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"Even Donna" - wtf?

Donna was probably just as proficient a musician as Phil Lesh (making her twice as proficient as Bob Weir) and an all around great, great vocalist. Her live performances were hit and miss due to lack of proper monitor support, everyone knows that.

She never gets a fair shake. It's not like she was Linda McCartney fer chrissakes.

The Godchauxes broght so much life (not to mention a a very vital jazz-informed musical eloquence) to The Dead. I love Pigpen and Mydland as much as the nxt guy, but the 70s are where it's AT because of Keith and Donna!

roger adultery (roger adultery), Sunday, 25 July 2004 17:54 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

two months pass...
Disk one of Vol. 23 rules. I have to admit, though, that the "China Cat Sunflower" / "I Know You Rider" medley gets sooo tiresome after listening to Dick's Picks.

Rocking the Rhein is good stuff as well.

frankE (frankE), Wednesday, 29 September 2004 18:48 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

the "Dark Star" on Rockin' the Rhein is eyeball-melting

Matos W.K. (M Matos), Wednesday, 29 September 2004 18:54 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

I bought Dick's Picks 22 on a fleeting whim a few days ago.
I'm a little regretful of it now.
Feb '68 show at a Lake Tahoe bowling alley. Vocals are rarely audible (which I guess isn't always a bad thing, har har).
Now I'm wanting Rockin the Rhein.
I think I need a break from the Dead.

Sean Witzman (trip maker), Wednesday, 29 September 2004 19:11 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

I just listened to Reckoning this past Friday night. Always a treat to pull that one out.

Roy Williams Highlight (diamond), Wednesday, 29 September 2004 19:27 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

'Two From the Vault' is v.good...it's mastered or mixed really well for headphones. And at the end of 'Morning Dew' the house pulls the electricity from them, great moment.

57 7th (calstars), Wednesday, 29 September 2004 20:26 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

"It's when you see/hear them live that it all makes sense."

Au contraire. Au contraire.

Hurting (Hurting), Wednesday, 29 September 2004 21:42 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

"The Dead are the greatest American rock and roll band of all time."

i take umbrage with this comment.
and so would CCR.

me rawk.
you snow.

eedd, Wednesday, 29 September 2004 23:18 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Regarding my last post, in case it's not clear, I mean to say that they SUCK LIVE. I don't get it.

Hurting (Hurting), Wednesday, 29 September 2004 23:20 (fourteen years ago) Permalink


Blues for Allah is the best thing they ever did, according to me

Help/Slip/Frank rules

Jackson, Wednesday, 29 September 2004 23:22 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Donna's "soulful" scream at the end of "Scarlet Begonias" on Dick's Picks 7 is the most out-of-key singing I've heard on an officially released record.

Mark (MarkR), Thursday, 30 September 2004 03:11 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

apparently there's a letter to the editor in the new Arthur from me regarding The Dead, but i haven't seen it. i can't get it here

roger adultery (roger adultery), Thursday, 30 September 2004 04:49 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

one month passes...
HELP - I'm visiting a well-stocked Deadhead (over 300 shows) who has kindly offered to let me borrow whatever I want from his stash - any suggestions as to what I shld look out for - keep in mind that I generally prefer Dead Stuff w/ LOTS of guitar solos, the freakier the better, and am less concerned abt 'songs' per se

Thank You

Uncle John, Saturday, 27 November 2004 21:20 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

one month passes...
I just got this Jerry Garcia Band 3-CD Kean College set from 1980 that Rhino put out last fall. S'good! I'm just a dabbler in the Dead, but this is close to perfect -- nice sparse 4-piece, warmly recorded, the grooves don't overwhelm the songs and vice-versa -- I mean, the grooves are songlike, and the songs are groovelike. And maybe because he doesn't have to work to make himself heard, Jerry's playing is even more loose and gentle than usual. The solos are like barstool conversations. I think I'm going to be listening to this a lot.

gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Sunday, 9 January 2005 08:49 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

yah that shit kicks ass

chaki in charge (chaki), Sunday, 9 January 2005 09:05 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

two months pass...
May check out that Jerry band thing. Has anyone heard the No. 29 6CD thing from '77? Curious about that as well.

