rolling 2012 UKG interzone bubblers thread

http://soundcloud.com/swindleuk/do-the-jazz

http://soundcloud.com/twoplates/swindle-feat-takura-have-a-go

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yxHtclUAyLo&feature=related

i always try to bookmark these songs in my mind to hear when they come out and then forget them by the time they do

i mean the swindle ones in this case, not particularly excited about joe goddard's work

The CRST guys are pretty wicked.

http://soundcloud.com/theratcatcher/nightlife-cat003

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h3Sd5GW00qo

Kinda suprised Disclosure are getting plays by him they sound like a bad generic post-dubstep impressions to me.

Oh yeah check the P Jam mix he did for us: http://www.sonicrouter.com/2012/02/p-jam-sonic-router-x-uncle-albert-mix/ its full of these vibes.

Hypnosis by Illmana

http://boomkat.com/downloads/469521-illmana-menace-ep

JG - Skip

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_mIRzMqG9dQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RhvccM6UOnY

Mistamen

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qM1zCJa1RLg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vxnGHM97WZE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KkSgShjzY60

speaking of mista men, this remix of shox's tombstone is amazing:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rqaPUSwoZMc

I think this might be my new favorite thread.

I Can't Wait by Brackles

http://www.redeyerecords.co.uk/asp/view_product.asp?id=30555

speaking of which, the brackles album is pretty great.

I've not heard it yet, but I'm looking forward to it.

Looking forward to this coming out too.

http://soundcloud.com/twoplates/ruby-lee-ryder-terror-danjah

Mista Men

1. Mella Dee - The Way It Was (Unreleased)
2. Loki Boi - One House (MIsta Men's Mr Bumps House Remix) (Young Gunz)
3. Mista Men - Relentless (Unreleased)
4. Mella Dee - Confetti (Unreleased)
5. Mista Men - Hard Drive (Unknown To The Unknown)
6. Mista Men - Babycham (Greenmoney)
7. Mella Dee - Gourmet (Unreleased)
8. Mista Men - Forget U (Unknown To The Unknown)
9. Palace - Mandy (Mista Men Up Norf Mix) (Unknown To The Unknown)
10. Mista Men & Clientele - Juice (Unreleased)
11. Mella Dee & Squarehead - Untitled (Unreleased)
12. Mista Men - Lambrini (Unknown To The Unknown)
13. Mista Men Ft Detboi - I Move Closer (Deep Thrills)

http://blackdownsoundboy.blogspot.co.uk/2012/05/meet-mista-men.html

They flag up some sweet bumpy tracks.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FuGOiohEVcU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=laRmYYuUZ5c

CRST where on this week

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b01hjmkp#segments

Mz Bratt ft Donae'o - Rocket Launcher:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-aD-5gd37As

No sleeping.

I love "Flow." I knew I'd find something I like on this thread. Still sifting through things.

mz bratt is kind of astounding "rocket launcher" huh

can't cosign the jungle-revival beat at all though

it sounds like it's actually literally from the 90s

and?

Mz Bratt over desi beats...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p00tjpss

this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vLG4lQVddN8

...and the remix pack is wonderful. The R1 Ryders remix, in particular, is amazing. Very rush-y.

Just how good can Disclosure get????

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yoQa6G8wyiQ&feature=share

They're getting better but I still think they have a way to go before they step out of just being another post-dubstep impersonator, this one sounds like an old fantastic mr fox remix of diffrent letrix which would have been alright in 09 or something but now sounds kinda dated to me. Its nice and slick, production is good, but the beats and ideas are so generic it just doesn't stick with me. Plus they're really bad at cut up vocals. Kinda suprised you dig it didn't think you where into that stright up post-dubstep vibe.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-1NpJFDrRq8

Fantastic Mr Fox is good at beats but never had any interest in making pop tunes. One of my annoyances about future garage and a lot of post-dubstep copping from 2-step was always how it wanted to suck the sonic ideas out of it while carefully extracting the pop quotient and leaving it on the side of the plate.

And more generally it's funny that you complain "this is so 2009" rather than "this is so 1999".

Fantastic Mr Fox is good at beats but never had any interest in making pop tunes.

don't think this is true at all!

