Celine Dion, Classic or Dud

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The Karen Carpenter comparison works even less for me. Madonna you could argue at least stepped into Celine territory on a couple occasions--probably the Evita stuff, I'm thinking, but even something like "Rescue Me" has some of that overbearing Celine-ness--but Karen Carpenter and Celine Dion could simply not sound any less alike. One sang quietly even when she was singing upbeat numbers, one belted it out even when she was singing quiet ballads. I don't hear a bit of similarity between them.

― sw00ds, Tuesday, 1 May 2007 13:09 (sixteen years ago) link

By the way, I think one Celine song sounds kind of gorgeous: "A New Day Has Come"--but it's probably more the backing track than her that I like, not that I think she ruins it or anything, it's just the music that stood out as being memorably quite pretty (I haven't heard it in a few years).

Isn't the real point of comparison with Celine Dion Barbra Streisand?

― sw00ds, Tuesday, 1 May 2007 13:16 (sixteen years ago) link

Maybe the reason Celine inspires such hatred is that she brings a Streisand thing more directly into pop? Pop fans didn't have to hate Streisand because they didn't have to deal with her (she was more directly associated with movies and broadway, right?). Dion, on the other hand, was, for a period, an inescapable pop icon. Had she resided solely in the adult contemporary world, maybe people wouldn't have had reason to hate her so much? Just positing a theory.

― sw00ds, Tuesday, 1 May 2007 13:24 (sixteen years ago) link

there are quite a few dion songs i like - either when she turns it down a bit ('falling into you' which is a weird smooth trip-hoppy mid-tempo thing - in retrospect this pretty much invented dido) or when she turns it RIGHT UP ('it's all coming back to me now', penned by jim steinman, completely over the top, approx eight minutes long). there's also 'misled', a rare and bizarre venture into the world of dance beats.

don't really care for her generally, apart from that, but there are worse artists in the world.

― lex pretend, Tuesday, 1 May 2007 13:29 (sixteen years ago) link

'misled,' a rare and bizarre venture into the world of dance beats

Don't know if I know the track--title vaguely rings a bell--but I doubt that's a rare venture. Most of Dion's early pop stuff, I'm pretty sure, is completely dance-poppish (I know for certain she's had many dance remixes). Also, she did a dancehall track a few years back--maybe that's "Misled."

― sw00ds, Tuesday, 1 May 2007 13:32 (sixteen years ago) link

[insert '?' at end]

― sw00ds, Tuesday, 1 May 2007 13:33 (sixteen years ago) link

misled,' a rare and bizarre venture into the world of dance beats

I'm really hoping it's a remake of the Kool and the Gang song. I won't be disappointed if it isn't.

― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Tuesday, 1 May 2007 13:35 (sixteen years ago) link

Alfred completely OTM though I would pay double to hear Celine do "Fresh"

― Hans Rott, Tuesday, 1 May 2007 13:51 (sixteen years ago) link

I think the root of the Celine D hatred is that she seems so arrogant.

Out of all singers past and present, Celine D would be the most likely to title
an album "The Voice" and not think twice about it.

― Z S, Tuesday, 1 May 2007 19:11 (sixteen years ago) link

Maybe the reason Celine inspires such hatred is that she brings a Streisand thing more directly into pop?

Definitely not. I love Streisand, and I can't stand Celine Dion.

― Mordechai Shinefield, Tuesday, 1 May 2007 21:05 (sixteen years ago) link

yeah I suspect that's a generational thing. Streisand has a nice patina of nostalgia and is safe to love - she's part of The Sixties, she has an I.D. for The Seventies and her eighties stuff also subsumes itself in cultural identity. Celine is the ever-uncomfortable now. Still, Streisand has sung with her several times.

― Hans Rott, Tuesday, 1 May 2007 21:34 (sixteen years ago) link

Also, Streisand, Madonna, Beyonce, etc. have legions of gay fans - I can't imagine Celine being a gay icon.

