What's he got, one ring?
and Luis Sojo has 3 or 4, so your point?
Similar Batters through Age 31
Willie Mays (907) * Frank Robinson (891) * Duke Snider (876) * Manny Ramirez (874) Juan Gonzalez (871) Hank Aaron (869) * Mickey Mantle (843) * Ken Griffey (839) Goose Goslin (837) * Al Simmons (831) *
― Dr Morbius, Tuesday, 12 February 2008 21:15 (sixteen years ago) link
HOF Standards: Batting - 48.7 (Average HOFer ≈ 50) HOF Monitor: Batting - 174.0 (Likely HOFer > 100)
― Dr Morbius, Tuesday, 12 February 2008 21:23 (sixteen years ago) link
The One Ring was created by the Dark Lord Sauron during the Second Age in order to gain dominion over the free peoples of Middle-earth. In disguise as Annatar, or "Lord of Gifts", he aided the Elven smiths of Eregion and their leader Celebrimbor in the making of the Rings of Power. He then forged the One Ring himself in the fires of Mount Doom. He intended it to be the most powerful of all Rings, able to rule and control the others (as long as their owners wore them). Since the other Rings were extremely powerful, Sauron was obliged to place most of his native power, life force and will into it to effect his purpose. there were certain pros & cons to this. The pros was that as long as the Ring existed, it was literally quite impossible to remove him from the mortal plane. On the other hand, the cons that the Ring possessed was that if he were to lose the Ring, he would also lose a great deal of his own power (when it was cut off from his hand, he lost/forsook a physical body for at least another 2500 years), and if the Ring were to be destroyed, he too would be vanquished in the process.
― omar little, Tuesday, 12 February 2008 21:25 (sixteen years ago) link
of that list i guess only igor, manny and jr. wore batting gloves
― Tracer Hand, Tuesday, 12 February 2008 22:01 (sixteen years ago) link
Montreal's turf (& maybe swinging at everything w/ 150% effort) messed him up. ;_;
Also: no rings. ;_;
Also: the Angels hitters aside from Vlad kinda blow. u_u
But: vladimir guerrero!!! :D
― David R., Tuesday, 12 February 2008 22:39 (sixteen years ago) link
LAAoA: worst team name in sports? I can't think of many worse ones. Maybe Wash'n Redskins, or FC United.
― Will M., Tuesday, 12 February 2008 23:01 (sixteen years ago) link
http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i134/dgoobl/VladTavares.jpg
― G00blar, Tuesday, 12 February 2008 23:47 (sixteen years ago) link
http://www.sbnation.com/mlb/2013/9/14/4729002/vladimir-guerrero-retires-mlb
Okay...didn't realize this needed to be done.
― clemenza, Saturday, 14 September 2013 19:32 (ten years ago) link
these days, Wladimir Balentien (sp?) is where it's at
― Miss Arlington twirls for the Coal Heavers (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 15 September 2013 03:26 (ten years ago) link
one of my favorite players ever
― sing, all ye shitizens of slumerica (k3vin k.), Sunday, 15 September 2013 03:31 (ten years ago) link
vlad, that is
http://noontimebaseball.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/VladGuerrero_070701_throwhome.gif
― buzza, Sunday, 15 September 2013 03:55 (ten years ago) link
that gif is inhuman
― johnny crunch, Sunday, 15 September 2013 04:02 (ten years ago) link
sure felt like a HOFer when he played, but man he fell off fast. still rooting for him tho, even if he has less WAR than kenny lofton
― fuck your movie theater yacht (zachlyon), Sunday, 15 September 2013 04:35 (ten years ago) link
jk i'd vote for lofton too
thought about starting a thread for him, but don't wanna jump the gun yet
vlad guerrero jr, the top prospect in baseball. absolutely TEARING UP double-A ball right now -- hitting .400/.450/.650. he just turned 19
and there's this: https://www.baseballamerica.com/stories/video-vlad-jr-homers-twice-once-off-a-hotel/
― k3vin k., Wednesday, 9 May 2018 23:45 (five years ago) link
i'm all for this thread. i want him to be amazing.
― obviously DLC (Karl Malone), Wednesday, 9 May 2018 23:46 (five years ago) link
may as well keep it on this thread anyway, maybe? if there were ilb threads back in the bobby bonds and ken griffey days it would have been fun to see them morph into the barry and griffey jr era.
― obviously DLC (Karl Malone), Wednesday, 9 May 2018 23:48 (five years ago) link
Popular topic on the call-in shows here, obviously. According to one of them the other day, the team scouts almost unanimously say he's ready to play in the majors now, that he's not learning anything where he is. The ownership seems to have a timetable of their own. I expect he'll be up for good no later than April of next year, though.
