The Sundays : C or D

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I think I love you.

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Tuesday, 30 March 2004 15:56 (twenty years ago) link

Both of us?

Ally C (Ally C), Tuesday, 30 March 2004 16:24 (twenty years ago) link

I've enjoyed "Blind" a lot more over the years. Especially the Wild Horses cover. Very underrated album. Plus, it has my favorite Morrissey lyric not written by Morrissey:

"This is my life and it's all very well, but never never ever again...."

kickitcricket, Tuesday, 30 March 2004 18:38 (twenty years ago) link

That's what I get for not signing my posts (all my posts from now on, on every thread) Chaka Khan.

reading, writing and arithmetic does seem out on its own - sonically, lyrically - and Blind has a closer relation in Static and Silence I think. rwa is such a chilly, bare-floored record for all its talk of woollen things.

I recall the mixed reception Blind received on its release from the UK inkies. MM, which seemed to have thrown its lot in with the resurgent US rock scene and Brit rave culture with a little more gusto than indie centrale NME, embraced Blind as a wilful anomaly, a wistful gem - there was ET's glowing LP review, Mueller gushing over "Medicine" on the radio and a Quebecois live review in strips of purple. Lamacq gave the album a desultory three, maybe four out of ten in the NME, sad that the band he'd championed had somehow lost the power to jangle.

I saw them that December in Wolverhampton. Winter recast in the Wulfrun Hall, icicles on the lighting rig.

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Wednesday, 31 March 2004 08:32 (twenty years ago) link

She had very nice hair IIRC.

Dr. C (Dr. C), Wednesday, 31 March 2004 08:51 (twenty years ago) link

I find the continuing support for Harriet's hair, and the Sundays generally, I find somewhat bemusing.

"This is my life and it's all very well, but never never ever again...."

This is a bad line that illustrates their weakness. It's nothing like Morrissey, or not like good Morrissey anyway.

N. (nickdastoor), Wednesday, 31 March 2004 09:12 (twenty years ago) link

they did a bbc sesh which i only found out about recently, as the version of 'my finest hour' was on bbc6. had different words and everything. it was probably done before the album for like kid jensen or whoever.

piscesboy, Wednesday, 31 March 2004 09:43 (twenty years ago) link

Mark Goodier, prob. (Kid Jensen long gone).

N. (nickdastoor), Wednesday, 31 March 2004 09:51 (twenty years ago) link

Harriet Wheeler once sang happy birthday to me during a radio interview I did many years ago. I will take that with me. Don't know where, but it's coming along for the ride.

Rob Bolton (Rob Bolton), Wednesday, 31 March 2004 10:20 (twenty years ago) link

Weren't they the cover stars on the first NME of the 1990s, the issue after the Roses on Top of The World Christmas double edition? Fuck, that brings me back. Everything seemed so much more precious back then. The days when indie meant more than life or death! "Can't Be Sure" was one of the big buzz singles throughout 1989 in the inklies but I remember alright the mixed reception the album then got. It did sound a little flat however aside from the 2 or 3 classics.

David Gunnip (David Gunnip), Wednesday, 31 March 2004 13:02 (twenty years ago) link

They had a little cake.

N. (nickdastoor), Wednesday, 31 March 2004 13:23 (twenty years ago) link

I think RWA is just about perfect from top to bottom. I don't really listen to the other two that much.

I've been on vacation. Can someone please clue me in on what IIRC means?

rainman (rainman), Wednesday, 31 March 2004 13:29 (twenty years ago) link

Classic.

Tico Tico (Tico Tico), Wednesday, 31 March 2004 13:37 (twenty years ago) link

Sorry that's misleading. I think the Sundays are Classic.

IIRC means "if I remember correctly".

Tico Tico (Tico Tico), Wednesday, 31 March 2004 13:38 (twenty years ago) link

Harriet Wheeler once kissed me

how did we let this go by without more explanation?????

anthony kyle monday (akmonday), Wednesday, 31 March 2004 15:05 (twenty years ago) link

Weren't they the cover stars on the first NME of the 1990s?
Melody Maker.
and maybe NME as well, but MM yes.

zebedee (zebedee), Wednesday, 31 March 2004 15:11 (twenty years ago) link

NME yes.