I suppose it depends on whether and how you distinguish between "features vocals" and "pop".

right, i think some of his instrumentals are the most overtly pop (down to the chord changes & structure, some of them even have a bridge!).

I dunno I don't hear anything pop in Disclosure no more or less so than anyone like Fantastic Mr Fox, Joy Orbison, Bashmore, etc bar the fact they get play on more mainstream radio sometimes, but then its not something that crosses my mind much in general not much of a pop guy myself. Its defo more 09 post-dubstep influenced, sounds nothing like 99 garage to me.

Loving everything I've heard from Disclosure, was never a fan of Orbison or Bashmore bar Battle For Middle You (ergh but what a terrible title). Not sure why this is the case either.

I'm checking out Fantastic Mr Fox now and it sounds completely different to me, at least the Evelyn EP and Sketches remind me at times of Mount Kimbie, feels kind of busy and more informed by electronica in general. Which tracks should I be listening to here?

One of my annoyances about future garage and a lot of post-dubstep copping from 2-step was always how it wanted to suck the sonic ideas out of it while carefully extracting the pop quotient and leaving it on the side of the plate.

totally agree - "pop" is really a dirty word to a lot of these people, you feel

i think it's okay for music to not be pop music

sure but it's not okay for music to be completely dry and boring

To be clear, i'm not saying all 2-steppy post-dubstep other than Disclosure is dry and boring, more that it seems kinda self-evident to me why this particular stuff gets played by DJ Q and the like whereas Fantastic Mr Fox, Joy Orbison, Damu etc. (all of whom I think are excellent at times, esp. Damu - and a good example of how you can by hypercolourful and songful but not really pop in the same way) do not.

"Pop" isn't even quite the word for it - it's more a sort of bounciness and bubbliness that tunes either have or they don't.

It hardly surprises me that jimi doesn't hear the distinctions I'm hearing - we've had similar divisions before where I see a real faultline between juiciness and studiousness and he doesn't at all and seems to focus more on technical/arrangement similarities and distinctions (hope I'm not misrepresenting you jimi).

I mean, that distinction is one of the reasons I started this thread as distinct from just posting to rolling dance partisans.

Nah we defo hear things diffrently its why I like coming on here to see whats going down.

Theres a load of crossover in this and the partisans stuff anyway for me at least, I mean I've been repping for CRST, Mista Men etc for years. Just with Disclosure I don't feel like they really fit here and really do in the partisans thread. I find them a bit dry and boring. But then I lean toward more of the chunky swung bits and skipy grime/bassline with Q anyway. Just thought it was kind of interesting where the Disclosure love is coming from in this kinda scene. To me it seems like an odd fit.

Agreed with Damu he's ace. One of the only guys doing this hypercoloured sound I'm really feeling at the mo. But then he sounds pretty diffrent I get more of a house lean to Disclosure.

No Disclosure track has jumped out at me yet they don't feel like they've founds their feet at all yet. They sound to me like any old soundcloud producer playing at stright up post-dubstep tropes at the moment, which there are so many of. I mean why do I need to hear a track of theirs when bits like them where done well not so long ago and they're not adding to it yet. I dunno if they'd stand out at all a few years ago when this kinda stuff was at its peak. Maybe they'll grow into a vibe of their own a bit in the future mind.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IKOPsnzcG9k

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wEPgQc1IQzw

I completely understand this connection, between post-dubstep and Disclosure, of course. I find them way more vibey, aimed right at the dancefloor, rather than continuously foregrounding production tricks that may or may not add something extra to a track as dance music. Plus Disclosure really have this nice influence from UKG that feels like a genuine influence, rather than nostalgia or something mashed together with all kinds of other UK dance genres.