― clemenza, Wednesday, 9 May 2018 23:55 (five years ago) link
(Donaldson complicates the issue somewhat.)
― clemenza, Wednesday, 9 May 2018 23:56 (five years ago) link
i'm particularly excited because not only is he amazing, but he doesn't strike out much at all
feel like they traded for gio urshela today just so they'd be able to say 'sorry we have no room for vlad jr yet'
― mookieproof, Thursday, 10 May 2018 00:01 (five years ago) link
is he still in new hampshire? i need to get off my ass and see him and bo before they move up. i think i'm closer to manchester than i am buffalo or toronto or wherever their a-ball affiliates are (not that i need to worry about a-ball anymore!)
― challops trap house (Will M.), Thursday, 10 May 2018 14:09 (five years ago) link
Me and some friends have a plan to see him when they are playing in Erie, which is the closest place to see him play. I’m starting to think there is no way he’s still going to be in AA by the time that team will be playing there though.
― Mad Piratical (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Thursday, 10 May 2018 19:39 (five years ago) link
3-for-3 this morning, now batting .414 overall -- best in the minors by 35 points
― mookieproof, Wednesday, 16 May 2018 15:56 (five years ago) link
That vid of Vlad Jr. hitting that bomb off a tee was pretty impressive. That is way harder to do than you would think.
― earlnash, Wednesday, 16 May 2018 19:09 (five years ago) link
Motion to turn title of this thred to “ gurrero & son”
― YouTube_-_funy_cats.flv (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Wednesday, 16 May 2018 19:24 (five years ago) link
Vladimir Guerrero Jr. went 4 for 4 with a walk-off homer today. It is May 20, and he's hitting .423/.468/.705 at Double-A.He's barely 19 years old.And not to sound like a broken record or anything, but he belongs in the big leagues with the Toronto Blue Jays. Like, now. https://t.co/uvuhJAsxJW— Jeff Passan (@JeffPassan) May 20, 2018
― mookieproof, Sunday, 20 May 2018 21:19 (five years ago) link
I would absolutely not bring him up this year lol
― k3vin k., Monday, 21 May 2018 02:21 (five years ago) link
no they should
― frogbs, Monday, 21 May 2018 14:13 (five years ago) link
they have every incentive to keep him in the minors (except ticket sales and fun) which sucks
otoh it's gonna be a while before they're a vlad away from seriously competing with the yankees (and to a lesser extent, the red sox); maybe they should keep him in the minors for several more years
― mookieproof, Monday, 21 May 2018 14:25 (five years ago) link
why? they play in a division with the red sox and yankees, and (I think) would lose a year of control if he gets brought up this year xp
― k3vin k., Monday, 21 May 2018 14:25 (five years ago) link
moving him up to AAA seems inevitable at least
― k3vin k., Monday, 21 May 2018 14:34 (five years ago) link
because I want to see him in the majors, that's why
I mean, you're totally right, but still
― frogbs, Monday, 21 May 2018 14:36 (five years ago) link
AA or AAA, he still really needs to work on his defense.
― Mad Piratical (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Monday, 21 May 2018 15:19 (five years ago) link
The year's a write-off, so--besides reasons already given--there's no point. I was open to bringing him up at some point when the team looked competitive, but bring him up now, and he'll probably end up in mop-up relief or something.
― clemenza, Monday, 21 May 2018 16:08 (five years ago) link
I don't know, I have the Braves in mind and how they are competing with young players and sure perhaps it's an outlier. However, there is some sort of cognitive dissonance with the idea that since the Jays aren't competing right now, there's no need to bring in one of their best players on board. Five games away from the wild card in late may, what is there to lose?
On the other hand, I think Thermo is right about the defense.
― Van Horn Street, Monday, 21 May 2018 18:39 (five years ago) link
What kind of bothers me in regards to the Jays future is, while we’ve got some serious bats coming up (Alford, Biggio, Bichette, Smith, Jansen) we don’t have much in the way of pitching. Pearson I like a lot, tho he’s hurt right now and Borucki might be ok... but I feel like bringing up Vlad too soon brings him out of synch with the others. I get that he’s more advanced than any other prospect in the system but I don’t see a need to rush him if it doesn’t serve a purpose.
― Mad Piratical (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Tuesday, 22 May 2018 03:48 (five years ago) link
He'll get called up in September for sure. As for calling up the prospects and letting them develop in the majors (like the Braves and Astros), it won't happen. The Jays haven't done that since the early 80's.