N. (nickdastoor), Wednesday, 31 March 2004 15:12 (twenty years ago) link

N.'s facts are customarily correct. Yet it's a fact that in MM the Sundays LED THE CHARGE INTO TOMORROW'S WHIRL. Do you people remember nothing?

I tried to post to this thread yesterday and things went wrong. So now, again, I will say, perhaps dully:

Careminted phrases pay the rent, and Jones delivers.

That sentence was far better the first time I sent it.

I *think* it was 'careminted'. If you have any better ideas, post them... below.

the bellefox, Thursday, 1 April 2004 17:16 (twenty years ago) link

two months pass...
I ended up digging out "Reading, Writing..." yesterday, because it was driving me crazy trying to figure out exactly what GURL the bloke from Delays sounds like. And Harriet Wheeler would be the answer to that question.

What a beautiful, poignant, delicious album. It has so many elements that have irritated me senseless in other bands (Cranberries, "Torn", Sixpence) but somehow it's all just charming and perfect and bicycles and cardigans and a dress, dress, dress that I've been sick on.

People love Gravity and Evolution! (kate), Wednesday, 23 June 2004 08:28 (nineteen years ago) link

it's psychedelic!

pete b. (pete b.), Wednesday, 23 June 2004 08:43 (nineteen years ago) link

But it isn't psychedelic. The Smiths are perhaps more psychedelic cause at least they had that tremolo. It's all about the jangle, that the jangle occasionally dares to be dissonant instead of just mindlessly pleasant.

People love Gravity and Evolution! (kate), Wednesday, 23 June 2004 08:47 (nineteen years ago) link

i'm mostly joking. it's just that i was quite surprised when i first heard the album (not long ago) because i was expecting, like you say, a pleasant jangle, and a sort of dull monochrome sonic palette. the dissonance (in the vocals as well as guitars?) was quite jarring, and i think it's this jarring sound that makes the record sound very vivid, very colourful to me. i remember on another thread someone comparing the sundays to boards of canada and i think there is a kind of homespun, dancing-in-the-meadows, very british trippiness to both of them.

pete b. (pete b.), Wednesday, 23 June 2004 09:03 (nineteen years ago) link

Boards of Canada + The Sundays = ?

charltonlido (gareth), Wednesday, 23 June 2004 09:15 (nineteen years ago) link

'dress, dress, dress that I've been sick on' - 'sitting on', surely?

bham, Wednesday, 23 June 2004 11:15 (nineteen years ago) link

No! Don't ruin the song for me. I've always believe that it was "sick on". Please don't tell me it's not, it will destroy it for me!

People love Gravity and Evolution! (kate), Wednesday, 23 June 2004 11:17 (nineteen years ago) link

FWIW I've also always heard it as "sick on"!

Hanna (Hanna), Wednesday, 23 June 2004 11:20 (nineteen years ago) link

That's the beauty of the Sundays, that line sums it all up for me. The juxtaposition of "In a cardigan..." (twee as fuck) "...and I dress that I've been sick on" (throwing up from booze or worse, not very twee at all) and still you love her for it.

People love Gravity and Evolution! (kate), Wednesday, 23 June 2004 11:23 (nineteen years ago) link

the Bic Runga track that radcliffe keeps playing reminds me, somehow, of the Sundays.

koogs (koogs), Wednesday, 23 June 2004 11:23 (nineteen years ago) link

http://www.lyricsfreak.com/s/sundays/133613.html says 'Sick On'

koogs (koogs), Wednesday, 23 June 2004 11:26 (nineteen years ago) link

Phew!

People love Gravity and Evolution! (kate), Wednesday, 23 June 2004 11:27 (nineteen years ago) link

This lyrics page says "sick on", phew!
http://www.huan.com/sundays/sound/reading/

I also love the lyrics for "I kicked a boy", kind of the same violent un-twee-ness, sung in Wheeler's wonderfully girlish voice that has some sort of hidden madness to it deep down somewhere.

Oh x-post! :-)

Hanna (Hanna), Wednesday, 23 June 2004 11:30 (nineteen years ago) link

Harriet is one of my favourite lyricists ever.

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Wednesday, 23 June 2004 12:18 (nineteen years ago) link

Doesn't David write the words?

