The Great Escape? Is it really that bad...?

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genuine is overrated.

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Tuesday, 13 September 2005 08:01 (eighteen years ago) link

'song 2' is great. it is what it is, but that's ok. 'country house' has taken a decade to grow on me, but it has. the 'blow me out' bits are the best. it's hella complex, songwritingwise, too.

genuine is sometimes overrated, sometimes underrated. in the ironic mid-nineties, it was underrated.

N_RQ, Tuesday, 13 September 2005 08:02 (eighteen years ago) link

Parklife is the best. I thought everyone just knew that. What is 'genuine'?

Teh HoBB (the pirate king), Tuesday, 13 September 2005 08:16 (eighteen years ago) link

'genuine' is something felt by the writer/performer is successfully translated into sounds which translate into feeling for the listener, or something. or coversely, ungenuine is when as a listener you can sense the singer is going through the motions, that the 'observations' are made up, written in depseration. eg the godawful ken livingstone one.

N_RQ, Tuesday, 13 September 2005 08:19 (eighteen years ago) link

the 'blow me out' bits are the best. it's hella complex, songwritingwise, too.

I concur on this.

And yeh, Parklife really is the best one really.

dog latin (dog latin), Tuesday, 13 September 2005 08:20 (eighteen years ago) link

If only because it's Blur being Blur whereas "Blur" (the LP) is Blur doing a very good Pavement impression.

dog latin (dog latin), Tuesday, 13 September 2005 08:21 (eighteen years ago) link

'genuine' is something felt by the writer/performer is successfully translated into sounds which translate into feeling for the listener, or something. or coversely, ungenuine is when as a listener you can sense the singer is going through the motions, that the 'observations' are made up, written in depseration. eg the godawful ken livingstone one.

Ha! I thought maybe it was a b-side I didn't have.

Teh HoBB (the pirate king), Tuesday, 13 September 2005 08:22 (eighteen years ago) link

to be honest, when I heared that Ken one, I heared it as Damon saying "ach, I'm not writing any more of these type songs!"

mark grout (mark grout), Tuesday, 13 September 2005 08:26 (eighteen years ago) link

"something felt by the writer/performer" is also overrated.

I actually witnessed Albarn recording the intro to that song. he was standing in front of JA Spirits in Goldhawk Road next door to the Townhouse Studios hammering the door and yelling. This was about 7:15 on a Tuesday morning. I passed him by and said for shame alkie Albarn etc. but he explained it was only sound effects for the album. I still think that Peter Wyngarde would have narrated it better than "Red" Ken, mind you ("Neville Thumbcatch" etc.).

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Tuesday, 13 September 2005 08:30 (eighteen years ago) link

i don't like songs when i think the performer(s) are not feeling it, me.

N_RQ, Tuesday, 13 September 2005 08:33 (eighteen years ago) link

Dean Friedman be king of pop!

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Tuesday, 13 September 2005 08:37 (eighteen years ago) link

i mean, it's not the be-all and end-all, but on 'TGE' damon's "heart's not in it", which makes listening a bit on an empty experience (also the production is terrible).

N_RQ, Tuesday, 13 September 2005 08:40 (eighteen years ago) link

Barry is right in saying that Great Escape is Parklife mark 2 though. Just for fun, I'm going to play Blur pairs:

1. Girls And Boys - Entertain Me
2. Tracy Jacks - Mr Robinson's Quango
3. End Of A Century - He Thought of Cars
4. Parklife -
5. Bank Holiday - Globe Alone
6. Debt Collector - Ernold Same
7. Far Out - Fade Away
8. To The End - The Universal
9. London Loves - Top Man
10. Trouble In The Message Centre - It Could Be You
11. Clover Over Dover - Best Days
12. Magic America - Country House
13. Jubilee - Dan Abnormal
14. This Is A Low - Yuko And Hiro

Fair enough?

dog latin (dog latin), Tuesday, 13 September 2005 08:42 (eighteen years ago) link

Oh he's feeling it alright. Listen to the passion: "Dan went to his local burger bar!" (xpost)

Teh HoBB (the pirate king), Tuesday, 13 September 2005 08:43 (eighteen years ago) link

sorry, Parklife I would associate with Stereotypes

dog latin (dog latin), Tuesday, 13 September 2005 08:43 (eighteen years ago) link

I always thought Modern Life Is Rubbish was the best one of the trilogy.