― NoTimeBeforeTime, Tuesday, 22 May 2018 13:23 (five years ago) link
to quote zack cozart, this is bad for baseball. the best players should be in the majors, regardless of age or years of control. the cubs/braves gaming a couple weeks to get an extra year of bryant/acuna is, while bad, one thing, but stashing a guy for months/years is unacceptable. if the jays keep him down it may be smart given the current incentives, but it's something that baseball as a whole should address
― mookieproof, Tuesday, 22 May 2018 14:07 (five years ago) link
agreed
― k3vin k., Tuesday, 22 May 2018 14:39 (five years ago) link
agreed here, too.
on the other hand, i guess it's good for AA baseball
― obviously DLC (Karl Malone), Tuesday, 22 May 2018 14:57 (five years ago) link
saw people on twitter celebrating 'the guerrero news' but it turned out to be about peru's world cup captain : /
― mookieproof, Thursday, 31 May 2018 23:03 (five years ago) link
last I checked he was hitting like .440
― k3vin k., Thursday, 31 May 2018 23:50 (five years ago) link
.417/.465/.701 with 21 strikeouts in 216 plate appearances
in a league in which he is -5.3 years younger than average
<3
― mookieproof, Friday, 1 June 2018 00:05 (five years ago) link
i also side with zack cozart on this issue
― obviously DLC (Karl Malone), Friday, 1 June 2018 00:18 (five years ago) link
but if he's not going to promoted it would be nice to see him hit .450 or do something bonkers
So it's obviously bad for baseball fans that Guerrero is not playing in the majors right now but on top of that... I wonder how the current Blue Jays squad feel about not getting the necessary reinforcements to win games. As players of major league caliber, their whole life is set upon competing at baseball, and then their management is throwing the towel 45 games into the season and decides not to bring in potential help to win games. It must be so frustrating, if not downright deflating. 'Nah you guys are not quite worth losing one year of Guerrero's contract, sorry'.
― Van Horn Street, Sunday, 3 June 2018 20:35 (five years ago) link
boo hoo lol
― k3vin k., Sunday, 3 June 2018 20:38 (five years ago) link
I can see them thinking that way in another context--later in the year, somewhat closer--but I can't believe anybody on this team thinks Guerrero's going to launch them into contention. Something I come across in a lot of books is how, 50 years ago, some veterans would be very supportive of younger players (e.g., Musial), but most would treat them like dirt. I don't know how many of those guys still exist--money has changed everything; veterans don't feel as threatened anymore--but if they do, they're probably thinking this Double-A guy sure does get a fuck of a lot of attention.
― clemenza, Sunday, 3 June 2018 20:58 (five years ago) link
Not launching them into contention, indeed that would not happen right now, but at least help winning games. However you are probably right, there is a most probably a selfish reaction when a young star comes along.
(However, it would be fun to hear if the arrival of Albies and Acuna did motivate older players in the Braves lineup to compete more than they used to, or if it just a coincidence.)
― Van Horn Street, Sunday, 3 June 2018 21:04 (five years ago) link
There is only ONE Vladimir Guerreros thread
― "HYYOOOOOOONK!" is the sound I make (Karl Malone), Friday, 10 September 2021 23:48 (two years ago) link
Important Vladimir Guerreros.
― FRAUDULENT STEAKS (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Saturday, 11 September 2021 00:55 (two years ago) link
Home runs:1. Vladimir Guerrero Jr. -- 442. Shohei Ohtani -- 443. Salvador Perez -- 42
Batting average:1. Vladimir Guerrero Jr. -- .3192. Yuli Gurriel -- .3153. Michael Brantley -- .315
RBIs:1. José Abreu -- 1072. Salvador Perez -- 105T-3. Vladimir Guerrero Jr. -- 102T-3. Rafael Devers -- 102T-3. Teoscar Hernández -- 102
― "HYYOOOOOOONK!" is the sound I make (Karl Malone), Monday, 13 September 2021 22:32 (two years ago) link
back off, teoscar
― mookieproof, Monday, 13 September 2021 22:37 (two years ago) link
Baseball Reference WAR says two things: that one of Vladimir Guerrero's teammates was actually more valuable than Vlad was, and (2) that Carlos Correa was the best defensive player in the AL. I believe ONE of these conclusions. The other one is bat shit crazy.— Bill James Online (@billjamesonline) October 6, 2021
Doubt he'd have such strong feelings on Correa's defensive value.