I hear more of a house vibe than a UKG one. There is lots of very busy not very dance floory post-dubstep tho yeah Fantastic Mr Fox does verg on the busy, there is something more simple about Disclosure thats why I'd put them closer to older Joy Orbison or some Julio Bashmore for the most part, even Huxley or Dusky. Its that shiny tech house vibe with a bit more bass and a slight swing. But I wouldn't go as far as to say they're swung/skippy enough to be compared to garage.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wLQ4ywMeh2c

i mean that's basically what keeps me from posting on this thread about stuff i like like pattern and well rounded, it's basically just bouncy tech house w some skippy dan bell influence and some skippy uk influence but it's really a stretch to call it anything but house

There seems to be a lot of it about at the moment. The other weekend at Glade Festival I heard Appleblim, Mosca, Addison Groove all do pretty much stright up tech house sets with a little skip here and there. I can only take so much of it in a row tbh. However much I like some of the tracks, all at once it get tired fast.

i've mainly been a 4x4 techno / house listener for years now tbh so it's all good to me, kind of livens up the usual gear

Yeah it does sound nice mixed in with house/techno but on its own I just found it boring, there wasn't much variation going on. Sometimes DJs make tracks I like sound boring by the way they mix them, selection around them or whatever and this was the case here for the most part.

My experience of Disclosure is mixed in with grime and bassline and etc where it comes across as relatively straight (but still bouncy) - though of course there's full on house tunes that DJ Q plays that are straighter.

In this regard it's interesting listening to jackin' house (which DJ Q plays a bit of) which is trying to squeeze the bubbling vibe out of an even straighter post electro-house template.

But this whole vibe - what I mean when I say "UKG interzone bubbler" - is not really about strict stylistic demarcations so much as a kind of sonic-spiritual affiliation, an "if it's bumpin..." imperative which, again, seems intuitively obvious to me but I'd have difficulty articulating exactly what it is so I don't blame people for not seeing it.

I know it seems a bit doctrinaire, but the "would DJ Q play it" rule of thumb is a pretty good one.

Yeah its good rule of thumb, just like I said above some DJs can make tracks I like sound boring by the way they play them and other like DJ Q can play something I'm not that into sound damn good. I guess I'd rather hear Disclosure in a DJ Q mix than in one of their own or alongside some more tasteful house. It does make it sound more exciting or at least beefs it up a little when you mix it energeticly with harder stuff.

One another note this was on the last DJ Q show...

Mella Dee - Fazed

http://soundcloud.com/forefrontrecordings/sets/mella-dee-ruff-cuts-ep-fore005

Feeling this 12", its good to hear something with a bit of rudeness at such a low tempo.

really like the Everything Everything too

lol I mean Eats Everything

http://soundcloud.com/eatseverything/eats-everything-justin-martin

^ luvvit

the people are hankering for double bass revival in general imo

http://soundcloud.com/the_emperor/emperor-she-said-out-may-13th

see it deyah

I dunno... "It's the bubbles of nothing that make it really something" is probably my favorite out of those. I'll try to think of something, but the keywords ineffable and bubblers are kind of restrictive.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C-82P05vgM0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Pj8TM40zc0

i'm going to have to say it again arent i? THIS FUCKING TUNE.

wow how did this ukg thread manage to turn into a "bass house" thread which doesn't have anything to do with ukg

That's a rookie mistake durrr.

insult to rookies

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vTEsu7yiuGA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gLWDay_HWKk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6tRNRvdU0oQ

taiki & nulight really finding their feet now. bit of the grime aggro in there i've been impatiently waiting on

like they're that rare commodity, not bubblers or rollers or droppers or vibsers but slammers, they fling their tracks at your wall

where is my darling mind taker these days btw, i assume he still listens to music

still do, yeah!

love Taiki & Nulight's "Take Me Up", here are some other things i'm loving right now too:

DevelopMENT - Bring Me Alive
Justin Martin & Eats Everything - The Gettup
Cause & Affect - Mistakes
House Monkeyz & Thomas Graham - Lost
DJ Q - Big
Paul Sirrell - You Must Be
Alix Perez feat. Sam Wills - Annie's Song (Shadow Child Remix)
Jay-Z - 99 Problems (It's a F***king Benny Rich Bootleg v1)
Baby Blue - Bumps (TS7 Remix)
Ejeca - On
Infinity Ink - Infinity (Skream's 99 Remix)
Republic - Stroke It Baby
Laura Smith - Kriminal (Benny Rich Remix)
Foamo - Sherlock (Kry Wolf Remix)
Dirty Playa & Paul Lawrence - The Rain
Tomola & Marc Spence - Be There
Silverstar - Music Is Magic (DCUP Deep Bitch Remix) **
Caserta - Change Your Mind (Scott Diaz Remix)
Davey Ecko & Thomas Graham - Better Believe
Katorski - Nicole

** haha love how thoroughly the former haven of super respectful & reverent touchy-feely geeks that was deep house has been hijacked by the happy-go-lucky vulgar types, like blog-houser Dcup branding his stabs at 'deep house' as DEEP BITCH remixes or when certifiedjackin on fb wrote something along the lines of 'hey guys i wanna start a new deep house youtube channel do you have a suggestion for a name, ie BALLS DEEP?'