Jerry the Nipper (Jerrynipper), Wednesday, 23 June 2004 12:23 (nineteen years ago) link

Argh no please don't say that this is one of my few "they really mean it" illusions!

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Wednesday, 23 June 2004 12:24 (nineteen years ago) link

"Words and music by Gauvin/Wheeler" - doesn't actually say who does what.

I assume that Gauvin has never worn a dress, so it's probably safe to assume that particular lyric is Wheeler's. ;-)

People love Gravity and Evolution! (kate), Wednesday, 23 June 2004 12:25 (nineteen years ago) link

When I met them back in 92 or 93, I had a query about a particular lyric from the first album and it was certainly David who had written it.

Jerry the Nipper (Jerrynipper), Wednesday, 23 June 2004 12:27 (nineteen years ago) link

(btw that lyric referring to a dress also says "I'm a better man than others by far")

Jerry the Nipper (Jerrynipper), Wednesday, 23 June 2004 12:28 (nineteen years ago) link

I always thought that was a cute gender bending moment/feminist statement.

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Wednesday, 23 June 2004 12:33 (nineteen years ago) link

It took me a while before I realized that she was singing "hideous towns make me throw up" (in keeping with the "sick on" vein).

I heard "Here's Where the Story Ends" in a grocery store the other day, making my sandwich-purchasing experience just perfect.

Ernest P. (ernestp), Wednesday, 23 June 2004 12:46 (nineteen years ago) link

*reads upthread and is startled* What the -- I never contributed? Not even at the start? I must be sick.

A particular thought of mine. And they were fantastic live the one time I saw them.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 23 June 2004 13:00 (nineteen years ago) link

But *does* Delays' vocalist really sound like HW? I'm not sure he does, though I like their LP a lot.

the bellefox, Wednesday, 23 June 2004 14:45 (nineteen years ago) link

I don't think he does either. I certainly did think he was in fact a female singer when I first heard them, but Ms. Wheeler didn't spring to mind.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 23 June 2004 15:28 (nineteen years ago) link

"On" and "Joy" - play them side by side!

People love Gravity and Evolution! (kate), Wednesday, 23 June 2004 15:38 (nineteen years ago) link

one month passes...
Can I partially retract my comment on S+S of 2 years ago (!) upthread? I was listening to it again on my good stereo last night - with the volume set very low, but with the 'SBS' bass booster on the CD player accidentally switched on - and it sounded awesome. There's so much going on in the arrangements that I hadn't even noticed before.

Jeff W (zebedee), Wednesday, 11 August 2004 15:04 (nineteen years ago) link

Static and Silence is indeed underrated. i actually think Blind is my favorite.

ryan (ryan), Wednesday, 11 August 2004 15:36 (nineteen years ago) link

Every time I played Blind I liked it a little more, despite it's obvious inferiority to the first album. I'm more likely to pull out Blind, now. Didn't even try Static & Silence. Probably should have.

Bimble (bimble), Wednesday, 11 August 2004 16:13 (nineteen years ago) link

Yep, 'Blind' takes a very long time, but there are good songs on it, if a little less immediate.

Definitely try S+S, it's gorgeous, and quite subtle.

derrick (derrick), Wednesday, 11 August 2004 16:23 (nineteen years ago) link

AlexinNYC: Honestly speaking, I thought the Sundays were alright, but....they're also to blame for the truly wretched Cranberries.
Nicole: I think only Satan is to blame for the Cranberries. Surely that can be the only explanation for their existence.
I thought the first Cranberries record actually had potential. Then some nimrod compared Delores O'Riordan to Sinéad O'Connor, and Delores began imitating (badly) all the weird, erratic qualities of O'Connor without imitating any of her charms. The end result: a potentially good band turned into a bad indie rock band front by a squeaky headcase who sings like shes got the hiccups.
Zom-bih! Z'o'o'o'o'm-bih! Z'o'o'o'o'm-bih!
Argh.

Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Wednesday, 11 August 2004 16:36 (nineteen years ago) link

I actually was present at the first Cranberries gig (they were opening for Moose). They were obviously nervous as hell, but I liked them enough to buy their record. They were an okay, harmless, pretty inoffensive band for a little while there and then something horrible happened. Now if I'm in the grocery store and hear "have to let it linger..." aargh! blech!

