Also about his Human Nature cover, yeah that live video isn't that great, but the version on Live Around the World where he trades with/feeds phrases to Kenny Garrett is just fabulous.
― Jordan (Jordan), Monday, 16 December 2002 00:15 (twenty-one years ago) link
I notice nobody stuck in a word about "In Concert: Live At Philharmonic Hall," a double-disc live set released right after "On The Corner" (which is my favorite Miles album, BTW). I think "In Concert" is a great, and very underrated, disc.
― Phil Freeman, Monday, 16 December 2002 18:52 (twenty-one years ago) link
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― shookout (shookout), Tuesday, 31 August 2004 15:25 (nineteen years ago) link
Lately I feel like 70s Miles records have everything I'm looking for in music.
― Hurting (Hurting), Sunday, 21 August 2005 13:27 (eighteen years ago) link
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― Hurting (Hurting), Sunday, 21 August 2005 15:15 (eighteen years ago) link
I got the <I>Complete On The Corner Sessions</I> boxed set in today's mail. Six discs, at least three hours (I haven't added it all up yet) of previously unreleased studio jams from '72-74.
― unperson, Friday, 3 August 2007 19:53 (sixteen years ago) link
I saw the Sep release date at amazon!
― Dominique, Friday, 3 August 2007 20:02 (sixteen years ago) link
It's amazing shit. I'm listening to "Jabali," an 11-minute previously unreleased track, right now. It has the same kind of slow, repeating bassline as "Ife," but with more crescendos from the drums.
― unperson, Friday, 3 August 2007 20:06 (sixteen years ago) link
dear unperson, I stalk now
― Dominique, Friday, 3 August 2007 20:09 (sixteen years ago) link
I know little about the eighties stuff except for the covers of Top 40 songs. Which is the best?
― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Friday, 3 August 2007 20:30 (sixteen years ago) link
Tutu and We Want Miles are my favorites. Tutu is icy, inhuman cyber-funk; We Want Miles is small-group funk-metal (one guitar, bass, drums, sax, and Miles all spidery and muted).
― unperson, Friday, 3 August 2007 21:16 (sixteen years ago) link
Thanks unperson. I'm kind of tired saying, "Oh, Miles in the '80s? ... Well, 'Time After Time' is pretty cool."
― Jamesy, Friday, 3 August 2007 21:57 (sixteen years ago) link
Complete On The Corner Sessions
hi dere i really need three hours of one vamp
― sanskrit, Friday, 3 August 2007 22:20 (sixteen years ago) link
!!!!!!!!
/hoos is mad amped
xpost YES YOU DO
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Friday, 3 August 2007 22:27 (sixteen years ago) link
I started listening to the OTC box on the train ride home. The new stuff that I heard is slower than, say, Agharta or Dark Magus, and more about the groove than the rawk (not enough skin-peeling Pete Cosey guitar solos for my taste, at least not yet), but man, it's fuckin' killer. Boxed set of my year, no question.
― unperson, Friday, 3 August 2007 23:07 (sixteen years ago) link
OK, Aura is quite good. The last three minutes of "Violet" are chilling.
― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Wednesday, 26 March 2008 01:47 (sixteen years ago) link
Does In A Silent Way count (I think it's a 1969 release)? It's gorgeous and vibrant, and one of my favorite albums ever.
― Daniel, Esq., Wednesday, 26 March 2008 02:01 (sixteen years ago) link
"calypso frelimo" may be the greatest song ever
― kamerad, Wednesday, 8 April 2009 22:58 (fifteen years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bxSFSdcGPLM
― scott seward, Thursday, 9 December 2010 13:58 (thirteen years ago) link
I have devoured everything I can get my hands on by Miles Davis, but I have yet to breach the 1980s. I suppose I'm going to have to turn there sooner or later.
― one pretty obvious guy in the obvious (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 9 December 2010 14:12 (thirteen years ago) link
I'm fond of Aura.
― Gus Van Sotosyn (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 9 December 2010 14:51 (thirteen years ago) link
'Live Around the World' is a perfect summation of the 80s stuff, great tunes, performances and sound (and no crappy Marcus Miller drum programming).
― Jordan (Jordan), Saturday, December 14, 2002 1:09 PM (7 years ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
i still rep for this
― bows don't kill people, arrows do (Jordan), Thursday, 9 December 2010 15:05 (thirteen years ago) link
(7 years ago!)
kinda crazy to watch al foster playing heavy rock like that. i wonder if he liked it.
― bows don't kill people, arrows do (Jordan), Thursday, 9 December 2010 15:43 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah, i'd say that live around the world is my fave 80s miles, tho i haven't heard it all by any means. what i have heard is better than i expected, but i think i wasn't expecting much.
― tylerw, Thursday, 9 December 2010 16:04 (thirteen years ago) link
wow looks like a TON of live 70s Miles stuff went up on youtube in the past year.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qGal87rfH_4&feature=related
Pete Cosey!
