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Apparently, the person who originally realeased House Arrest is not allowing Paw Tracks to reissue it.

mitch dub (ano ano), Thursday, 7 April 2005 17:24 (fifteen years ago) link

That blows. Between "Alisa", "West Coast Calamities", "Gettin' High in the Morning", and "Interesting Results" it's probably the best bedroom pop album this decade will see.

Felonious Drunk (Felcher), Thursday, 7 April 2005 17:50 (fifteen years ago) link


noizem duke (noize duke), Thursday, 7 April 2005 17:59 (fifteen years ago) link

xypost: But that's just after the first few minutes!!!

The Sensational Sulk (sexyDancer), Thursday, 7 April 2005 18:21 (fifteen years ago) link

I know. hopefully the rest of the album will grow on me at some point, but after listening to worn copy 6 or 7 times, the second half of trepanated earth is the only thing on it that i really like.

Felonious Drunk (Felcher), Thursday, 7 April 2005 18:27 (fifteen years ago) link


noizem duke (noize duke), Thursday, 7 April 2005 18:29 (fifteen years ago) link

The free track on the paw tracks website isn't a patch on anything on Doldrums

Japanese Giraffe (Japanese Giraffe), Thursday, 7 April 2005 20:50 (fifteen years ago) link

down at the creepshow...

The Sensational Sulk (sexyDancer), Thursday, 7 April 2005 20:54 (fifteen years ago) link

four weeks pass...
This is an incredible bit of music. Absolutely baffling but all the more wonderful.

dog latin (dog latin), Thursday, 5 May 2005 11:58 (fifteen years ago) link

It's like the music you hear in your head just as you're drifting out of consciousness with classic rock radio on.

dog latin (dog latin), Thursday, 5 May 2005 12:14 (fifteen years ago) link

So... classic rock through a drainpipe, then, and then irritation that it's not LETTING you drift out of consciousness, and then silence?

I've still not heard 'Ariel Pink'.

The fact that 'lo-fi' has been used NINE ZILLION TIMES in this thread with barely any answers...

... doesn't appeal.

But perhaps I am KNEE JERKING?!

Lucretia My Reflection (Lucretia My Reflection), Thursday, 5 May 2005 12:29 (fifteen years ago) link

When I think of low-fi, I always think of stuff done on cheap instruments and played very badly on purpose. This is stuff played on good equipment, written and played beautifully and then recorded on the cheapest equipment possible.

dog latin (dog latin), Thursday, 5 May 2005 12:45 (fifteen years ago) link

Yes but what are his INFLUENZAS!

Lucretia My Reflection (Lucretia My Reflection), Thursday, 5 May 2005 12:47 (fifteen years ago) link

70s and 80s rock/pop. Lots of Roxy Music, Lennon, Bowie, Talking Heads, New Wave etc.

dog latin (dog latin), Thursday, 5 May 2005 13:19 (fifteen years ago) link

and R. Stevie Moore

naturemorte, Thursday, 5 May 2005 14:46 (fifteen years ago) link

Guided by Voices if they grew up listening to '80s pop radio instead of 60s and 70s classic rock. Plus he actually finishes the songs he writes.

walter kranz (walterkranz), Thursday, 5 May 2005 14:52 (fifteen years ago) link

The Cure are his biggest influence

i like The Doldrums A LOT, Worn Copy though, i don't know. It's not as catchy maybe, except for ' Jules Lost His Jewels'

rizzx (rizzx), Thursday, 5 May 2005 14:53 (fifteen years ago) link

dude, rizzx, you GOTTA get House Arrest. it's his best work to date.
also, dog latin, about the "played on good equipment" bit, when i saw him saturday night his keyboard player was playing a pretty shitty yamaha.

Fetchboy (Felcher), Thursday, 5 May 2005 16:02 (fifteen years ago) link

ah i have that on my HD, together with another album, something with Lovers? Don't know, but I'll listen to House Arrest as soon as i get home. Pink's the man. not very listenable on car stereo though

rizzx (rizzx), Thursday, 5 May 2005 16:32 (fifteen years ago) link

are all his CD-Rs going to be re-released eventually? He's got, like, 50+ or something, yes? Worn Copy is the shit..

poortheatre (poortheatre), Thursday, 5 May 2005 17:25 (fifteen years ago) link

"Apparently, the person who originally realeased House Arrest is not allowing Paw Tracks to reissue it.

-- mitch dub (w!mbis...), April 7th, 2005."
im not aware of the 50+ though.

Fetchboy (Felcher), Thursday, 5 May 2005 17:27 (fifteen years ago) link

someone was probably exaggerating..

poortheatre (poortheatre), Thursday, 5 May 2005 17:29 (fifteen years ago) link

It felt like 50+.

Andre Dawson (deangulberry), Thursday, 5 May 2005 18:03 (fifteen years ago) link

I'm not sure.

cozen (Cozen), Thursday, 5 May 2005 19:32 (fifteen years ago) link

not anymore.

cozen (Cozen), Thursday, 5 May 2005 19:32 (fifteen years ago) link

oh yes I am.

cozen (Cozen), Monday, 9 May 2005 20:09 (fifteen years ago) link

eight months pass...
House Arrest!