I think the real demarcation these days is less between abstract vs songful and more along production values lines.

This is where a distinction between say 1999 garage and 2001 garage really makes sense, the earlier stuff still retaining a kind of vinyl warmth and almost-"deepness" and the later stuff sounding like the contrast has been turned up - heavier but more plasticky beats, exaggerated bass but also exaggerated treble... a generalised air of hyperreality.

This (rather than pop vs abstraction or lightness vs heaviness) is probably the key point of distinction between "future garage" and the stuff that Q plays, only it's even more extreme now, future garage being "deep" to the point where it has to shun anything that might interfere with that, and the Q interzone retaining (albeit as a kind of reigning principle rather than a clearly defined sonic property) the sickly harshness of bassline.

― Tim F, Thursday, July 5, 2012 11:18 PM (11 months ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

UKG is in love with defacing and desecrating all binaries, including the binary I attempted to draw only a year ago.

"Basslime" is way funnier to me than it deserves to be.

sophie - bipp. that's all i gotta say

kinda wanna tell you it's the rong thread but i'll let it slide

that's why i think we need a return of the partisans thread.

let's not get carried away now

hmm "bipp" is not exactly as great as "nothing more to say"

http://soundcloud.com/jeremysylvester/jeremy-sylvester-mini-mix-deep

cant really be bovd to dress it up right now but just know this is a very proper mix and i cosign it fully

dutch garage!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v3qByeqYG5A

killer ukg x bouncy techno one-off

Nice, Netherlands-styles.

feel sad i still can't find a way into this shuffle deep tech thing... don't wanna be old yet :/

have you tried going out and dancing to it? (you're in london, right?)

not a snarky question, btw - don't know if you're into clubbing or not but in that type of situation it's usually the way to go

anyone fuck with this?

https://soundcloud.com/lidogotsongs/lido-canblaster-superspeed-1

is there such a thing as maximalist garage? i kinda love it

The Lido & Canblaster EP this is from is incredible* but it's much more in the vein of Rustie and Hudson Mohawke than anything DJ Q would play on his show.

(*incredible = I can't decide if I love or hate it but I was definitely struck by it on my first listen)

created by robots for me to etc.

https://soundcloud.com/felixzuppe/felix-zuppe-one-two-step-original-mix-2

shorterz/kenny

https://soundcloud.com/rinsefm/tomshorterz260116

made a DJ Q-style mix of recent favourites:

https://soundcloud.com/mind-taker/house-garage-may-2016

G-Eazy & Bebe Rexha - Me, Myself & I (Lost Kings Remix)
Vato Gonzalez & Mucky - Violet Nights
Futuristic - Back n Forth
Mij Mack - Shukka
TAISUN - Senorita
Flume feat. Kai - Never Be Like You (Disclosure Remix)
Bixel Boys & Poupon - Ain't Your Girl
Dumblonde - You Got Me
RELOAD - Rehab
Dombresky - Gloary
Hybrid Theory - Code 3
Rich Wakley - The Wolf of Old Street
Saint Tropez Caps feat. Damae - Human Nature (Luca Debonaire Remix)
Sleepy Tom feat. Tonye - Seeing Double
Joshua Brooks & Chris Gresswell - Taken
Alina Baraz & Galimatias - Make You Feel (Le Youth Remix)
Matoma & Astrid S - Running Out (Throttle x Niko the Kid Remix)
Petey Clicks & Sinden - Feels
Shadow Child - Work
Destructo feat. Ty Dolla $ign - 4 Real (Chris Lorenzo Remix)
Chris Lorenzo - Scarecrow
Hybrid Theory & Trilla - Dutty
As I Am - All Away (Tom Shorterz Remix)
Mikey B feat. Dakota Sixx - Over It
Sigala feat. Imani & DJ Fresh - Say You Do (TS7 Remix)