― "Information by surprise" is even legal in Sweden (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 9 December 2010 16:22 (thirteen years ago) link
Just watched an old Ch4 documentary on Miles. Its really sad to witness the tour de force Miles from the 50's to the mid 70's turn into the 80's 90's Miles. You can see that it hurts him as well. I got into Miles backwards via Bitches Brew and On The Corner but now I really prefer his 2nd Quintet period + Kind Of Blue + In A Silent way. Cant bring myself to listen to his 80's stuff.
― Damo Suzuki's Parrot, Thursday, 28 June 2012 23:55 (eleven years ago) link
Me neither. I've devoured and obsessed over pretty much every era of Miles (maybe save for his 40s material when he was a good, but not yet great, trumpeter), but the 80s stuff I've heard makes me angry. Not so much at Miles -- after 40 years, why not a payday? -- but at whoever the fuck thought those production styles and those instantly dated digital-synth-based arrangements were a good idea.
― Tarfumes The Escape Goat, Friday, 29 June 2012 00:21 (eleven years ago) link
As someone who has everything Miles did up until 75 and as someone who finds that the 74/75 band's recordings only get better as time passes, I too wrote off his 80's stuff for years. Last summer, I made a concerted effort to sit down with 80's Miles and really listen, because I had never given any of that stuff a chance previously. For the most part, I found that if you can remove the fact that you're listening to a Miles Davis album, most of them aren't too bad. Fairly listenable stuff. A lot of it has dated pretty poorly because of production techniques of the day (there are sequencers on almost every single album he did in the 80's — something that has no place in jazz, if you ask me), so again, I had to just not get upset and accept it on its own terms to get anything out of it.
The albums from the 80's that I found to be the best of the era are Star People and Amandla. Amandla, in particular, is a great example of something that's dated horribly, but the performances overcome it pretty easily. When you just focus on Miles, you'll some of his best soloing since the 70's. Just need to adjust to the musical backdrops. 'Mr. Pastorious' is worth it on its own.
But, in the end, if you're only going to get one 80's Miles album, get Aura. It's excellent. And not in a recontextualized "excellent" way either. It's genuinely good and holds up with anything else in his catalogue. Really love that album.
To anyone really interested in the 70's and 80's era Miles, I highly recommend Paul Tingen's book on the subject.
― Austin, Friday, 29 June 2012 01:51 (eleven years ago) link
I really dig this Miles quote, talking about about his awesome 70's period.
“I remember one time - it might have been a couple times - at the Fillmore East in 1970, I was opening for this sorry-ass cat named Steve Miller. Steve Miller didn't have his shit going for him, so I'm pissed because I got to open for this non-playing motherfucker just because he had one or two sorry-ass records out. So I would come late and he would have to go on first and then we got there we smoked the motherfucking place, everybody dug it.”
― Damo Suzuki's Parrot, Sunday, 1 July 2012 14:22 (eleven years ago) link
as weird as the pairing might seem today, i don't know if it was that far off -- i think steve miller band was kinda thought of as jazz rock and they almost signed to Impulse!
― tylerw, Sunday, 1 July 2012 14:43 (eleven years ago) link
Hey Tyler could you recommend a good Miles documentary? I have seen the Channel 4 one and its not bad but there must be a better one out there.
― Damo Suzuki's Parrot, Sunday, 1 July 2012 14:50 (eleven years ago) link
we want miles is like the funkiest miles record, doesn't sound dated at all, wtf are you people on about
― Whiney vs. (BradNelson), Sunday, 1 July 2012 16:01 (eleven years ago) link
xp you know i've only seen that Miles Davis Story doc. Which is ok, but not amazing. Seems like he deserves a really in-depth, multi-part series, doesn't it?
― tylerw, Monday, 2 July 2012 15:24 (eleven years ago) link
The Miles Electric DVD is the closest I've seen to a definitive Miles bio, and it only covers a few years (as if you couldn't have guessed from the title). Some interesting interviews with Hancock, Joni Mitchell, Mtume, and, you should pardon the expression, Stanley Crouch. Also includes his full 1970 Isle of Wight set which is as reliably inspired as any of his shows from that period.
― Chuck? Chuck? It's me, your cousin, Marvin D (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Monday, 2 July 2012 16:17 (eleven years ago) link
Yeah, have seen that. Carlos Santana rhapsodizing over jazz doods is always entertaining.
― click here if you want to load them all (Hurting 2), Monday, 2 July 2012 16:19 (eleven years ago) link
yeah that one is good. love the bit where herbie does a little electric piano "impression" of miles.
― tylerw, Monday, 2 July 2012 16:20 (eleven years ago) link
i've said it many times, but Live Around the World is a fantastic gateway to the '80s stuff. much looser and less dated-sounding than the studio records, great bands.
― 40oz of tears (Jordan), Monday, 2 July 2012 16:43 (eleven years ago) link
I've heard a number of people say that about LAtW...I'll definitely check it out. Wasn't Al Foster still in the band for part of that?
