"Ingmar Bergman's films utterly depressing" -- Ingmar Bergman

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bergman's a pretty famous homophobe, oddly enough.

that's disappointing.

s1ocki (slutsky), Monday, 10 July 2006 14:59 (thirteen years ago) link

So is Bergman as a human being.

Eric H. (Eric H.), Monday, 10 July 2006 16:44 (thirteen years ago) link

"Another great couple of examples of the strength of American cinema is American Beauty and Magnolia." - Interview with Jan Aghed in the Swedish daily newspaper Sydsvenska Dagbladet (May 2002)

J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Monday, 10 July 2006 18:33 (thirteen years ago) link

that's not so outlandish.

i don't know, bergman having occasionally questionable taste is something i don't care too much about, it's bergman recklessly insulting other filmmakers that seems a bit gauche. also anyone making common cause with john simon is pretty suspect.

Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Monday, 10 July 2006 18:41 (thirteen years ago) link

leaving aside his being a misogynist nazi for a moment, simon's balking at the supposed obscurantism of godard is sort of weird considering his idea of the apogee of cinema is...ingmar bergman's "persona."

Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Monday, 10 July 2006 18:44 (thirteen years ago) link

on orson welles:

"For me he's just a hoax. It's empty. It's not interesting. It's dead. Citizen Kane, which I have a copy of— is all the critics' darling, always at the top of every poll taken, but I think it's a total bore. Above all, the performances are worthless. The amount of respect that movie's got is absolutely unbelievable."

J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Monday, 10 July 2006 19:00 (thirteen years ago) link

the weird part of that quote is him specifying that he has a copy of it - imagine having a copy of citizen kane!!!

J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Monday, 10 July 2006 19:01 (thirteen years ago) link

what he doesn't say is that it's a VCD.

s1ocki (slutsky), Monday, 10 July 2006 19:06 (thirteen years ago) link

Woah! 'himself'?
I always thought Ingmar Bergman was one of those glamorous filmstar women.

mei (mei), Monday, 10 July 2006 19:21 (thirteen years ago) link

Woah! 'himself'?
I always thought Ingmar Bergman was one of those glamorous filmstar women.

He doesn't look very glamorous in that link.

mei (mei), Monday, 10 July 2006 19:21 (thirteen years ago) link

TS: Ingrid Bergman vs. Ingmar Bergman

horseshoe (horseshoe), Monday, 10 July 2006 19:30 (thirteen years ago) link

funny how she actually ended up in one of his films! i guess they were tired of folks making that joke...

Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Monday, 10 July 2006 21:19 (thirteen years ago) link

amateurist, did you get around to seeing any ingmar films? what d'you think?

J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Monday, 10 July 2006 23:06 (thirteen years ago) link

HE DIRECTS FILMS OF COURSE HE'S A BIG WEIRD ASSHOLE

trees (treesessplode), Monday, 10 July 2006 23:36 (thirteen years ago) link

though I love the religious trilogy.

trees (treesessplode), Monday, 10 July 2006 23:38 (thirteen years ago) link

one year passes...

RIP :-(

Hanna, Monday, 30 July 2007 08:45 (eleven years ago) link

8( have just watched 'Persona' and 'Sawdust And Tinsel' and 'Journey into Autumn' and those two documentaries about him on bbc4 in the last couple of weeks. Seventh Seal has just been re-released in cinemas here too, i must find out where it's on.

koogs, Monday, 30 July 2007 09:09 (eleven years ago) link

rip

hstencil, Monday, 30 July 2007 09:20 (eleven years ago) link

Damn. Damn. Damn.

MsLaura, Monday, 30 July 2007 09:26 (eleven years ago) link

was going to see transformers today but now feel kind of guilty.

Gukbe, Monday, 30 July 2007 09:39 (eleven years ago) link

actually, watching the film with an overwhelming feeling of guilt might be the most fitting tribute to bergman i can think of.

Gukbe, Monday, 30 July 2007 09:42 (eleven years ago) link

:-(

G00blar, Monday, 30 July 2007 10:15 (eleven years ago) link

Robots Is Pissguys

RJG, Monday, 30 July 2007 11:10 (eleven years ago) link

RIP, though, really, and I'll go and see transformers

RJG, Monday, 30 July 2007 11:10 (eleven years ago) link

Ingmar Bergman R.I.P.