Mark (MarkR), Thursday, 31 March 2005 18:07 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

One more chance at an answer re No. 29. I orderd the Jerry Band thing yesterday.

Mark (MarkR), Friday, 1 April 2005 14:01 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Not Dick's Picks, but...

Does this new version sound better:
Europe '72 Remastered with bonus tracks?

Lemonade Salesman (Eleventy-Twelve), Friday, 1 April 2005 15:17 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Mark, I haven't heard 29, but I've heard that show and it is extremely good, particularly if you like the 77-78 style. You really can't go wrong with any show from 5/77 if you like that stuff (I think that period is a little over-rated, but its good). I think the Dick's Picks from Englishtown, NJ in 9/77 (I think it's like no. 21 or something) is a better show, though, so if you want a 77 show, go with that. The 77 NYE show is also shit-hot. (I think that's in the teens somewhere).

And LS, Europe 72 sounds better (though the original still sounds fine to me) and the bonus tracks are worth it.

Scott CE (Scott CE), Friday, 1 April 2005 17:02 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Thanks. I had heard Phils bass was too high in the mix or something on the reissue.

Lemonade Salesman (Eleventy-Twelve), Friday, 1 April 2005 17:08 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

It's higher, yeah. I guess whether it's too high is a matter of taste.

Scott CE (Scott CE), Friday, 1 April 2005 17:32 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Thanks, Scott. Do love 77-78 era, & I like to see a "Scarlet-->Fire" in there somewhere, so maybe 29 is worth a shot (looks like it's the only one of the '77 Dick's Picks to have one).

Mark (MarkR), Friday, 1 April 2005 17:52 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

I just wanted to point out for people who still don't know it...

YOU DON'T HAVE TO SPEND MONEY ON GREAT LIVE DEAD RECORDINGS. Archive.org and Furthur both have plenty of 1st rate SOUNDBOARD and other high quality recordings.

Download these for starters FOR FREE:

1977-05-08 - "one of the best" (5/7 and 5/9 were good, too)

1972-05-26 - soundboard

1977-05-26 - (same month/day as above, but different year)

1977-11-06 - "one of he best"

1970-05-02 - Harpur College (hard to find, but available as a Dick's Pick if you can't find it as a free download)

1971-04-28(?) - Fillmore East

1971 - Port Chester

1969 - Ark

1973 - Pavillion

1978 - Red Rocks

1973-11-11

1972-05-26

1968-02-14

1969-03-16

1970-02-13

1970-05-06

1981-02-21

1985-04-08

Lots of these are available as soundboard (SBD), just look for it. The Soundboards from 77 were especially high quality.

Sorry the dates are not in chronological order, but I started out doing it highest quality first and then I just went through my discs and chose the best for sound quality and performance. The above represent a good many hours of great live Dead: flub-free, energetic and good singing.

... and YES, I did learn all about bold punctuation from comic books!

Lemonade Salesman (Eleventy-Twelve), Saturday, 2 April 2005 02:41 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

dude you're paying for "dick's picks" though not full shows... no on could edit like dick.

charleston charge (chaki), Saturday, 2 April 2005 02:46 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

The above shows don't need editing, IMO. Some shows do, plenty do not!

Lemonade Salesman (Eleventy-Twelve), Saturday, 2 April 2005 02:50 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

... besides, aren't most Dick's Picks full shows? They're mostly 3 or 4 discers, which is inkeeping with those listed above. Some were highly circulated boots before they became Dick's Picks. I think a lot of what you're paying for is some remastering, but the free soundboard FLAC or SHN shows are so high-quality they often sound like official releases.

As far as paying $$...

I think "Go To Nassau" is just FANTASTIC! "Live Without A Net" is way overlooked, too, although I can see why people wouldn't like it. It grows on you, though.

Lemonade Salesman (Eleventy-Twelve), Saturday, 2 April 2005 03:05 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

I totally left out some of the best quality I've found yet (Just downloaded recently and were in my bag):

1977-06-09 - soundboard
1977-02-26 - soundboard
1977-04-22 - soundboard
1969-02-22 - soundboard

all totally killer quality top notch, but I'm not familiar enough to tell apart the 77's yet. I think 06-09 is the one that really is blowing me away lately.

Lemonade Salesman (Eleventy-Twelve), Saturday, 2 April 2005 03:15 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Up above that should say "best quality I've found LATELY" (not "found yet").