― danzig, Tuesday, 1 May 2007 23:35 (sixteen years ago) link

I respect Celine Dion similarly to the way I respect the guitarist from Dream Theater or something - they have a very impressive ability on their instrument, but I find the way they wield that ability to be in poor taste. Like this one time I heard Jessica Simpson sing the national anthem before a baseball game. It was all fast and melismatic and rangey and shit. Her voice sounded powerful and impressive in a way, but the whole display was really garish and distasteful and I found it awful to listen to.

Madonna seems very different - she isn't known for her mastery of her instrument, but rather for her good taste.

― St3ve Go1db3rg, Tuesday, 1 May 2007 23:58 (sixteen years ago) link

yeah I'd argue in favor of Celine as rather greater than a technician - I know what you mean, musicians who're all chops and no voice (Yngwie is the classic flogging-horse here I think), but Celine dialed-back is capable of some really haunting, emotional work - comparable to Carpenter in her lower register (the "ago" in "long ago" in "Superstar" is what I have in mind here)

sorry if I'm being totally boring, I find the subject interesting and am really curious about whether Celine will, long after she's a distant memory, be excavated and praised as a pop icon of great depth once the irritants of her presence are out of the way

― Hans Rott, Wednesday, 2 May 2007 00:42 (sixteen years ago) link

I honestly don't know anyone under the age of 50 years old who likes her.

― Z S, Wednesday, 2 May 2007 00:45 (sixteen years ago) link

except me

― Hans Rott, Wednesday, 2 May 2007 00:47 (sixteen years ago) link

i think so xxpost

― Surmounter, Wednesday, 2 May 2007 01:01 (sixteen years ago) link

i have a soft spot for celine. i mean, yeah, i do.

― Surmounter, Wednesday, 2 May 2007 01:01 (sixteen years ago) link

Maybe the reason Celine inspires such hatred is that she brings a Streisand thing more directly into pop?

>Definitely not. I love Streisand, and I can't stand Celine Dion.

You're likely an exception, and it doesn't negate my point. As a general rule, I don't think there was ever a huge love, or even much tolerance, among rock fans (and rock critics) for what Streisand did (or does), though she's obviously not as despised as Celine, granted.

― sw00ds, Wednesday, 2 May 2007 02:25 (sixteen years ago) link

I don't mean you're an exception that you love Streisand and hate Celine--I know two other people who've said the exact same thing. I just mean that among rock fans, I don't think Streisand was particularly well-liked either (but I'm sorry if I was presumptive; I don't know you or what you listen to!).

― sw00ds, Wednesday, 2 May 2007 02:36 (sixteen years ago) link

one year passes...

Just listened to 5 x Celine hit singles in a row*, and surprised at how wrong my idea of "really grating & loud" was. Voice actually mostly very pleasant, even when belting. Maybe a bit unfairly maligned yeah.

Material still crap though.

*) Every time I hear "My Heart Will Go On", I do so for the first time. I'm confused about how such a hookless song can be remembered in listeners' minds long enough to be a world No 1 etc. Maybe it's just that its tempo falls beneath my personal w number**, the same that also renders me helpless in identifying slow movements of the most obvious classical works etc.

**) Invention of Tom E: the Westlife Factor, IIRC, beneath which everything sounds the same.

― anatol_merklich, Sunday, 5 October 2008 01:03 (fifteen years ago) link

sw00ds OTM re Carpenter/Dion.

(Hating it is totally understandable but I'm a little amazed someone could find "My Heart Will Go On" hookless.)

― Sundar, Sunday, 5 October 2008 02:12 (fifteen years ago) link

Ultimate dud.

― After The Hurricane (The Brainwasher), Sunday, 5 October 2008 02:25 (fifteen years ago) link

one year passes...

"i'm your lady" is killin it this morning

― yeahhh (surm), Thursday, 4 March 2010 17:29 (fourteen years ago) link

two weeks pass...

don't give up on your faith
loves come to those who believe in it
and that's the way it is

― big (surm), Monday, 22 March 2010 06:24 (fourteen years ago) link

yeah, classic

― booches (Tape Store), Monday, 29 March 2010 07:49 (fourteen years ago) link

eight months pass...

it's time.