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Tuesday, 13 September 2005 08:44 (eighteen years ago) link

Dog Latin - Trouble in the message centre = Mr Robinson's Quango

Teh HoBB (the pirate king), Tuesday, 13 September 2005 08:44 (eighteen years ago) link

{I don't mean Dog Latin minus Trouble... = Mr Robinson's Quano}
{that would be odd}

Teh HoBB (the pirate king), Tuesday, 13 September 2005 08:45 (eighteen years ago) link

In a lot of ways the lyrics to Great Escape could have been written by a British Frank Zappa, the way he sneers at a load of stereotypes who don't actually exist anyway.

dog latin (dog latin), Tuesday, 13 September 2005 08:45 (eighteen years ago) link

(Number 10 ! presumably that was the two tracks left over after the others were paired off!)

mark grout (mark grout), Tuesday, 13 September 2005 08:45 (eighteen years ago) link

TeH Hobb - how come?

I always remember thinking that song was dumb from the opening line "Oh Mr Robinson... And his quango..." etc... It pissed me off because this line was basically the title of the song and I found it so devoid of imagination that as a 15 year old I could have written better lyrics. Also the line about herpes. And "ooooh ah'm a naughtay boyyy/Owwww ah'm a naughtay naughtay boooy" is SO annoying.

dog latin (dog latin), Tuesday, 13 September 2005 08:48 (eighteen years ago) link

That's the best bit of the whole album. Oooooh I'm a naughty boy!

Teh HoBB (the pirate king), Tuesday, 13 September 2005 08:50 (eighteen years ago) link

Maybe you have to be in the mood.

dog latin (dog latin), Tuesday, 13 September 2005 08:51 (eighteen years ago) link

Really you had to be there.

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Tuesday, 13 September 2005 08:52 (eighteen years ago) link

didn't Graham write Best Days? I think in the latter days at least, Graham managed to save a lot of their albums. Coffee and TV remains a firm favourite amongst the world of rubbish that is 13.

dog latin (dog latin), Tuesday, 13 September 2005 08:53 (eighteen years ago) link

Really you had to be Damon.

xpost blummin TIMING!

mark grout (mark grout), Tuesday, 13 September 2005 08:53 (eighteen years ago) link

Not really the right thread, but could someone tell me this:

What are the lyrics to the backing vocals during the last verse of Clover Over Dover?

Teh HoBB (the pirate king), Tuesday, 13 September 2005 08:54 (eighteen years ago) link

I always loved "Yuko and Hiro" better than anything else because it was Damon being properly sad and bereft without being all bloody heroic about it ("To The End", "This Is A Low" etc), it was a lovely plastic-y synthetic shrill thing that (musically) seems to be consciously playing into the hands of everyone who decided that it was an infuriatingly 'artificial' record. I wanted them to go off and do lots more things like this. They didn't. Although, "Dare", maybe?

Alex in Sheffield (Alex in Doncaster), Tuesday, 13 September 2005 08:55 (eighteen years ago) link

didn't Graham write Best Days? I think in the latter days at least, Graham managed to save a lot of their albums. Coffee and TV remains a firm favourite amongst the world of rubbish that is 13.

Coffee and Tv is great, but 'world of rubbish' is a bit harsh. Most of the songs on there are great, they just go on twice as long as they ought to.

Teh HoBB (the pirate king), Tuesday, 13 September 2005 08:56 (eighteen years ago) link

yeh, that's fair enough - i guess i also like Battle and Mellow Song, but tracks like Tender and No Distance Left To Run are in retrospect appauling self-polluting buckets of semen dripping down the Blur catalogue and did Damon absolutely no favours in rendering him as a hand-pump in the eyes of the general public (who still bought these songs in their droves). Far too many generic Blur!Punk!Attempts! on there too as well as the loping drudgery of 1992 and Swamp Song.

dog latin (dog latin), Tuesday, 13 September 2005 09:02 (eighteen years ago) link

xpost

dog latin (dog latin), Tuesday, 13 September 2005 09:03 (eighteen years ago) link

oops sorry, not xpost.

dog latin (dog latin), Tuesday, 13 September 2005 09:03 (eighteen years ago) link

i never really listened to '13'. or side 2 of 'blur'. or 'the great escape'.