Lemonade Salesman (Eleventy-Twelve), Saturday, 2 April 2005 03:30 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

you are otm actually

charleston charge (chaki), Saturday, 2 April 2005 03:42 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

seven months pass...
Listening to a bunch of live Dead recently I've determined definitely my favorite eras in order of preference are:

'77 - '78
'72
'69 - '70
'74

I like the warmer, funkier mid-70s stuff more than the turn of the '70s acid, I guess. Curious if there is anything in the '80s that might interest me. Downloaded a couple of supposedly great shows from '79 and Jerry was already sounding pretty rough.

Mark (MarkR), Monday, 14 November 2005 15:43 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

two weeks pass...
Looks like you can't download shows from archive.org anymore.

Mark (MarkR), Monday, 28 November 2005 23:59 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

three weeks pass...
Anybody else picked up this Rare Cuts and Oddities: 1966 thing that they are selling at gdstore.com ??

It's incredible: early Dead at their greaser/psychedelic-Tex-Mex best. The fidelity is insane too, it's like these cuts were recorded yesterday. It sounds way better than even the stuff on that Birth of the Dead comp. so crazy. There's a slowed down version of "Cream Puff War" on here that's great, a studio "Standing on the Corner", a version of "Stealin" that has an arrangement that's totally cooler than the one from the 1st single!!!!! I am not shitting you! this version of "Stealin'" is just tough ... it's just incredible. Any 1st album fan (and if you're *not* a first album fan yer nuts, get outta my face) needs to get this at once..

Stormy Davis (diamond), Friday, 23 December 2005 06:47 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

I've been getting into these through digital download at the gdstore (considerably cheaper than the imported CDs here):

Two From the Vault (1968) - really good

Grateful Dead Download Series Number 6 (also 1968)- also very good

but Dick's Pick's 12 (1974) - which is a favourite of Suzy Creamcheese, I think , from another thread - is a soft ultra-noodley show.

Which were the more harder jamming/ rocking years?

Bob Six (bobbysix), Wednesday, 28 December 2005 16:02 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

67-69 are def. the dead's 'hard jamming' years - garcia esp. seemed to play w/ much more venom during this period - check out the jams on tunes like The Other One, New Potato Caboose, Alligator/Caution/Feedback, Viola Lee Blues - i think you'll dig Dick's Picks 22 (a rare 68 show that SMOKES) or the 3 disc 69 Fillmore West set that Rhino have just put out

in his autobiog Phil Lesh sez that 74 (the 'wall of sound' era) was the Dead's finest year musically, and i sorta agree w/ him - personally i like the noodle-jazz stuff they got into round about 72-74, def. post-Bitches Brew rock music (and they cld still get pretty intense when they wanted to - just a diff. sound/emphasis). garcia certainly swapped gtrs round abt 70 and that seemed to make a major diff. to his playing

Ward Fowler (Ward Fowler), Wednesday, 28 December 2005 19:55 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

three weeks pass...
The 60's were definately the best era, to my taste. To me the music died with Europe 72, and maybe before that.

I'm looking for the best recording of Dark Star - other than Live/Dead (which is just incredible). Is there another recording that is nearly as awesome, yet different?

Is the Greyfold 1-hour remix any good?

Other One, Saturday, 21 January 2006 18:48 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Grayfolded is really nice, you should get it.

Mark (MarkR), Saturday, 21 January 2006 18:59 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Grayfolded actually ends up being two hours I think (2 discs).

And I don't know, '73 Dark Stars are my favorite ('73 was my favorite year). There is a capital Dark Star from one of these '73 DPs ... Dick's Picks Volume 19, maybe? '73 was a great year for Playings and Eyes, both of which are represented well on this DPs.

Suzy Creemcheese (SuzyCreemcheese), Saturday, 21 January 2006 22:42 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

What was the consensus on that 11 disk Fillmore West? Or are people still working their way through it?

I bought one but I'm keeping it in shrink-wrapped mint condition as an investment for the time being.