In LA Weekly article, he says he has "easily 200" cassettes lying around of albums and "masters".

fizzcaraldo (Justin M), Thursday, 12 January 2006 03:27 (fourteen years ago) link

I'm sure his parents don't appreciate him leaving all those tapes around the house.

account settings (account), Thursday, 12 January 2006 03:43 (fourteen years ago) link

one month passes...
So, has anyone seen him live yet?

He's playing Knitting Factory on Friday I think; just wondering what the hell he's gonna do with himself on stage.

Suzy Creemcheese (SuzyCreemcheese), Thursday, 23 February 2006 01:12 (fourteen years ago) link

haven't seen him live but "life in l.a." is truly one of my summer 2005 anthems.

dog latin (dog latin), Thursday, 23 February 2006 01:22 (fourteen years ago) link

Going in a few minutes. Interested to see how he works in his guest backing band.

Nigel (Nigel), Thursday, 23 February 2006 03:26 (fourteen years ago) link

Plz report back, soldier.

Suzy Creemcheese (SuzyCreemcheese), Thursday, 23 February 2006 03:36 (fourteen years ago) link

im guna go see him at 14 below!

chaki (chaki), Thursday, 23 February 2006 04:27 (fourteen years ago) link

In Seattle it was just him and his 8-track, apparently. I really wish he would get a competent live band going.

fizzcaraldo (Justin M), Thursday, 23 February 2006 07:00 (fourteen years ago) link

his backing band in ny is excepter. should be a spectactle if nothing else. or you could go for psychic ills.

earthly kitt (earthly), Thursday, 23 February 2006 07:11 (fourteen years ago) link

five months pass...
I've read a lot of reviews of Ariel Pink that use the same recurring descriptions: "twisted"; "sounds like (mention music from the 80s) but (then mention armageddon or satan or something that's meant to imply insanity) but his stuff doesn't strike me as crazy or dememnted at all. In fact when I heard that whole "mankind is a nazi" thing on 'Trepanated Earth' I found it more cute and quaint than crazy -- and a little embarrasing. I don't really get a crazy vibe from his stuff -- but it's certainly eccentric, for what that's worth.

Morgan Patrick (public_radio), Thursday, 10 August 2006 05:54 (thirteen years ago) link

Not eccentric, exactly. More like "eccentric."

Adam Beales (Pye Poudre), Thursday, 10 August 2006 11:28 (thirteen years ago) link

"shut up"

a name means a lot just by itself (lfam), Thursday, 10 August 2006 14:55 (thirteen years ago) link


a name means a lot just by itself (lfam), Thursday, 10 August 2006 14:56 (thirteen years ago) link

paper or plastic

i would like paper thanks

cousin larry bundgee (bundgee), Thursday, 10 August 2006 16:51 (thirteen years ago) link

"mankind is a nazi" is so obviously a joke (the delivery's pretty funny too)

Fetchboy (Felcher), Thursday, 10 August 2006 18:21 (thirteen years ago) link

"fuck you"

Shit, I guess that works for pretty much everything.


Adam Beales (Pye Poudre), Thursday, 10 August 2006 19:24 (thirteen years ago) link

ten months pass...

saw him the other night. he's finally got a good band together, a few sloppy parts but they really nailed the vocal harmonies and the weird time signitures. it actually SOUNDED just like his records too, which was weird.

babedad, Friday, 22 June 2007 05:19 (twelve years ago) link

he was selling these homemade CD-Rs with different artwork for $20, i bought 3 of em and then found out they all had the same songs on them..

babedad, Friday, 22 June 2007 05:20 (twelve years ago) link

Can't say I'm surprised.

Ned Raggett, Friday, 22 June 2007 05:23 (twelve years ago) link

that sucks.

But cool that he sounded good :D

Drooone, Friday, 22 June 2007 05:24 (twelve years ago) link

vudi from american music club is in this band now. which is weird. maybe I already said that upthread

akm, Friday, 22 June 2007 17:21 (twelve years ago) link

there is some staggering kaleidoscopic talent lurking beneath the temporal hipster trappings IMHO

-- duke due, Thursday, September 2, 2004 6:45 PM (2 years ago) Bookmark Link

not that i mind the hipster trappings too much per se, but this is entirely OTM

69, Friday, 22 June 2007 19:00 (twelve years ago) link

Vudi?! No wonder he sounds so good now.

henry s, Friday, 22 June 2007 19:04 (twelve years ago) link

it's too bad about this bullshit "hipster" stigma surrounding him, because he's by far the best songwriter out of any pop/rock/indie/whitebread variety these days and he's actually pretty funky too.

babedad, Sunday, 24 June 2007 09:02 (twelve years ago) link

all the stuff that came out during the last album cycle (all the stories of him kissing fans at shows without consent for example) has pushed him well beyond mere 'asshole' territory in my view so it's hard to have any interest in his stuff anymore

though i'm impressed that these reissues are making his already incomprehensible back catalogue even harder to understand - underground now has a significantly different and expanded tracklist from the previous release, and they're still reissuing the albums out of chronological order (but a different order to the previous widespread releases)

from what i remember underground was near unlistenable and the only two truly worthwhile albums from his lo-fi period were house arrest and the doldrums. the rest all had their moments but were bloated and inconsistent and mostly just curiosities

ufo, Saturday, 2 November 2019 01:19 (six months ago) link

no worn copy and house arrest were pretty perfect too

brimstead, Saturday, 2 November 2019 02:39 (six months ago) link

Loverboy I mean

brimstead, Saturday, 2 November 2019 02:39 (six months ago) link

Scared Famous, in certain configurations, is one of his best.

flappy bird, Saturday, 2 November 2019 03:08 (six months ago) link

Wow, any more details on that lawsuit?

