MAD POLL, LOST YER WAY – ILM Artist Poll #16 – The Rolling Stones RESULTS THREAD

My #1! xpost

― Raymond Dubious Davies (C. Grisso/McCain),

Have completely lost track of what hasn't placed yet, minus the big obvious one. But there must be 3 big obvious ones. My brain is mush.

WENNER:
What started causing tensions in the group among Keith, you and him?

JAGGER:
[Brian] was a very jealous person and didn’t read the right books about leadership [laughs] And you can’t be jealous and be a leader. He was obsessed with the idea of being the leader of the band. You have to realize that everyone in a band is all more or less together, and everyone has their own niche, and some people lead in some ways, and some people lead in others. He never could understand that; he never got it, and he was kind of young. So he alienated people. And as I say, he was very narrow-minded in his view of music, and, really, Keith and I had been very catholic.

WENNER:
But did you take away the leadership of the band from him?

JAGGER:
He had never had the leadership of the band to take away; if you’re the singer in the band, you always get more attention than anyone else. Brian got very jealous when I got attention. And then the main jealousy was because Keith and I started writing songs, and he wasn’t involved in that. To be honest, Brian had no talent for writing songs. None. I’ve never known a guy with less talent for songwriting.

And there's no way I can beat anyone down for not loving Sway so much. As long as you're not stanning for Lady Jane at #1 lol, it's all good.

WENNER:
What did he have talent for?
JAGGER:
He was a guitar player, and he also diverted his talent on other instruments. His original instrument was the clarinet. So he played harmonica because he was familiar with wind instruments.
WENNER:
Did he give the band a sound?

JAGGER:
Yes. He played the slide guitar at a time when no one really played it. He played in the style of Elmore James, and he had this very lyrical touch. He evolved into more of an experimental musician, but he lost touch with the guitar, and always as a musician you must have one thing you do well. He dabbled too much.

WENNER:
Does he deserve the kind of mythological status that he has among hard-core Stones fanatics?

JAGGER:
Well, he was an integral part of the band, and he – for whatever it means – was a big part of it.

hmmm, that all sounds plausible--thanks Soto. xp Patty, just kiddin' ya! I know we've been through this upthread, just monkeyin' around

Kind of amazing that such a (deservedly) well-regarded Stones song doesn't even have Keith playing on it.

― Dancing with Mr. T (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Friday, April 6, 2012

it's weird, right? like, going by this evidence you'd have to be pretty stoked for a Mick Jagger solo release. and yet.

I remember getting Sticky Fingers near the end of my acquisition of Stones albums & thinking, great, here's the one with all the AOR songs that I don't really care about anymore, but everyone says it's a classic so I'll buy the cd used & give a whirl, & while I can't say I'm completely over that view nowadays, "Sway" was an unsuspected gem amongst the radio songs.

love the guitar outro a lot too

xxpost I know, Iago... I still have a lot of guilt, lol

No guessing!

xxpost hahah lol rogermexico

Mick's solo stuff is *way* underrated imo

If Keith had gotten done in by that coconut tree, would we see a Mick n Mick tour? "Winter, Sway, Moonlight Mile and other family faves"?

I'm gonna be really bummed when the full results get posted and I find out I was the only sap who voted for "Time Waits for No One".

And as I say, he was very narrow-minded in his view of music, and, really, Keith and I had been very catholic.

Totally contradicting something Keith once said

"Sway" has my favorite Jagger electric rhythm part.

are there any americans named mick?

you're bumming me out, Iago lol

i know, i'm being a huge jerk--gonna stop now. but i am getting sad this is almost over...

xp MICKy Dolenz

I have to leave now and I'm bummed that I'm going to miss the big reveal. But it's been a pleasure. You people are all Rolling Stones knowledge ninjas.

Many thanks to rogermexico for running this poll. There will always be a place for it in the Citadel of my heart.

*cue sitar*

His original instrument was the clarinet.

