taking sides: _fun house_ or _raw power

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Lester Conway Bangs to thread.

― Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Saturday, 4 September 2004 04:19 (nineteen years ago) link

I'M LOOSE!!!!! ALWAYS!!!!
fun house obv

― AaronHz (AaronHz), Saturday, 4 September 2004 04:52 (nineteen years ago) link

Fun House

― Bimble (bimble), Saturday, 4 September 2004 05:18 (nineteen years ago) link

Tim, I agree that JW's leads (probably rhythm tracks too) sound more metal/hard rock. But I also don't think they're done very well at all - he's no Page for sure. A lot of it really just sounds like bad hard rock to me, which is why it amazes me that anyone could rate Raw Power over Fun House. "Search and Destroy" is classic though.

I've never heard the Bowie mix.

― sundar subramanian (sundar), Saturday, 4 September 2004 05:29 (nineteen years ago) link

I quite like raw power.

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Saturday, 4 September 2004 08:44 (nineteen years ago) link

did nobody here get the remixed version of raw power that iggy redid himself? that beats fun house easily.

― splooge (thesplooge), Saturday, 4 September 2004 08:58 (nineteen years ago) link

i've never heard the bowie mix either, but i think i'd probably prefer it to the iggy mix. i like most of the songs on that album (especially "shake appeal"), but it's almost impossible for me to listen to it all the way through at one sitting. it's just so goddamned MONOTONOUS, just one grindingly loud, snotty, straightforward tune after another. i think my distaste for it has a lot to do with the over-the-top remix - it's like being hit in the head with an iron for forty minutes! every one of those songs sounds awesome on a mixtape (well, except "penetration"), but put them all together and halfway through i'm reaching for the advil. whereas every song on funhouse sounds different (and like nothing else ever) and you can DANCE to it.

― J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Saturday, 4 September 2004 09:24 (nineteen years ago) link

"it's like being hit in the head with an iron for forty minutes"

thats what makes it so damn great!

― splooge (thesplooge), Saturday, 4 September 2004 09:28 (nineteen years ago) link

The Bowie mix had SWORDFIGHTING on it! It would've been good if they'd included both mixes on the one disc when they did the re-issue, since it's not really that long an album.

Personally I get different things out of all three, but if I HAD to choose... Fun House it is.

― Shady Loch Lenin (haitch), Saturday, 4 September 2004 09:48 (nineteen years ago) link

jack white likes funhouse, and thurston moore - i think - likes raw power best.

― splooge (thesplooge), Saturday, 4 September 2004 14:41 (nineteen years ago) link

JW IS JON WILLIAMS NOT JACK WHITE

Anyway, we jammed Raw Power at the COLLEGE PARTY last night.

Raw Power = pop!
Funhouse = noise!

Both great! But I would never play Funhouse at a party

― MATH BLASTER MYSTERY! (ex machina), Saturday, 4 September 2004 14:44 (nineteen years ago) link

no, i meant jack white said in mojo fun house is his fave stooges record.

― splooge (thesplooge), Saturday, 4 September 2004 14:59 (nineteen years ago) link

"funhouse is my favorite record." saeth the dave of markey.

"iggggyy!"

― eedd, Sunday, 5 September 2004 00:02 (nineteen years ago) link

Hey, what's green and flies over Germany?

― AaronHz (AaronHz), Sunday, 5 September 2004 00:11 (nineteen years ago) link

can i be a real pain in the hole and side with the S/T album? the other two have never really thrilled me quite as much. i don't get quite why at all, it's definitely not me just being awkward...

― pete badmusik (pete badmusik), Sunday, 5 September 2004 00:53 (nineteen years ago) link

Fun House. Because Ron Asheton was a better guitarist than James Williamson (knew his way around a wah-wah.) Because Dave Alexander was a better bassist than Ron Asheton. Because Steven Mackay supplied the greatest tenor sax playing on any rock record EVER. Not to mention greatest LP cover, greatest scream ("TV Eye") and the fact that it was released in 1970 (greatest year in rock, LP-wise!)

