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i remember NME giving better... a 9 on its initial release but then they quickly soured on them after the nanny in manhattan commercial and decided to give the reissue a 2. the reissue has the nice b-side from nanny in manhattan on it, i forget what it was called. i remember having the sub-pop single and i taped it and for some reason it played slightly too fast and after i fixed it i realized it sounded better sped up slightly but i had already taped over the songs. he needs to make a record with andrew prinz producing but i imagine his ego is too out of control for that.

keith m (keithmcl), Monday, 25 April 2005 01:28 (fifteen years ago) link

I think the Nanny b-side is "More Than That is Deserved."

BlastsOfStatic (BlastsofStatic), Monday, 25 April 2005 12:41 (fifteen years ago) link

weird, i woke up this morning and put on history of amazing letdowns just to hear "ginger".

if you've got a moment, folks should check out this philly band called THE A-SIDES []. they started off as this rudimentary garage / 60's throwback on their first single but their recently released full length is as close as you're going to get to the second coming of classic lilys. and the thing is, when i listen to the record, there's no blatant ripping off of heasley's style -- its just got a similar vibe to the classic records. best local release of the year, hands down.

maria tessa sciarrino (theoreticalgirl), Monday, 25 April 2005 12:42 (fifteen years ago) link

Purchased and eagerly awaited. Thanks for the tip.

BlastsOfStatic (BlastsofStatic), Monday, 25 April 2005 12:45 (fifteen years ago) link

he needs to make a record with andrew prinz producing

he certainly does. actually a lot of people do. he's the twee nigel godrich.

shine headlights on me (electricsound), Monday, 25 April 2005 22:21 (fifteen years ago) link

it's true. man he'd be perfect for the radio dept. too.

keith m (keithmcl), Monday, 25 April 2005 23:27 (fifteen years ago) link

two years pass...
hay guyz i dont know anything about these dudes but i think this record is amazing

and what, Sunday, 13 May 2007 13:08 (thirteen years ago) link

no foolin'

"returns every morning" and "welfare murder plot" both shit all over everything the shins have and could ever do, and i like the shins.

this is still true (except i like the shins less now)

electricsound, Sunday, 13 May 2007 22:38 (thirteen years ago) link

I have every Lilys record on my iPod at ALL TIMES.

Maybe I am insane.

I think "Better Can't Make Your Life Better" is my favorite.

I still wear cords...

Saxby D. Elder, Monday, 14 May 2007 03:23 (thirteen years ago) link

the last lilys record was not good.

keythkeyth, Monday, 14 May 2007 04:26 (thirteen years ago) link

eleven months pass...

"ginger" from A Brief History of Amazing Letdowns" is catchy as hell. I can see Ned's complaints about their more-MBV sounding stuff. They aren't all that great at it (which, given the setting, is what you saw at that Terrastock set you mention upthread?). As dlp9001 sorta points out above, trying to do too much in some songs, not enough in others. When their songs are pop-y, they're quite fun.

john. a resident of chicago., Saturday, 3 May 2008 17:50 (twelve years ago) link

i would listen to 'in the presence of nothing' before either mbv album any day of the week

electricsound, Saturday, 3 May 2008 18:27 (twelve years ago) link

Eccsame The Photon Band is an excellent album.
That split with a Aspera Ad Astra is smart too.

Moving away from the MBVisms to the Kinks - I thought that 'Better Can't Make....' was wholly listenable for want of a less boring description.

I love me some Lilys. Talented geezer.

Fer Ark, Saturday, 3 May 2008 18:52 (twelve years ago) link

They aren't all that great at it (which, given the setting, is what you saw at that Terrastock set you mention upthread?).

I honestly can't remember. We're talking six years ago now!

Ned Raggett, Saturday, 3 May 2008 18:59 (twelve years ago) link

Def. The Three Way, which is the most Zombie-like. "Socs Hip." I don't have that record anymore and can't find it anywhere.

Kate, Sunday, 4 May 2008 15:14 (twelve years ago) link

I still listen to Zero Population Growth on occasion, but now I honestly can't remember much of their other albums.

Elvis Telecom, Monday, 5 May 2008 16:41 (twelve years ago) link

Some of the through-composition on The 3-Way is ridiculously impressive; I think it let itself get written off as a pastiche record, but it had that great pastiche-record quality where having heavy inspiration lets you make something a million times more complex and ornate and ambitious than a lot of the stuff you're drawing on.