Zeno, Monday, 30 July 2007 11:37 (eleven years ago) link

Gukbe OTM.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Monday, 30 July 2007 12:38 (eleven years ago) link

one year passes...

So, can somebody explain to me what made Persona a parable about the Vietnam conflict? I've heard this mentioned several times, and beyond the self-immolation fragment in the opening montage I don't understand the connection. Answers appreciated, this has been bothering me for some time and Film Four's Bergman season means its bothering me again.

I know, right?, Friday, 1 August 2008 11:51 (ten years ago) link

The parallel is made by zealous film professors.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Friday, 1 August 2008 13:09 (ten years ago) link

Yeah but based on what? It's always puzzled me, I can't even see it in a tenuous way

I know, right?, Saturday, 2 August 2008 01:05 (ten years ago) link

I'll keep this in mind if I stay up during Film Four's screening tomorrow night.

Doubt I'll stay with it...

xyzzzz__, Saturday, 2 August 2008 14:49 (ten years ago) link

No it's really gripping all the way through, esp once they get to the house, but Vietnam?

I know, right?, Saturday, 2 August 2008 16:09 (ten years ago) link

my Bergman prof didn't mention vietnam. Just a lot of stuff about the opening montage being a summation of the history of cinema and the rest the film discussed in terms of "psychological vampirism".

dan selzer, Saturday, 2 August 2008 16:13 (ten years ago) link

see now, that's what I got

I know, right?, Saturday, 2 August 2008 16:14 (ten years ago) link

seven months pass...

Finally watched Seventh Seal last night...sort of a duty-to-the-classic-canon thing rather than because I really wanted to watch it. But I was surprised how much I enjoyed it.

if you put sci3ntology thru a brita filter 4 times you get ILX (WmC), Sunday, 29 March 2009 15:37 (ten years ago) link

four months pass...

I saw it just now and it'sastoundingly brilliant. Fucking funny, sad, human, triumphant, frightening study of death and the unknowability of the divine. With a truly inspired ensemble cast, and that one scene with the eating of wild strawberries ("I will never forget this moment") which almost had me weeping for joy

cockles (country matters), Sunday, 16 August 2009 04:35 (nine years ago) link

so, was amateurist joking when he said he never saw a bergman film in 2004?

if he wasn't, i am really fucking stunned!

Persona has to be one of the 10 greatest, no doubt in my mind.

t0dd swiss, Sunday, 16 August 2009 04:54 (nine years ago) link

one month passes...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BXGFo2WI2aw

Zeno, Saturday, 10 October 2009 05:39 (nine years ago) link

Witless.

tie me up, dress in drag, and read to me from the bible (kenan), Saturday, 10 October 2009 06:01 (nine years ago) link

seven months pass...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=17fGOC0IC9I

anyone who mistakes bergman for being austere/cold/humourless should see this movie

<3 it

kinda reminds me of the muppet show

NUDE. MAYNE. (s1ocki), Monday, 17 May 2010 03:54 (nine years ago) link

Oh dear god no song gets stuck in my head like Papageno!

I had no idea he did a The Magic Flute.

it is... wonderful.

please to see it.

NUDE. MAYNE. (s1ocki), Tuesday, 18 May 2010 03:10 (nine years ago) link

it would be great to watch this on a big screen outdoors this summer, i feel

planes/octaves/dimensions of existence (rrrobyn), Tuesday, 18 May 2010 03:36 (nine years ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fpIUYzxlpjw

NUDE. MAYNE. (s1ocki), Tuesday, 18 May 2010 03:43 (nine years ago) link

also anyone making common cause with john simon is pretty suspect.

*hisses and boos*

Simon is terrific and his reviews were wickedly funny. Your point about Simon trashing the abstruse but digging "Persona" is kinda OTM though

Cunga, Tuesday, 18 May 2010 03:43 (nine years ago) link

kinda did a little tribute to magic flute here

NUDE. MAYNE. (s1ocki), Tuesday, 18 May 2010 16:09 (nine years ago) link

That's great!

frozen cookie (Abbott), Tuesday, 18 May 2010 16:25 (nine years ago) link

thk u!