N_RQ, Tuesday, 13 September 2005 09:04 (eighteen years ago) link

side 2 of "blur" is wonderful.

mark grout (mark grout), Tuesday, 13 September 2005 09:06 (eighteen years ago) link

If you don't believe me, pretend it's side two of "Low"

mark grout (mark grout), Tuesday, 13 September 2005 09:06 (eighteen years ago) link

hahaha, i don't like side 2 of 'low'!!!

N_RQ, Tuesday, 13 September 2005 09:08 (eighteen years ago) link

er, plus 'blur' came out twenty years after 'low'. i think this is important.

N_RQ, Tuesday, 13 September 2005 09:09 (eighteen years ago) link

ANYONE WHO DOESN'T LIKE SIDE 2 OF LOW IS NO FRIEND OF MINE

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Tuesday, 13 September 2005 09:11 (eighteen years ago) link

OH NOES

N_RQ, Tuesday, 13 September 2005 09:17 (eighteen years ago) link

Side two of Blur is ace! It's just Blur being as far away from Blur as possible - there's even a song about them LIKING America (a bit).

dog latin (dog latin), Tuesday, 13 September 2005 10:19 (eighteen years ago) link

which is blur doing 'more songs about buildings and food', really.

N_RQ, Tuesday, 13 September 2005 10:33 (eighteen years ago) link

"Look Inside America" vs "The Big Country"

Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Tuesday, 13 September 2005 11:45 (eighteen years ago) link

Just went and had a listen to the album for probably the 1st time in 8-9 years, and 'Yuko & Hiro' is properly stunning! I don't remember it being that good...

Citypark, Tuesday, 13 September 2005 14:57 (eighteen years ago) link

which is blur doing 'more songs about buildings and food', really.
-- N_RQ (bl0cke...), September 13th, 2005.

boy, i must hear that track again.

piscesboy, Tuesday, 13 September 2005 15:11 (eighteen years ago) link

"Country House" is the only Blur song I like. And its basically a Kinks song.

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 13 September 2005 15:12 (eighteen years ago) link

I think it's a great record. Its excesses can grate, but is there really any denying "The "Universal" or "He Thought of Cars"? I think the hate for this album stems in large part from the band itself. During the Blur era they came to embarrassed by their former image, and were keen to write this album off. Critics took their lead, and voila!

D. Bachyrycz, Tuesday, 13 September 2005 15:31 (eighteen years ago) link

I'll keep it if only for "The Universal" and "Mr. Robinson's Quango." I still don't know what a quango is, or maybe I did once, but I forgot. Is the answer among the 28 older messages that are are hidden?

k/l (Ken L), Tuesday, 13 September 2005 15:35 (eighteen years ago) link

I guess in keeping with the Britishness I should have said amongst.

k/l (Ken L), Tuesday, 13 September 2005 15:35 (eighteen years ago) link

quango = quasi-autonomous non governmental organisation.

Pashmina (Pashmina), Tuesday, 13 September 2005 15:39 (eighteen years ago) link

honest!

I can't remember the exact details, but IIRC they were a load of regional semi official organistations, many of which were shut down by thatcher in the eraly '80's as a kind of populist move, b/c qango had become synonymous w/profigat govt spending at that point.

Pashmina (Pashmina), Tuesday, 13 September 2005 15:41 (eighteen years ago) link

xpost, yes, Damon Albarn now.

canoon fooder (dog latin), Thursday, 26 November 2015 10:33 (eight years ago) link

Pretty much every track has something going on musically, a great riff, killer hook, good idea in the arrangement, to recommend it, and almost every song is catchy as hell. But there are some awful, awful, hateful lyrics and vocals.

