes, and some pressings introduced a few new ones. Copied from elsewhere:
• The UK and WG PRT discs of the debut are different. The UK is superior. The WG has imbalanced EQ, the right channel is louder and bassier than the left.
• The UK Arthur (CDMP 8835) was mastered too loud and ended up with a lot of clipped peaks. That problem doesn't affect the WG disc.
• The Castle Classics series (catalog number starts with CLACD) basically duplicates the PRT masters, but with swapped channels on all stereo titles except Village Green. The debut is actually based on the superior UK PRT, not the inferior WG one.
• Both PRTs and the CLACD for Lola are missing the drum-roll intro to "Top Of The Pops". However, the WG and CLACD are also missing the count-in to "The Contenders", which is intact on the UK.
• I don't know if it was ever conclusively established whether the two alternate mixes of "Tin Soldier Man" and "Situation Vacant" on Something Else are vintage remixes or if they were done specifically for the CD. Either way, on the PRT/CLACD, those two songs are not the original album mixes.
• Apart from Kinda Kinks and Kontroversy, all of the albums are in stereo, while all of the compilations are in mono (bar "Victoria" and "Apeman").
― birdistheword, Monday, 5 September 2022 17:27 (one year ago) link
Sandoval? The Monkees guy? Hmm.
― When Harpo Played His ARP (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 5 September 2022 17:28 (one year ago) link
Yup, that guy, but he worked for Rhino and produced a shit ton of stuff. He did all of the Band's reissues in the early '00s, Elvis Costello's two-disc reissues, etc.
(WG is West Germany)
― birdistheword, Monday, 5 September 2022 17:29 (one year ago) link
The Band's obviously Capitol, not Rhino, but whatever, he still did them
― birdistheword, Monday, 5 September 2022 17:31 (one year ago) link
sandoval also has a long-standing show on wfmu fwiw: https://wfmu.org/playlists/CZ
― Thus Sang Freud, Monday, 5 September 2022 17:45 (one year ago) link
The Sanctuary single discs from the late '90s are worth picking up disc by disc. They all have fantastic bonus stuff and every title through Village Green was in mono. BMG also did a budget reissue of one of the early US cash-in albums, which picks up the essential stray tracks from that period not on those other early albums.
― an icon of a worried-looking, long-haired, bespectacled man (C. Grisso/McCain), Monday, 5 September 2022 17:49 (one year ago) link
FWIW, Sandoval's deluxe two-disc issues of each album scoops up more or less all of the bonus stuff found on the Sanctuary discs (as well as other stuff they missed). The Sanctuary discs should be dirt cheap - don't pay more than a few bucks for them. I don't like him because I hate the way they were mastered, but if you're on a budget and need to save money, they're one way to go.
― birdistheword, Monday, 5 September 2022 18:39 (one year ago) link