riddle me this, o tolkien nerds: the fractal dimensionality of fangorn

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The mind boggles at the thought of such. BOGGLES

johnny z (johnny z), Saturday, 25 September 2004 14:52 (nineteen years ago) link

The Entfox

Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 25 September 2004 14:54 (nineteen years ago) link

If Treebeard was The Pinefox, who was Jerry The Nipper?

Ricardo (RickyT), Saturday, 25 September 2004 17:30 (nineteen years ago) link

radagast the brown

mark s (mark s), Saturday, 25 September 2004 17:31 (nineteen years ago) link

You mean he breathlessly rides around looking wizards while talking to birds?

Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 25 September 2004 17:31 (nineteen years ago) link

Looking FOR wizards, I should say.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 25 September 2004 17:32 (nineteen years ago) link

it works on so many levels!

mark s (mark s), Saturday, 25 September 2004 17:32 (nineteen years ago) link

Hm, it does, doesn't it!

Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 25 September 2004 17:34 (nineteen years ago) link

OK, if Fangorn is 50*70 and kinda roughly rectangular, that gives us a diagonal of about 85 miles. Which is about 135 km. So it's not entirely ridiculous that Fangorn could have walked 70,000 two metre strides.

Ricardo (RickyT), Saturday, 25 September 2004 17:34 (nineteen years ago) link

i think markH's point is actually pretty good, esp.if we assume fangorn to be genuine full-on virgin forest (which tolk's painting ain't obv but i doubt he'd ever seen any since there hasn't been any the the uk since abt the 12th century): that wd require lots of non as-crow-flies sidestepping

so it does work kinda sorta borderline just about, if you allow sidesteppage of i dunno, two strides for every one diagonal - think of the other two sides of an equilateral triangle

(is that a fractal dimensionality of 1.5? i forget how to calculate it)

(i think if TB had walked the *entire* SE->NW diagonal, tolk wd have said: it's surely not a day's journey - judged by onset of hobbithunger - and plus a little later, aragorn, gimli and legolam get major props from the rohirrim for running 135 miles in three days)

mark s (mark s), Saturday, 25 September 2004 17:45 (nineteen years ago) link

i doubt he'd ever seen any

He did a number of European hiking trips when younger, in Switzerland in particular, possibly he saw something more like it then? Admittedly just as settled and gone over I'm sure but the ruggedness of the land would probably allow for wilder conditions.

legolam

I trust this was intentional. ;-)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 25 September 2004 17:54 (nineteen years ago) link

eleven years pass...

tolkien never uses the subjunctive EVER! each time he writes "was" instead of "were" it goes clangggggg in my mind.

i think dwarves use the subjunctive. be he himself doesn't.

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 5 May 2016 22:57 (seven years ago) link

be = but

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 5 May 2016 22:57 (seven years ago) link

six years pass...

time for more cats* among other pigeons folks**

https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1111/sjp.12477 : The Wretched of Middle-Earth: An Orcish Manifesto (Charles W. Mills)

*queen beruthiel's cats obv
**does the team have opinions?

mark s, Wednesday, 21 September 2022 11:09 (one year ago) link

also note my proof upthread that treebeard is based on the pinefox :D

mark s, Wednesday, 21 September 2022 11:32 (one year ago) link


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