― valerie (surm), Friday, 3 December 2010 20:11 (thirteen years ago) link

two months pass...

^looooool

― J0rdan S., Wednesday, 16 February 2011 16:01 (thirteen years ago) link

uh ur right

PERFECT morning for celine

― i like lucy (surm), Wednesday, 16 February 2011 16:02 (thirteen years ago) link

*ugh

― i like lucy (surm), Wednesday, 16 February 2011 16:03 (thirteen years ago) link

anyway, i'm on hold right now w/ a bank & the music is an instrumental version of "my heart will go on" -- i'm not sure what this means

― J0rdan S., Wednesday, 16 February 2011 16:03 (thirteen years ago) link

jordan why are you always doing something with the bank

― i like lucy (surm), Wednesday, 16 February 2011 16:04 (thirteen years ago) link

you're like the bank's best customer

― i like lucy (surm), Wednesday, 16 February 2011 16:04 (thirteen years ago) link

haha -- well this was some random bank in VA that i was calling for my job

― J0rdan S., Wednesday, 16 February 2011 16:05 (thirteen years ago) link

what job are u workin?

― i like lucy (surm), Wednesday, 16 February 2011 16:09 (thirteen years ago) link

for a private investor -- it's actually a dece job

― J0rdan S., Wednesday, 16 February 2011 16:14 (thirteen years ago) link

wow!! v cool

― i like lucy (surm), Wednesday, 16 February 2011 16:15 (thirteen years ago) link

well, i won't be talking to steve buscemi anytime soon, so it's not that cool

― J0rdan S., Wednesday, 16 February 2011 16:17 (thirteen years ago) link

haha stop :P

― i like lucy (surm), Wednesday, 16 February 2011 16:18 (thirteen years ago) link

five months pass...

Céline Dion Shuts Down 'Ridiculous Pictures of Céline Dion' Blog

― Kevin John Bozelka, Saturday, 23 July 2011 00:50 (twelve years ago) link

six months pass...

http://soundclash.wordpress.com/2012/02/02/bigger-than-jah-celine-dion-in-ja/

― curmudgeon, Monday, 13 February 2012 17:50 (twelve years ago) link

one year passes...

Seriously considering checking out a greatest hits compilation.

― EveningStar (Sund4r), Tuesday, 27 August 2013 02:30 (ten years ago) link

(after hearing "My Heart Will Go On" on the radio and remembering how much I love it)

― EveningStar (Sund4r), Tuesday, 27 August 2013 02:32 (ten years ago) link

Probably worth doing. She had two or three really good songs on most albums. Don't forget about the French stuff, though. Je danse dans ma tête might be my favourite song of hers.

― Inte Regina Lund eller nån, mitt namn är (ShariVari), Tuesday, 27 August 2013 07:36 (ten years ago) link

je sais les hivers
je sais le froid
mais la vie sans toi (SANS TOI!)
je sais pas (je! sais! pas!)

― dyl, Tuesday, 27 August 2013 13:58 (ten years ago) link

french stuff is amazing.

― surm, Tuesday, 27 August 2013 15:06 (ten years ago) link

i suppose it's too much to hope that celine is somewhere in the list of shitty boring polls that will clog up ilm for the next decade

― r|t|c, Tuesday, 27 August 2013 15:13 (ten years ago) link

remember the barbra duet

― surm, Tuesday, 27 August 2013 15:38 (ten years ago) link

Celine on Larry King following Hurricane Katrina remains completely amazing:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QXD4BGvPngM

"How come it's so easy to send planes to another country to kill everyone in a second... to destroy lives... we need to serve our country and for me, serving our country is to be there right now to rescue the rest of the people"

― Inte Regina Lund eller nån, mitt namn är (ShariVari), Tuesday, 27 August 2013 21:46 (ten years ago) link

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-2406471/Celine-Dion-adds-dubstep-style-beat-eagerly-awaited-new-single.html

^ now that's a URL to conjure with

― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Friday, 30 August 2013 11:07 (ten years ago) link

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Céline is a widow.