Raw Power is pretty great too, altho neither Bowie's nor Iggy's mix was completely satisfactory.

― Myonga Von Bontee (Myonga Von Bontee), Sunday, 5 September 2004 02:40 (nineteen years ago) link

i'm sad i got rid of my bowie-mix of raw power, it'd be nice to hear again.

it would be a tightass pointscoring thing to say that iggy's raw power rules not because there's BASS but because you can hear the GLOCKENSPIEL...but really it's because of the BASS. grunge rock lives!!

i think fun house is better.

― g--ff (gcannon), Sunday, 5 September 2004 04:45 (nineteen years ago) link

Both great! But I would never play Funhouse at a party

Funhouse would be absolutely fine to play at a party, what are you talking about?

if you wanna know why Raw Power is pretty crap, just listen to the 10x better outtakes from those sessions like "Gimme Some Skin" and "I Got A Right." Those two songs alone make Raw Power sound like the dogshit it is (sorry, but Bowie should be drawn + quartered for it). Not to mention "Scene of The Crime" and "Tight Pants" (which is a version of "Shake Appeal" that totally crushes the one on the album)

― joseph pot (STINKOR™), Sunday, 5 September 2004 05:13 (nineteen years ago) link

I still have the Bowie-mix on LP and I'll probably keep it forever since the iggy-mix is the widely available CD now. They both sound fucked to me. Bowie's is too weak and Iggy's is too OTT.
Fun House, of course, is perfect as is.

― AaronHz (AaronHz), Sunday, 5 September 2004 05:27 (nineteen years ago) link

i have a bootleg called rough power which has even more fucked mixes than either official mix. shame the quality is so poor.

― splooge (thesplooge), Sunday, 5 September 2004 08:29 (nineteen years ago) link

I still have the Bowie-mix on LP and I'll probably keep it forever since the iggy-mix is the widely available CD now. They both sound fucked to me. Bowie's is too weak and Iggy's is too OTT.

Am having problems understanding the concept of "too OTT" vis a vis The Stooges

― Dadaismus (Dada), Sunday, 5 September 2004 10:42 (nineteen years ago) link

I think this has been explained well enough upthread. It's BLARE BLARE BLARE but without the dynamics needed to keep it as interesting as Fun House.

― AaronHz (AaronHz), Sunday, 5 September 2004 10:46 (nineteen years ago) link

i dont think iggy's mix WAS OTT enough. i was expecting it to be even more brutal and fucked up.

― splooge (thesplooge), Sunday, 5 September 2004 10:47 (nineteen years ago) link

If he had gone even further it might have been more interesting, yes. I dunno why we can't get a mix of this that just plain sounds good without the bowie-tinny or iggy-blare bullshit.

― AaronHz (AaronHz), Sunday, 5 September 2004 10:50 (nineteen years ago) link

i dont think iggys 'blared' but the extremity of it was surely the whole point? its called RAW power after all, not diverse, well rounded and cohesive power is it?!

― splooge (thesplooge), Sunday, 5 September 2004 10:53 (nineteen years ago) link

sure

― AaronHz (AaronHz), Sunday, 5 September 2004 10:59 (nineteen years ago) link

As a rule though, I don't really respect or appreciate people monkeying around so drastically with their records when they're reissued (especially 20 or 30 years after the fact) so if this was a TS bowie-mix vs. iggy-mix I would have to go with Bowie.
See also the new edition of Blizzard of Ozz with rerecorded rhythm section, the echo drums on the old ZZTop album reissues etc.
The Bowie mix is at least interesting to me cuz it's so weird. I only bothered to listen to the Iggy-mix CD a few times before I sold it back. Frankly, some parts of it were so overdriven that it just sounded like a big pile of shit - on my stereo at least.
Ah, fuck the Stooges. I'm gonna go listen to Sketches of Spain.

― AaronHz (AaronHz), Sunday, 5 September 2004 11:11 (nineteen years ago) link

I've only heard the bowie mix but I don't see what's wrong with remixing the album, I'd like to think that's one of the points of the album and studios beyond just a room with nice accoustics and a microphone; that you could do these things. Otherwise just do it in one session, you know.