― Sick Mouthy (Scik Mouthy), Sunday, 18 March 2012 22:37 (3 years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

100x yes. It would be such a great record if it hadn't been for the lyrics.

In a weird sequence of events, we decided to watch The Krays movie the other night, which promptly lodged the lyrics to 'Charmless Man' in my head. The next day, we sang it as we walked up the hill to a pub quiz where, during the music round they played 'Charmless Man' in reverse. To add to the coincidence, just as I was writing this post, I went to Google something completely unrelated and the first result was about the Kray Twins, but not what I was looking for.

canoon fooder (dog latin), Thursday, 26 November 2015 10:54 (eight years ago) link

six years pass...

Did anyone see B-Roads *finally* leaked yesterday? Maybe it was a private obsession for us Blur forum vets but it's rather like Carnival of Light has come out.

you can see me from westbury white horse, Thursday, 24 November 2022 16:08 (one year ago) link

People were very weird about this. Mods demanding it must not be discussed. Show-offs who had somehow seen it informed the rest that it wasn't much cop and no one else needs to see it, yet describing every scene in great detail

PaulTMA, Thursday, 24 November 2022 18:51 (one year ago) link

B-Roads? What's that?

the pinefox, Thursday, 24 November 2022 18:54 (one year ago) link

Late 1995 tour film / documentary, mentioned in the music press as something that was in the works. The band decided they didn't want it to come out and was quietly shelved. There wasn't too much fanfare/hype about it to begin with, but it slowly became something of a holy grail. The version that leaked could be just a rough cut, not sure

PaulTMA, Thursday, 24 November 2022 20:12 (one year ago) link

Wow. Thanks for this. I had Starshaped on video back in the day. It's odd seeing Matt Lucas in the tour party.

cajunsunday, Thursday, 24 November 2022 21:02 (one year ago) link

https://vimeo.com/774782708

cajunsunday, Thursday, 24 November 2022 21:05 (one year ago) link

on YouTube too

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FYX7s_5MnTY

link.exposing.politically (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Thursday, 24 November 2022 21:10 (one year ago) link

Links seem to keep getting yanked all the time. At least it's out there now

PaulTMA, Thursday, 24 November 2022 21:39 (one year ago) link

Oh wow you couldn’t even *mention* it on the old Blur forum without the mods getting their knickers in a twist. It’s meant to be really boring.

piscesx, Friday, 25 November 2022 01:06 (one year ago) link

It’s a fun piece of fluff. I like the scene with Alex James splayed out on the floor of their green room and Damon’s deadpan encounter with a local news reporter. It veers into some Song Remains the Same territory, but it doesn’t feel like a real glimpse into their minds a la True Stories or Return to Waterloo

beamish13, Friday, 25 November 2022 04:52 (one year ago) link

I really quite love it, it's a real curate's egg. The Best Days bit is genuinely quite poignant.

you can see me from westbury white horse, Friday, 25 November 2022 05:52 (one year ago) link

Pretty good tbh. Refreshing actually, after all the hyper-curated retrospective docs of recent years, to see a contemporaneous effort like this, warts and all.

everything, Friday, 25 November 2022 07:08 (one year ago) link

I found the endless aestheticised poverty kind of gross, but the lack of easy Camden/London-stuff is quite appealing. It’s a lovely document of “what things looked like”.

Graham is the good looking one it turns out (when he’s not wearing his glasses)

Chuck_Tatum, Friday, 25 November 2022 07:23 (one year ago) link

Wow yeah I was expecting it to be pretty lairy but this is really quite sweet, especially considering what a collective headfuck they must have been experiencing at the time. The interviews with the public remind me a bit of Pulp’s mini documentary about the making of the This Is Hardcore video, that was also shot on film, possibly by the same people. The Best Days bandstand bit is great yeah, I love that song, and Damon’s bit about the rings at the hotel was a bit of an unexpected choker. Baffling this was blocked/banned for so long.

piscesx, Friday, 25 November 2022 12:48 (one year ago) link

This film sounds interesting. I know nothing about it but hope to watch some time.

the pinefox, Friday, 25 November 2022 12:57 (one year ago) link


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