Pink and another student did a large pencil collage in which they depicted students, staff and faculty having sex, and the lawsuit alleged that it had created a hostile working environment; CalArts won the case on the grounds of a non-censorship policy, though Pink was made to apologize. Looks like the court brief is here.

eatandoph (Neue Jesse Schule), Saturday, 2 November 2019 03:49 (six months ago) link

5.  The drawing was the students' response to an art theory that characterized representational art as passé and incapable of evoking a strong response.   See footnote 11, below.

11.  In their declarations submitted in support of CalArts's motion for summary judgment, student artists Ariel Rosenberg and Jeremy Ringermacher explained the motivation for The Last Art Piece:  “At CalArts, there is a tendency when art is critiqued to categorize a work as representational or conceptual.   Representational artwork is an actual representation of the item depicted.   Conceptual artwork goes beyond the actual item depicted and communicates additional ideas and concepts.   During the time that I have attended CalArts, faculty and students have debated the impact of representational art versus conceptual art, and some people have characterized representational art as passé and incapable of provoking a strong response.   Ringermacher and I decided to create a piece of art that mixed and confused these two concepts and evoked a critical response.”   In his letter of apology to Herberg, Rosenberg stated “I never intended to harm anyone.”

12.  The context in which the alleged harassment took place also supports our decision.  (See Fisher, supra, 214 Cal.App.3d at pp. 609-610, 262 Cal.Rptr. 842.)   We see a vast difference between posting obscene cartoons in a men's room, as was done in Bennett, supra, 845 F.2d 104, and the display of The Last Art Piece in the designated gallery area at an art school.   CalArts's non-censorship policy was widely distributed to both students and employees.   In our view it was reasonable to expect that exhibitions of student artwork would, from time to time, include sexually-explicit material. Although we reject CalArts's contention that its anti-censorship policy and the First Amendment exempt it from the laws against sexual harassment, in this case the context of the display further militates against a finding of severe or pervasive harassment.

flappy bird, Saturday, 2 November 2019 04:03 (six months ago) link

I dont agree with Underground as being 'unlistenable' at all - to my ears seems like a consistent set of melodically inventive damaged pop songs in the vein of Syd Barrett/ GBV etc

clouds (peanutbuttereverysingleday), Saturday, 2 November 2019 21:45 (six months ago) link

I'd not heard Underground before last week. I doubt it would have elicited a "Wow, WTF?" if it had been my first exposure to AP instead of The Doldrums.

Nag! Nag! Nag!, Sunday, 3 November 2019 11:12 (six months ago) link

three months pass...

I heard this today and thought it would appeal to AP fans. From 1981.

Publicradio (3×5), Friday, 21 February 2020 16:13 (three months ago) link

And here's a little something for the R. Stevie fans. From 1980.

Publicradio (3×5), Friday, 21 February 2020 16:16 (three months ago) link

Been meaning to check out Dome for a while—those are both awesome! Also the three best Ariel Pink albums are the next batch of reissues. Equally scared/excited to hear cleaned-up House Arrest.

J. Sam, Saturday, 22 February 2020 20:13 (three months ago) link

Cleaned-up Crybaby is out

PaulTMA, Saturday, 22 February 2020 20:17 (three months ago) link

AP is in a shot of the Safdie bro’s’ heaven knows what during the Central Park bandshell Scene. T koh is also credited bit I didn’t spot him.

calstars, Saturday, 22 February 2020 21:05 (three months ago) link

one month passes...

So the early stuff is coming out in remastered and "reworked" editions. Any idea what is meant by that? Re-recordings, remixes?

licorice oratorio (baaderonixx), Thursday, 2 April 2020 08:48 (one month ago) link

the previous reissues in the series (loverboy and underground) had changes to the tracklists compared to the previously widely available releases. loverboy's changes were small but underground was significantly expanded. the new transfers from the original cassettes sounded much better than the existing releases

the tracklists for the next wave of releases (the doldrums/worn copy/house arrest) are the same as before though, and the notes for the doldrums here mentions the sources

ufo, Thursday, 2 April 2020 09:26 (one month ago) link

three weeks pass...

New single with Jorge

calstars, Friday, 24 April 2020 20:50 (one month ago) link

Can’t say it’s as catchy as the other stuff they’ve done together though 😞

calstars, Friday, 24 April 2020 20:55 (one month ago) link

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