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Sunday, 5 September 2004 11:23 (nineteen years ago) link

I'm not sure I follow you. Remixing the album 25 years later is like Star Wars Special Edition type bullshit to me, and quite a different thing than using a multitrack studio to have the ability to tweak it before its release as opposed to just cutting it live to 2-track. Let's remix Exile on Main Street and Sgt Peppers and Pet Sounds while we're at it.

― AaronHz (AaronHz), Sunday, 5 September 2004 11:28 (nineteen years ago) link

i think a certain amount of remixing occurs when they do remastering anyway.

― splooge (thesplooge), Sunday, 5 September 2004 11:51 (nineteen years ago) link

monkeying around so drastically
See also the new edition of Blizzard of Ozz with rerecorded rhythm section, the echo drums on the old ZZTop album reissues etc.

― AaronHz (AaronHz), Sunday, 5 September 2004 11:55 (nineteen years ago) link

ie most remasters don't totally change the way the whole album sounds like the Raw Power one does.

― AaronHz (AaronHz), Sunday, 5 September 2004 11:58 (nineteen years ago) link

"I only bothered to listen to the Iggy-mix CD a few times before I sold it back"

YES

― scott seward (scott seward), Sunday, 5 September 2004 12:12 (nineteen years ago) link

yes...

i don't know bowie's version, but iggy's mix is so f*%%@in' LOUD.

So I vote for Raw Power.

― Elvis is Dead, Sunday, 5 September 2004 12:13 (nineteen years ago) link

wasn't iggy pretty unhappy with bowie's mix but he couldn't do anything abt it until 20+ years after release? I agree that it's mostly a con but the fact that you can do these kind of remixes a kind of a plus as far as you know, making albums.

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Sunday, 5 September 2004 12:23 (nineteen years ago) link

From what I've heard of Iggy's mix, it just sounds like a generic hard rock record now. The Bowie mix is way better as it seems to be mixed only in that they probably moved faders to get at all their cocaine in the cracks of the console. I think the reason people may be down on that mix is they probably heard it as a first generation CBS CD, and those managed to make a lot of classic albums sound terrible (also see some of Miles Davis' albums and Exile on Main Street).

Funhouse is infinitely better, either way. After the first side of Raw Power that album has nothing going for it, and, as mentioned earlier, "I Got A Right" and "Gimme Some Skin" blow away pretty much anything on Raw Power.

― Vic Funk, Sunday, 5 September 2004 12:33 (nineteen years ago) link

Regardless of mixing, I just think the SONGS are better on Funhouse.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Sunday, 5 September 2004 21:23 (nineteen years ago) link

OTM

― Je4nne ƒury (Jeanne Fury), Sunday, 5 September 2004 21:33 (nineteen years ago) link

Funhouse all the way

― manthony m1cc1o (Anthony Miccio), Sunday, 5 September 2004 21:44 (nineteen years ago) link

garage rock in extremisis vs. alice cooper with cred

― manthony m1cc1o (Anthony Miccio), Sunday, 5 September 2004 21:44 (nineteen years ago) link

"extremisis" would be a good band name

― manthony m1cc1o (Anthony Miccio), Sunday, 5 September 2004 21:45 (nineteen years ago) link

sure i like funhouse better. pat pat. but how about listening to raw power on headphones super loud? its a rewarding experience.

― artdamages (artdamages), Monday, 6 September 2004 06:19 (nineteen years ago) link

'Funhouse' is the only 'real' record. Everything else by [or with or whatever] Iggy Pop is very strange. Like, sort of cabaret music. Why? That is very strange to me. I don't complain about it being cabaret music, I can still listen 'past' the cabaret-ness of it, but I wonder why he was never again able to make a record that was not cabaret? On the other hand, the reason seems obvious.

― antonius, Monday, 6 September 2004 06:55 (nineteen years ago) link

are you a european?

― MATH BLASTER MYSTERY! (ex machina), Monday, 6 September 2004 07:01 (nineteen years ago) link

haha thats funny everytime.