Bob Six (bobbysix), Saturday, 21 January 2006 23:11 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

four months pass...
The jazzy Star on Dick's Picks Vol. 11 (720927) is wonderful.
As are 731111 and 731206 and the wonderful Winterland 740224,
which merges into an equally beautiful Morning Dew.
This is something I probably shouldn't admit, but I'm sad enough to have
a thirteen-and-a-half hour iPod playlist, consisting of Stars from 1968 (single version)
to 891026, when the tune reappeared after a long absence, I think ...

Mats Blomqvist (Blomqvist), Tuesday, 30 May 2006 06:57 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Dark Star reappeared at Hampton Coliseum on 10/9/89, I think. I could be wrong, but the Nighfall of Diamonds release was from a show around that time.

Suzy Creemcheese (SuzyCreemcheese), Tuesday, 30 May 2006 12:34 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Dark Star reappeared at Hampton Coliseum on 10/9/89, I think.
You're right, of course. The audience reaction there is fantastic.
I think the 891026 Star is considered o be one of the best late ones
and it's the only one I've got from that year.
The Rotterdam one (720511) is another favourite of mine.

Mats Blomqvist (Blomqvist), Tuesday, 30 May 2006 13:31 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

two weeks pass...
Yeah, what happened to archive? Do they only allow streaming now or what?

Lee is Free (Lee is Free), Friday, 16 June 2006 15:33 (twelve years ago) Permalink

You can download audience recordings but not the soundboards.

BrianB (BrianB), Friday, 16 June 2006 16:01 (twelve years ago) Permalink

six months pass...
Are Dick's Picks history?

Mark (MarkR), Thursday, 11 January 2007 03:31 (twelve years ago) Permalink

let's hope so.

the table is the table (treesessplode), Thursday, 11 January 2007 04:41 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Can't really tell ... they've been releasing stuff all over the place, so it's tough to keep track. I know they just released July 4th '89, which kinda sucks because it's been available in SBD for so long. But I guess a ton of shows have. And I guess that's why I haven't bothered with a Dick's Picks in ages (although they all tend to be great).

Jamesy (SuzyCreemcheese), Thursday, 11 January 2007 04:43 (twelve years ago) Permalink

ALTHOUGH I dug out the So Many Roads recently, which I'll throw into SEARCH.

Jamesy (SuzyCreemcheese), Thursday, 11 January 2007 04:47 (twelve years ago) Permalink

seven months pass...

Has anyone heard Three From the Vault yet? I'm definitely going to pick this one up.

Trip Maker, Thursday, 23 August 2007 19:12 (eleven years ago) Permalink

RELEASE 8/27/72 SBD WTF
35 YEARS SOONE HOMMIE

▒█▄█ ▄▄ ▒█▄█, Friday, 24 August 2007 02:08 (eleven years ago) Permalink

lots on webarchive.org, tho i think i've got several (on ancient cassette, so mebbe time for refreshments)

dow, Sunday, 26 August 2007 03:53 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Anyone else think about this commercial all the time?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IllSfSNZFSM

peace, man, Friday, 1 February 2019 23:38 (four months ago) Permalink

I read that the Dead paid everyone in their crew -- roadies, drivers, techs, soundpeople -- the same amount that the band members got paid for a show. So, whatever Jerry made on a show, that's what the truck driver made, too.

Anyone know if that was true? And if so, did it continue into the '80s and '90s?

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Saturday, 2 February 2019 01:03 (four months ago) Permalink

i don't know if that's true but i know they paid health insurance etc

global tetrahedron, Saturday, 2 February 2019 06:28 (four months ago) Permalink

Wow, I do faintly remember that ad

i stan corrected (morrisp), Saturday, 2 February 2019 06:46 (four months ago) Permalink

I totally remember that but it meant nothing to me at the time as I was still pissed that the Dead didn’t sound like sabbath.