― Chuck? Chuck? It's me, your cousin, Marvin D (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Monday, 2 July 2012 17:10 (eleven years ago) link
it's almost all ricky wellman (who is great), but maybe al foster is on a track or two?
― 40oz of tears (Jordan), Monday, 2 July 2012 17:23 (eleven years ago) link
love the bit where herbie does a little electric piano "impression" of miles.
^^^best moment of the doc. love Herbie so much.
― a dense custard of infinity (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 2 July 2012 17:25 (eleven years ago) link
feel like i never really listened properly to "Go Ahead John" before. what the fuck is he doing to that guitar? is it phasing? this is properly heavy shit.
― Mancunian stagger (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 23 July 2013 16:17 (ten years ago) link
Nice work quoting Lucia Berlin.
― Ride On Proserpina (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 21 September 2022 16:49 (one year ago) link
Sorry, Cosey interview:https://www.thelastmiles.com/interviews-pete-cosey🕸/
― Naive Teen Idol, Saturday, 24 September 2022 13:29 (one year ago) link
In a previous interview, Cosey mentioned. by the by, that he used to have a recorder going onstage with Miles, kept the results in a box under his bed, sometimes kicked back and listened. Maybe some of those have gotten around, to the xpost Heat Warps blog, for inst?
― dow, Saturday, 24 September 2022 19:11 (one year ago) link
There are absolutely some recordings on The Heat Warps — from the South American tour of 1973-74 IIRC — that were recorded by someone onstage; Dave Liebman, I think. They sound amazing. There's one where you can actually hear Miles' wah-wah pedal creaking when he steps on it.
― but also fuck you (unperson), Saturday, 24 September 2022 20:44 (one year ago) link
I will play the Agharta version of "Maiysha" all morning.
― Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 28 December 2022 15:21 (one year ago) link
Hell yeah. I like how that version goes back and forth between the lounge and funk sections where the studio version is just part A -> part B
― J. Sam, Wednesday, 28 December 2022 15:42 (one year ago) link
The electric piano going through the wah wah pedal on Miles at the Fillmore often makes sounds that remind me of PAC Man when he is chomping up dots. It is kinda uncanny.
― The Artist formerly known as Earlnash, Wednesday, 28 June 2023 15:56 (nine months ago) link
Listening to 'Double Image: Rare Miles from the Complete Bitches Brew Sessions' after it came up on someone's 50 album list and it's fantastic. Tbh I'm enjoying this more than Bitches Brew, it's more focused and spacious (and Billy Cobham rips).
― Random Restaurateur (Jordan), Wednesday, 23 August 2023 16:15 (seven months ago) link
yeah that’s a really great collection, I am all about random configurations of fusion miles
― brimstead, Wednesday, 23 August 2023 16:31 (seven months ago) link
gonna put that on right now!
― out-of-print LaserDisc edition (sleeve), Wednesday, 23 August 2023 16:39 (seven months ago) link
I also much prefer it to Bitches Brew itself
― honey badger drinks when he wants (stevie), Wednesday, 23 August 2023 16:42 (seven months ago) link
Four tracks from this were bonuses on the CD release of Big Fun, and they're probably as good as the original LP.
― Halfway there but for you, Thursday, 24 August 2023 19:41 (seven months ago) link
I disagree with all of this. Most of these tunes feature the band wandering around trying to catch a spark. Which is fine because, well, they’re the best musicians in the world, but none of the tracks is better than what was officially released around this time. Also, Yaphet sounds pretty clearly like a run at Great Expectations. Chatter of Miles getting pissy with Teo in the studio tho is A+. I’m still a little sad we never got an actual Complete Bitches Brew Sessions box with dry runs and whatnot. No I don’t listen to my Jack Johnson or IASW boxes all that frequently but the process of these sessions is def. almost as interesting as the results. And now Belden is dead. Oh well.
― Naive Teen Idol, Tuesday, 29 August 2023 17:26 (seven months ago) link
does that material exist for Bitches Brew? if so, why did it not get included in the complete sessions box?
― Muad'Doob (Moodles), Tuesday, 29 August 2023 17:30 (seven months ago) link
My favorite of these compilations is Champions, which is all the tracks named after boxers from the Complete Jack Johnson Sessions box (except for "Archie Moore," for some reason). Put together, they're a seriously nasty electric blues album:
https://tidal.com/browse/album/233171325
― read-only (unperson), Tuesday, 29 August 2023 18:47 (seven months ago) link
This year's "Turnaround" had 4 tracks from the "Complete On The Corner Sessions" box. I had already cherry picked that stuff and came up with an excellent companion disc:One And One (Unedited Master) - a completely different track!Jabali (on "Turnaround")The Hen (on "Turnaround")PeaceMr. FosterHip-SkipWhat They Do
― Gerald McBoing-Boing, Tuesday, 29 August 2023 23:23 (seven months ago) link
does that material exist for Bitches Brew?
I'm pretty sure I read that it no longer exists.
― Halfway there but for you, Wednesday, 30 August 2023 17:06 (seven months ago) link