There's a song on Eccsame called "The Hermit Crab," which I listened to once on a listening station in 1996 or so. I didn't buy the record, but the song stuck with me enough that I spent years afterward trying to re-write it myself, a bit, from bad memory: I'd try and write a song something like this great song whose details I couldn't begin to remember. I dug the song up, recently, and it was a bit weird to listen to: every other hook, riff, or melody has some distorted misremembered cousin in songs I've written since then. (Even one three-word snippet of lyrics!) I suppose a decent amount of the original wound up embedded deep in my head, and kept coming out without my realizing it.

nabisco, Monday, 5 May 2008 18:08 (twelve years ago) link

There's an unreleased song that can be downloaded from the lilys' myspace page called "The right thing to do." It's odd, and not a greatest hit or anything. After downloading it, I notice that it's already labeled as track #10, and now I wonder just how many other unreleased tracks there are. Hmmmm.

dlp9001, Tuesday, 13 May 2008 16:13 (twelve years ago) link

I can see Ned's complaints about their more-MBV sounding stuff. They aren't all that great at it

they were about as good at it as anyone else; consider the sliver of money they recorded that first album on and, sonically, how close it is to Loveless (and consider when it was recorded as well), that's impressive. Songwriting wise it doesn't match up but everything else is close enough in my book.

I still think Eccsame the Photon Band is better though

akm, Tuesday, 13 May 2008 17:43 (twelve years ago) link

i am hoping the mythical pas/cal album will end up in the place where i wish the lilys had ended up after 'the 3-way'. the first song from the pas/cal album is very lilys, well from that time period.

keythkeyth, Wednesday, 14 May 2008 01:39 (twelve years ago) link

seven months pass...

what up bitches i still dig this can anybody recommend other 60s type ish with real memorable hooks that i can go live inside whenever i get tired of how fuckin b.s. rap in 09 is

and what, Tuesday, 13 January 2009 05:39 (eleven years ago) link

lol this song always reminds me how i eff w/ these dudes

and what, Tuesday, 13 January 2009 05:41 (eleven years ago) link

i heartily recommend outrageous cherry

Lemonade In Hammocks (electricsound), Tuesday, 13 January 2009 05:57 (eleven years ago) link

five months pass...

I guess I never paid enough attention to their "indie rock" album Brief History of Amazing Letdowns. Suddenly it sounds awfully good.

Someone was playing "Ginger" at a bakery that I went to the other day, and jesus it's great! I saw a movie not long ago (Keeping Up With The Steins) that has "Any Place I've Lived" over the closing credits. Took me a while to realize who it was. Their stealth album?

dlp9001, Sunday, 28 June 2009 19:51 (eleven years ago) link

two months pass...

Whoa I didn't realize somebody was talking about them so recently (relatively) on here. I found that album used in April or May and I love it. Its their most consistent of their early period (which I guess is easier since its their briefest) but yeah it hasn't aged one bit as far as I'm concerned.

Evan, Wednesday, 16 September 2009 04:53 (ten years ago) link

i am otm all over this thread

suzi cointreau (electricsound), Wednesday, 16 September 2009 04:57 (ten years ago) link

Loves them Lilys.

'Better..' is a desert island record.

Why they never made it on that stupid Neu tribute disc is beyond me.

MaresNest, Wednesday, 16 September 2009 11:04 (ten years ago) link

four months pass...

People who like really big sounding songs should do themselves a favor and listen to "Eskimo" off of the Tone Bender EP.

Evan, Monday, 15 February 2010 14:23 (ten years ago) link

been listening to the 3-way a lot recently and loving it.

mizzell, Monday, 15 February 2010 14:41 (ten years ago) link

I tried that one, but I can't get behind it. Its not bad, but I just feel cheated by them cause its so opposite of the sound they had that I love. This problem would have been 90% solved if they just decided to go by a different band name when they went all Kinks-y.

Evan, Monday, 15 February 2010 14:45 (ten years ago) link

two weeks pass...

Eccsame the Photon Band is pure nostalgia for me.
It may not be their most unique or consistent record, but it always pleases me.

Trip Maker, Tuesday, 2 March 2010 16:59 (ten years ago) link

Is Day Of The Monkey on that one? I love that song.

kornrulez6969, Tuesday, 2 March 2010 17:25 (ten years ago) link

Its so great, but whenever I try to play it for (most) people I know, they seem bored. As an album, not for pop fans.

Evan, Tuesday, 2 March 2010 17:29 (ten years ago) link

Day of the Monkey is on that one and it was the song I was listening to when I wrote the post.

Trip Maker, Tuesday, 2 March 2010 17:33 (ten years ago) link

To my ears it's inconsistent in sound and almost a little too low-key in places but I really love that album. It gets better with repeated listening.

You Weaked It! (MaresNest), Tuesday, 2 March 2010 17:40 (ten years ago) link

Oh it also totally soundtracked my first sexual experience so that probably has something to do with my fondness for it.

Trip Maker, Tuesday, 2 March 2010 17:43 (ten years ago) link

Also I disagree with you Trip on the uniqueness. Definitely their most unique.

Evan, Tuesday, 2 March 2010 17:49 (ten years ago) link

Yeah, I guess that makes sense, too.
Such a schizo band.