― artdamages (artdamages), Monday, 6 September 2004 07:07 (nineteen years ago) link

only if cabaret means brilliant, succinctly eloquent lyrics and hard as fuck songs that smack you round the head like a fork lift truck.

― splooge (thesplooge), Monday, 6 September 2004 08:04 (nineteen years ago) link

Raw Power, as the title track is my favorite Stooges song bar none.

― David Allen (David Allen), Monday, 6 September 2004 08:18 (nineteen years ago) link

four months pass...

why is "fun house" so satisfying???

― Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Thursday, 13 January 2005 19:29 (nineteen years ago) link

Because it's just an amazing rock'n'roll record. Period.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Thursday, 13 January 2005 19:31 (nineteen years ago) link

yeah, but there's something unusually SATISFYING about it. you'd think it'd be one of those records you'd have to play when you're in a certain mood, but i ALWAYS enjoy listening to it, in all sorts of moods.

― Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Thursday, 13 January 2005 19:32 (nineteen years ago) link

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― Loud guitars shit all over "Bette Davis Eyes" (NYCNative), Sunday, 2 May 2021 14:02 (two years ago) link

Fun House is one of the greatest records of all time regardless of genre. Raw Power is pretty good.

― pomenitul, Sunday, 2 May 2021 14:09 (two years ago) link

WT...?

― A Stop at Quilloughby (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 2 May 2021 14:12 (two years ago) link

Fun House is one of the greatest records of all time regardless of genre. Raw Power is pretty good.

Pretty much. Raw Power has some good songs destroyed by inexplicable production choices.

― but also fuck you (unperson), Sunday, 2 May 2021 16:14 (two years ago) link

Funhouse is probably “better,” but I’m less likely to throw it on.

― smoking grass, poor caddying. (morrisp), Sunday, 2 May 2021 16:23 (two years ago) link

(I also love Williamson’s gtr playing, as a matter of personal taste.)

― smoking grass, poor caddying. (morrisp), Sunday, 2 May 2021 16:25 (two years ago) link

no sax on raw power so fuck that album

― Left, Sunday, 2 May 2021 16:28 (two years ago) link

Fun House is one of the greatest records of all time regardless of genre. Raw Power is pretty good.
― pomenitul, Sunday, 2 May 2021

Correct

― Duke, Sunday, 2 May 2021 16:36 (two years ago) link

side 2 of Raw Power kinda drags for me but side 1 is one of the best side 1s ever

― Paul Ponzi, Sunday, 2 May 2021 16:57 (two years ago) link

pomenitul otm. I don't dislike Raw Power, but it sounded and felt so self-conscious after Fun House, like they were trying to live up to or create or re-create some nebulous myth(s) about themselves...and with a guitarist who was uninterested in taking risks. And wrt the awful production, the drums on Fun House are popping all over the place, the source of that record's agitation; on Raw Power they're buried under a heavy blanket.

― Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Sunday, 2 May 2021 16:58 (two years ago) link

Is that a real cartoon or a photoshop?

― clemenza, Sunday, 2 May 2021 17:08 (two years ago) link

Fun House is one of the greatest records of all time regardless of genre.

it is absolutely perfect that don gallucci played keyboards on the kingsmen's version of "louie louie" and went on to record the first american prog album (touch) before producing this

― reggie (qualmsley), Sunday, 2 May 2021 17:30 (two years ago) link

Fun House and Raw Power are two of the greatest records of all time regardless of genre.

― Authoritarian Steaks (Tom D.), Sunday, 2 May 2021 17:33 (two years ago) link

I love both, though not sure either is the best Stooges record tbh

― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Sunday, 2 May 2021 17:37 (two years ago) link

two months pass...

Tonight I'm listening to the disc from the Fun House box that has 14 takes of "TV Eye" in a row. Because fuck my downstairs neighbors.

― but also fuck you (unperson), Sunday, 18 July 2021 00:18 (two years ago) link

RAW POWER

― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Sunday, 18 July 2021 16:09 (two years ago) link

They’re both 5 stars records though

― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Sunday, 18 July 2021 16:11 (two years ago) link

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taking sides: _fun house_ or _raw power_