NUDE. MAYNE. (s1ocki), Tuesday, 18 May 2010 16:27 (nine years ago) link

I have pushed this o the top of my Netflix queue btw. I am so stoked!

frozen cookie (Abbott), Tuesday, 18 May 2010 16:29 (nine years ago) link

one year passes...

:-(

xyzzzz__, Sunday, 14 April 2019 18:59 (three months ago) link

otherwise fine NY Times obit has a mistake in it:

In addition to winning four Guldbagge Awards, the Swedish equivalent of the Oscar, she was named best actress at the Cannes Film Festival in 1958 for “Nara Livet” (“Brink of Life”), sharing the award with three co-stars, and best actress at the Berlin Film Festival in 1963 for the title role in “Alskarinnan” (“The Mistress”). Paradoxically (and surprisingly, to many), neither was a Bergman film.

Brink of Life is a Bergman film, and a great one at that. Not sure of its availability outside the Criterion boxset.

flappy bird, Sunday, 14 April 2019 23:51 (three months ago) link

one month passes...

It's still second tier Bergman -- the script is worse than the direction -- but I've realized I've been wrong about Autumn Sonata because I've denied how closely it cuts to the bone. I know way too many mothers and daughters in this same cycle of rage and affection.

recriminations from the nitpicking woke (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 5 June 2019 01:55 (one month ago) link

I've started working my way again through Bergman chronologically, I've only gotten to Port of Call so far. Can't wait til I get to the later stuff

Dan S, Wednesday, 5 June 2019 01:59 (one month ago) link

I'm working my way through the big criterion collection box. Still only about a quarter of the way through. Trying to keep track of my Bergman power rankings as I proceed. There have been some nice surprises so far and a couple duds. A whole bunch of ones I've never seen before too.

Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Wednesday, 5 June 2019 02:58 (one month ago) link

I saw The Virgin Spring yesterday at sort of a sparsely attended screening. even knowing the movie going in I underestimated how unbelievably harrowing and intense it is on a big screen and with other people, who were all either dead silent or openly weeping.

flappy bird, Wednesday, 5 June 2019 04:03 (one month ago) link

that's the kind of screening I want to attend

Dan S, Wednesday, 5 June 2019 05:06 (one month ago) link

I just realized I've never seen any of his films on the big screen. Hopefully I'll be able to rectify that someday.

Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Wednesday, 5 June 2019 05:10 (one month ago) link

To me "showing cycles of rage and affection" is something that makes it 1st tier. Can't say I know what you mean on the direction, probably because I don't quite know how to evaluate that stuff.

xyzzzz__, Wednesday, 5 June 2019 06:42 (one month ago) link

The staging and framing are often A+; the writing too on-the-nose (probably one offscreen death too many).

recriminations from the nitpicking woke (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 5 June 2019 10:27 (one month ago) link

I reckon he takes quite a lot of risks with that script, hence maybe why you feel it's on-the-nose.

It does feel like Bergman is doing a session of psychoanalysis and ends up breaking people lol.

xyzzzz__, Wednesday, 5 June 2019 10:59 (one month ago) link

one month passes...

was Summer With Monika really the film that made US critics/audiences recognize that Sweden had a more sexually liberated culture? if so, that’s interesting

Dan S, Saturday, 6 July 2019 01:00 (one week ago) link

I loved Smiles of a Summer Night

Dan S, Saturday, 13 July 2019 23:31 (six days ago) link

That was a new one to me when I got the criterion set, and it's probably my favorite find, absolutely delightful.

Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Sunday, 14 July 2019 04:11 (five days ago) link

his best comedy - his only good comedy? the ones I've seen (Waiting Women and All These Women) are terrible

flappy bird, Sunday, 14 July 2019 05:16 (five days ago) link

Have never seen The Devils's Eye, is that a bad comedy too?

Zeuhl Idol (Matt #2), Sunday, 14 July 2019 08:51 (five days ago) link

I'd like to hear any review of The Devil's Eye, one of the very few classic period Bergmans I've not seen.

HIs birthday today - 101

Josefa, Sunday, 14 July 2019 14:22 (five days ago) link


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