― clemenza, Friday, 8 October 2021 17:49 (two years ago) link
lol Vladdy hit this 427 feet pic.twitter.com/GZef4HU0y1— Andrew Mearns (@MearnsPSA) April 14, 2022
― mookieproof, Thursday, 14 April 2022 18:14 (two years ago) link
Blood-Stained Hand of the Vlad
― Andy K, Thursday, 14 April 2022 22:19 (two years ago) link
The Jays radio guys were saying how remarkably similar father and son are statistically to this point in their careers (404 games going into play today).
Senior: .312/.365/.562, 87 HR, 267 RBI
Junior: .284/.364/.513, 87 HR, 250 RBI
Seeing as Sr.'s numbers were compiled from 1996 into 2000--big hitting years--you'd have to adjust those slash stats downward, so yeah, probably pretty close. As is, unadjusted, dead on in HR and OBP.
(Sr.'s OPS+ through the completion of the 2000 season--i.e., to his 418th GP, is 146; Jr.'s is presently 136.)
― clemenza, Thursday, 16 June 2022 04:28 (one year ago) link
They also pointed out Jr is doing this about two years younger!!
― FRAUDULENT STEAKS (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Thursday, 16 June 2022 18:57 (one year ago) link
One of Posnanski's shareable posts:
https://joeposnanski.substack.com/p/ten-who-missed-no-10-vladimir-guerrero?r=1jtu0&s=r&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=email
Yes, it is much, much, much too early to be talking about Vladimir Guerrero Jr. and the Hall of Fame. As I write these words, he’s only 23 years old and has played fewer than 400 big-league games. But maybe it’s not too early to dream about something that seems impossible — a father and a son both ending up in the Baseball Hall of Fame...But even cooler — with all due respect to the Griffeys and Bondses, the Alous and Boones, Alomars and Witts, Fielders and Bells and Biggios and Bichettes — I think the Guerreros are already the most fun father-son duo in baseball history.
― clemenza, Sunday, 19 June 2022 16:48 (one year ago) link
Asked in NY about off-season comments in which he said he’d never sign with the Yankees, “not even dead,” Vlad Guerrero Jr. doubled down, saying he has personal/family reasons for preferring not to play for the Yankees and would “never” change his mind— Ben Nicholson-Smith (@bnicholsonsmith) April 21, 2023
― mookieproof, Saturday, 22 April 2023 01:25 (one year ago) link
BEST SHAPE OF HIS CAREER
Vladimir Guerrero Jr. Looks incredible holy shit pic.twitter.com/XpPUb0k8Xm— Gate 14 Podcast (@Gate14Pod) February 9, 2024
― mookieproof, Saturday, 10 February 2024 00:20 (two months ago) link
Looks v trim fwiw
― Its big ball chunky time (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Saturday, 10 February 2024 02:29 (two months ago) link
The man absolutely has to pop-off. It's in the stars
― H.P, Saturday, 10 February 2024 02:30 (two months ago) link
.172/.276/.314. (Not his father's Sunday-beer-league line.)
― clemenza, Saturday, 6 April 2024 13:32 (two weeks ago) link
I feel like I like Vladdy more than you do, and it’s still very early! Took a long at his unqualified (cos it’s early) 24 statcast numbers.https://i.postimg.cc/KYWyN08j/IMG-8699.jpgIs he pressing? He’s smoking the ball when he’s making contact and he’s walking a lot so his eye’s still great and the chase rate is too but he’s striking out well above his normal rate - he’s not normally a high strikeout guy. The sweet spot % (basically hitting the ball with a good launch angle that gets it off the ground and more likely to find grass rather than a glove) makes me think he’s missing his spots because he’s behind and maybe it’s a timing issue?Assuming I’ve understood xwOBA correctly (I will welcome correction cos expected stats & me are not a happy match), he’s making good quality contact when he does make contact, maybe he’s just unlucky?https://www.mlb.com/glossary/statcast/expected-woba
― Roman Anthony gets on his horse (gyac), Saturday, 6 April 2024 14:39 (two weeks ago) link
You probably do at this point--the closer you are, the more exasperating he can be. It was the same last year: all his advanced metrics suggested he was hitting in bad luck. All year we heard that. I'm like Jeff Blair (local radio guy) at this point: enough. (Directing that at Vlad, not you.) The thing that really changed me with regards to Vlad was learning how dispropotionately his big year was driven by those minor-league parks.
He's definitely pressing. And I'm sure he's got a few dozen people whispering in his ear what he needs to do, from his father on down, and they're all telling him different things.
― clemenza, Saturday, 6 April 2024 15:19 (two weeks ago) link