Also is that Spike Lee in there?

joygoat, Saturday, 2 February 2019 16:19 (four months ago) Permalink

He directed the ad iirc.

peace, man, Saturday, 2 February 2019 16:35 (four months ago) Permalink

from the same campaign as the rob liefeld levis ad. heady times

adam, Saturday, 2 February 2019 16:55 (four months ago) Permalink

I feel like that was a trend in the early ‘90s, high-profile directors bringing “prestige” to TV commercials... guess it doesn’t really happen now (maybe b/c commercials are often skipped)?

i stan corrected (morrisp), Saturday, 2 February 2019 16:59 (four months ago) Permalink

yeah David Lynch, PTA, and I think even Tarantino did commercials in the 90s.

afaik that detail about pay could be correct, perhaps exaggerated, but in the 4 hour doc from a couple years ago, it was stressed how much Jerry felt obligated to keep the machine going despite his poor health and addiction issues because if he stopped, even for a season, he'd be putting hundreds of people out of work.

flappy bird, Sunday, 3 February 2019 22:36 (four months ago) Permalink

the '90s was definitely lynch's ad-making peak, he's done ads since then but not as many as he did in the '90s

his playstation 2 ad was pretty memorable

you know, in '81 he did a music video (sparks' "i predict"), in the 2000s he did online videos. the man adapts with the times.

The Elvis of Nationalism and Amoral Patriotism (rushomancy), Sunday, 3 February 2019 22:45 (four months ago) Permalink

five years from now people will want to know the thread where david lynch's playstation 2 ad is discussed and it'll turn out to be the grateful dead live thread, and everybody will say "of course!"

The Elvis of Nationalism and Amoral Patriotism (rushomancy), Sunday, 3 February 2019 22:47 (four months ago) Permalink

three months pass...

from Rolling Stone---thanks Jon Blistein (I hope to catch up with the 50th Anniversary series this Fourth of July weekend):
The Grateful Dead will include a set of unreleased music taken from a handful of 1969 shows on the upcoming 50th anniversary reissue of Aoxomoxoa, out June 7th.

The set will feature two versions of Aoxomoxoa: A newly remastered version of the original 1969 LP and a remastered version of the band-produced mix the Dead released in 1971. The reissue’s bonus disc will boast live music recorded January 24th to 26th, 1969 at the Avalon Ballroom in San Francisco, California (the recordings were among the first live performances recorded to 16-track tape).


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“In 1969, for their third album, the Grateful Dead eschewed outside producers and created Aoxomoxoa themselves, beginning a run of self-produced albums that would continue until 1977,” said Grateful Dead archivist Dave Lemieux in a statement. “Scrapping the first sessions, which were recorded to eight-track tape, the Dead now had 16 tracks with which to experiment their psychedelic sound, with an album that included entirely Robert Hunter-penned lyrics for the first time.”

The bonus disc of live material includes several gems, including two early versions of Aoxomoxoa tracks, “Durpee’s Diamond Blues” and “Doin’ That Rag,” as well as the final live performance of “Clementine,” a song the Dead began playing in 1968 but never released on a studio album. The Dead lineup at the time of the Avalon shows was Jerry Garcia, Bob Weir, Ron “Pigpen” McKernan, Phil Lesh, Tom Constanten, Mickey Hart, and Bill Kreutzmann.

The 50th anniversary version of Aoxomoxoa is available to pre-order and will be released as a two-disc CD set and a limited edition vinyl picture disc.

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dow, Saturday, 1 June 2019 23:48 (two weeks ago) Permalink

https://open.spotify.com/track/1LL1dvOe6Y0Pd5pRgKGJKq?si=Fs7FpQNcTga7G_bj3_bbzw

“Beautiful Jam” from ‘71 on the So Many Roads comp

calstars, Sunday, 2 June 2019 02:54 (one week ago) Permalink

^^^ all-time great

tobo73, Sunday, 2 June 2019 02:59 (one week ago) Permalink

“Durpee’s Diamond Blues”

☮ (peace, man), Sunday, 2 June 2019 11:37 (one week ago) Permalink

Also enjoying Watkins glen rehearsal from that same album, which goes from spacey to hippie funk until jerry introduces a major key

calstars, Sunday, 2 June 2019 11:48 (one week ago) Permalink

yesterday i went through and listened to all of the top-rated performances of the first album songs on headyversion. well, i didn't actually get through pigpen doing "good morning little schoolgirl" for 16 fucking minutes, the album version was excruciating enough, but i did run across this ten minute jam on "cream puff war" from '66 that i liked a lot, actually. i have a hard time thinking of the dead as a genuinely "psychedelic" band, at least not in a way i'm into, but this sounded like it in a way jerry's playing usually doesn't for me.

Flood-Resistant Mirror-Drilling Machine (rushomancy), Sunday, 2 June 2019 12:01 (one week ago) Permalink


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