Trip Maker, Tuesday, 2 March 2010 17:57 (ten years ago) link

so weird that the 3-Way gets so much hate. sure its pastiche, but that is some of the best-written pastiche ever. the arrangements are just INSANE, packed with so much detail, tons of bizarre changes and chords all held together by a seemingly endless supply of memorable hooks. I don't think its their best and I like all their incarnations, just felt this album needed defending.

mark roflr (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 2 March 2010 17:59 (ten years ago) link

yeah I completely agree

puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Tuesday, 2 March 2010 18:02 (ten years ago) link

also I saw this dude live a few months ago and it was quite possibly the worst show I've seen in a while

puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Tuesday, 2 March 2010 18:03 (ten years ago) link

i think the 3 way is my favorite. haven't been able to get into eccsame, but i just heard it for the first time in the last year or so, and i was into better and 3 way when they came out.

mizzell, Tuesday, 2 March 2010 18:16 (ten years ago) link

I don't hate the 3-Way, but I love the early stuff sooo much that 3-Way is a betrayal, regardless of its quality on its own.

Evan, Tuesday, 2 March 2010 18:45 (ten years ago) link

band doesn't owe you anything FYI

mark roflr (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 2 March 2010 18:52 (ten years ago) link

Haha I know, I didn't mean it that way. I really just can't get enough of their earlier sound. Again I don't dislike the later stuff.

Evan, Tuesday, 2 March 2010 18:57 (ten years ago) link

funnily enough the only songs that worked live for me were one off of amazing letdowns

puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Tuesday, 2 March 2010 19:02 (ten years ago) link


puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Tuesday, 2 March 2010 19:03 (ten years ago) link

eleven months pass...

anyone have mp3s of the Which Studies The Past? 7" they'd like to share?

mizzell, Monday, 28 February 2011 21:40 (nine years ago) link

also interested in the better-era b-sides, touch the water and more than that is deserved

mizzell, Monday, 28 February 2011 21:43 (nine years ago) link

the 2nd of 'better' with the blue cover has those 2 b-sides on it, i'm sure that's probably hanging round the blogs somewhere

i did have the 'studies' mp3s but they were such a poor rip i deleted them, sorry... i need to rip my own copy but that will probably happen shortly after the loveless reissue comes out

haydens gonna hade (electricsound), Monday, 28 February 2011 21:46 (nine years ago) link

thanks you're the best!

Evan, Tuesday, 12 November 2019 17:44 (eight months ago) link

wait that is not the Services EP

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 12 November 2019 17:50 (eight months ago) link

guess I should've read up a few posts lol, n/m

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 12 November 2019 17:53 (eight months ago) link

Lol, I can upload that too if you like?

Maresn3st, Tuesday, 12 November 2019 18:14 (eight months ago) link

ooh yes plz

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 12 November 2019 18:17 (eight months ago) link

Here y'go -

Maresn3st, Tuesday, 12 November 2019 18:23 (eight months ago) link

thx yr the best

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 12 November 2019 18:24 (eight months ago) link

That 1992 "Station Tapes" version of TASS is incredible via headphones, amazing that he felt that version was not up to snuff!

Though I do love the 1998 version as well.

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Tuesday, 19 November 2019 18:18 (seven months ago) link

three weeks pass...

There's a new Lilys song on the Lodge 49 soundtrack that just came out, "Unheard of Curiosities"

Vaguely Threatening CAPTCHAs, Monday, 16 December 2019 17:28 (six months ago) link

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Monday, 16 December 2019 17:40 (six months ago) link

From his 2006 bio:

Not so long ago Kurt’s wife went out and didn’t come back. She might one day. For now Kurt is a single father of 3 children. He was himself expelled from high school after 42 absences. Turns out he was at home sequencing software and fiddling with editing software. There are worse things 15 year olds can do. It’s been tough bringing up the kids alone so he was glad of the helping hands of producer Mike Musammo when it came to making the new record.

BCMYLB was released 10 years previous, and listening back to the lyrics with this relationship in mind, certain lines/phrases seem rather personal in a way that 1996 lyrics of his peers were not.

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Thursday, 19 December 2019 17:54 (six months ago) link

two months pass...

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Saturday, 14 March 2020 23:06 (four months ago) link

one month passes...

oof at that last revive.

Just noticed that the vinyl and CD of Brief History... have different track listings. Is "Glosseder" the same song as "Evel Knievel" or a different one?

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Wednesday, 6 May 2020 17:39 (two months ago) link

Yeah Glosseder is a different song.

Evan, Wednesday, 6 May 2020 20:31 (two months ago) link


Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Wednesday, 6 May 2020 21:15 (two months ago) link

It's a vinyl rip -

Maresn3st, Wednesday, 6 May 2020 21:45 (two months ago) link

<3 2 U Maresn3st

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Wednesday, 6 May 2020 21:54 (two months ago) link

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