Bimble (bimble), Wednesday, 11 August 2004 16:58 (nineteen years ago) link

Bah. The first Cranberries record maybe had a couple good songs (though I personally think "Dreams" was the only decent thing on it), but the underlying Delores-sings-like-a-freak stuff was already there.

It was around the time she foolishly decided she could also play the guitar that I decided I wanted to see someone kick her teeth down her throat.

martin m. (mushrush), Wednesday, 11 August 2004 17:02 (nineteen years ago) link

Wild Hoses.

OK .....

Mark G, Tuesday, 6 March 2018 06:52 (six years ago) link

The rock stars who went back work thread makes me wonder about this lot & how they fund their child rearing. Even though it's none of my business.

lana del boy (ledge), Tuesday, 6 March 2018 09:17 (six years ago) link

p sure Harriet went into service with the civil service

how to diss a peer completely (unregistered), Tuesday, 6 March 2018 11:47 (six years ago) link

Finding a pound doesn't count for much these days.

lana del boy (ledge), Tuesday, 6 March 2018 12:34 (six years ago) link

The Sundays are my go to for smiths-like music when i'm in a smiths-like mood but really don't want to hear morrissey (which as of the last year or so is all of the time, forever)

jamiesummerz, Tuesday, 6 March 2018 12:51 (six years ago) link

one year passes...

Leave us alone.
https://longreads.com/2019/07/30/searching-for-the-sundays/

Jazzbo, Wednesday, 31 July 2019 17:27 (four years ago) link

^ That's rather good. Can't say I've ever yearned to meet any musician. But can understand how something like RW&A could inspire such a thing.

Nag! Nag! Nag!, Thursday, 1 August 2019 02:59 (four years ago) link

Gawd this article is the embodiment of “tl;dr”... I can’t even skim it effectively.

the last Berry La Croix in the work fridge (morrisp), Thursday, 1 August 2019 03:36 (four years ago) link

tl;dr for ya: big obsessive buildup and then he didn't meet them.

StanM, Thursday, 1 August 2019 04:58 (four years ago) link

It's the story of an adult learning about boundaries (ie, figuring out, thankfully in time, that showing up unannounced on your heroes' doorstep when they clearly value their privacy and have explicitly said as much to you through a proxy is an unambiguously bad idea).

Apprentice Taintjazzler (Old Lunch), Thursday, 1 August 2019 05:06 (four years ago) link

Seemed like a string of clichés and truisms threaded around a fairly creepy premise - "they've demonstrated they have no interest in publicity or interviews, but if they only met me they'd change their minds, and I won't take no for an answer! Oh I guess they have a right to privacy after all, we've all learned something and let me explain it to you." Yeesh.

an incoherent crustacean (MatthewK), Thursday, 1 August 2019 05:20 (four years ago) link

And yet, people moaning because he didn't 'deliver'

Mark G, Thursday, 1 August 2019 07:01 (four years ago) link

wow this guy is the absolute worst

boxedjoy, Thursday, 1 August 2019 07:24 (four years ago) link

this isn't even about the band, this is an awful guy's attempt to make himself the centre of a story that nobody else wanted to be told

boxedjoy, Thursday, 1 August 2019 07:25 (four years ago) link

I mean, would I have been thrilled if they consented to an interview? Absolutely. If it turned out that their 'consent' was the result of someone jimmying the lock on their back door at 3 AM and sitting at the foot of their bed until they finally relented? Not so much. Not so much.

Apprentice Taintjazzler (Old Lunch), Thursday, 1 August 2019 10:27 (four years ago) link

wow this guy is the absolute worst

hey, he’s no Abraham Reisman

quelle sprocket damage (sic), Thursday, 1 August 2019 11:16 (four years ago) link

two years pass...

Well, something I did not expect

BIG MUSIC NEWS: I have a new band with Patrick Hannan of The SUNDAYS! An absolute dream come true. We are called The Wild Fell. More music (and shows) soon, but for now stream (or download) our first song "The Ghost You Love" now!
https://t.co/v52c76tsoI

— David Obuchowski, Peugeot Haver & Vax Getter (@DavidOfromNJ) June 20, 2022

Ned Raggett, Monday, 20 June 2022 17:44 (one year ago) link


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