RIP, René.

― Van Horn Street, Thursday, 14 January 2016 21:43 (eight years ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ipIq7JV3ZQ&index=5&list=PLIrbp7pqBZJHo-s7wRBcxpdaJ7H_fy9TG

― Van Horn Street, Thursday, 14 January 2016 21:47 (eight years ago) link

She also lost her brother on Saturday.

― Van Horn Street, Monday, 18 January 2016 21:11 (eight years ago) link

With all the (bad) news about her the past few days, I was trying to remember the one single of hers I liked at the time. Must have been "Nothing Broken but My Heart"--just played the video and it still sounds pretty good.

― clemenza, Monday, 18 January 2016 21:34 (eight years ago) link

one year passes...

BARBRA, BE A LADY!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ajnu3YSkbvQ

― kurt schwitterz, Wednesday, 10 January 2018 19:57 (six years ago) link

that's p intense...

interesting to see the comment field full of journalists asking permission to use the vid on their sites and uploader replying with pms, wonder what he could get paid

― niels, Wednesday, 10 January 2018 20:11 (six years ago) link

ten months pass...

Pretty cool! Let's talk about gender baby.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=StQXEe4bF2c&fbclid=IwAR14G2nY_AT2wy7q2XtTZrAHpGElLZuNSqLkkAgyKglP3pgNPVhnOxK9Su0

― LeRooLeRoo, Tuesday, 13 November 2018 22:34 (five years ago) link

Video is not showing for me. What is it?

― breastcrawl, Tuesday, 13 November 2018 22:55 (five years ago) link

An add for her new baby clothing line.

https://youtu.be/StQXEe4bF2c

― LeRooLeRoo, Tuesday, 13 November 2018 23:03 (five years ago) link

Célinununu (I like that name!), the Céline Dion/New Order partnership ILM has been dreaming of.

― breastcrawl, Wednesday, 14 November 2018 09:39 (five years ago) link

one year passes...

Widowhood has liberated her inner queer, potty-mouthed diva, says Carl Wilson:

https://slate.com/culture/2019/11/celine-dion-new-album-courage-review-comeback.html

― Maria Edgelord (cryptosicko), Sunday, 24 November 2019 00:09 (four years ago) link

one year passes...

I...am amazed.

There is an unofficial Céline Dion biopic playing out of competition at Cannes where they use her songs but change her name, and I fear my concept of reality will never recover. https://t.co/ZvfPaYy6Jw
— Chris Feil (@chrisvfeil) June 3, 2021

My brain is short circuiting pic.twitter.com/NnZ7OR1x0x
— Chris Feil (@chrisvfeil) June 3, 2021

― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 3 June 2021 14:14 (two years ago) link

eight months pass...

xposted to Ambient Recommendations, but this record utilizes Celine samples pretty exclusively and is fucking beautiful, I think.

https://youmustrememberthis.bandcamp.com/album/once-upon-a-time

― we need outrage! we need dicks!! (the table is the table), Wednesday, 9 February 2022 15:47 (two years ago) link

the butthole surfers dedicated this to her! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Is0hVNZJTOU

― xzanfar, Wednesday, 9 February 2022 19:27 (two years ago) link

nine months pass...

Sad day re: Céline Dion

https://www.npr.org/2022/12/08/1141538144/celine-dion-stiff-person-syndrome-canceled-shows

― Goose Bigelow, Fowl Gigolo (the table is the table), Thursday, 8 December 2022 22:46 (one year ago) link

Horrible news <3

― nxd, Friday, 9 December 2022 14:03 (one year ago) link

yes, very sad. it was known that she had health issues, but this is a bad diagnosis.

not counting on seeing her again live, although the show we have tickets for hasn’t been cancelled yet (I bought them in 2019 for her 2020 tour).

― I did see Xhaka crotchgrab (breastcrawl), Friday, 9 December 2022 15:14 (one year ago) link

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