He played alto saxophone on the Beatles' "You Know My Name (Look Up The Number)." Sessions for it started in 1967, but it wasn't completed and released until after Brian died, in 1970.

have a good day, kornrulez!!

I found Keith's lack of inwardness or any kind of regret in Life sort of disturbing, actually...the one thing I didn't like about the (self) portrayal.

Keith is obviously a great artist and an immensely entertaining figure, but I can't imagine he's anything less than an utterly horrible human being. I have very little sympathy for junkie parenting.

[hands over ears] lalala

how are defining "inwardness"?

Bill Wyman -- the critic -- said as much in his revew/"Mick Jagger's response."

xp

Mick's solo stuff is *way* underrated imo

― Ismael Klata, Friday, April 6, 2012 1:26 PM

If I like "Don't Tear Me Up," and both of the honky-tonk numbers from Wandering Spirit, what other solo Mick should I revisit.

It's funny actually. Laying Wandering Spirit next to X-Pensive Winos really lays out what both of these guys do well and why they work so well together.

Well, if you trust Jann Wenner, he gave "Goddes In The Doorway" 5 stars. I suggest you don't ...

I'm not going to defend two vampires but from what I've read about Jagger and Richards their middle class backgrounds came out when bringing up their kids: they look as normal as any rich kids. I'm sure Keith's son Marlon had it worse but he had the daughters (beautiful women btw) when he was off the junk.

kornrulez, let me make it a little easier on you. I'll post number three, and you can probably figure out the rest.

That Slate piece really resonated, yet I'm not sure I'm in a position to know much.

It's brilliant anyway, but what is it, exactly? Why was it written like that?

Wandering Spirit is three fourths an excellent album. Toss in "Throwaway" from Primitive Cool, a couple of Laswellized numbers from She's the Boss and you've got a dandy CD-R.

3. Jumpin’ Jack Flash – 1023 points (41 votes, 5x #1)

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_K7pkn9BpUGY/TIJttAhkJ-I/AAAAAAAAAf0/rFNOVJZupXQ/s1600/11pare-2-650%5B1%5D.jpg
http://www.youtu.be/eUnPO9qmRuk

http://www.timeisonourside.com/SOJumpin.html

That Slate piece really resonated, yet I'm not sure I'm in a position to know much.

It's brilliant anyway, but what is it, exactly? Why was it written like that?

I think it was meant as a riposte to all the fawning reviews Life got, most of which parroted the "Keef = real rock 'n' roller / Mick = sellout showbiz clown" line.

bill wyman should lay off the makeup

This was probably the first Stones song I wanted to and eventually learned to play on guitar.

My #1 (yeah, "inwardness" bad choice of words). I think I am projecting a bit as parents using drugs and stuff does a number on a kid--Marlon sort of had the deluxe version of that, but whatever

SO disappointed when I realized that Slate piece wasn't really Mick (bout 3/4 of the way through) (still great tho)

Didn't even re-listen to this song when making my ballot, which was kinda a mistake, but I refused to vote for it. It is better than I give it credit for though.

My feeling was the Slate piece was crafted as an answer to Keef's bitchier sections of Life, where he's the wounded artist and Mick's the evil capitalist,he really took the gloves off in those sections...and the Slate piece definitley put a finer point on some of the hypocrisies and omissions in Keef's book. A bit of a Rosencrantz & Guildernstern version of Keef's book, if you will.

A handful of news outlets, including the Pittsburgh (I think) Fox affiliate, reported it as MICK JAGGER RESPONDS HERE IT IS IT'S OFFICIAL and then swiftly removed said reportage from their websites.

"Sway" in my top ten btw

Mick Jagger is too intelligent to respond to Keith.

Come to think of it, why didn't Wyman write it from "Bill Wyman"'s pov? That woulda been cool!

I gave my Jumpin' Jack Flash vote to Street Fighting Man but can't begrudge the finish. Johnny Fever totally OTM on the fun of playing this. Also fun to sing. My karaoke go-to when I need an ace in the hole.

JJF is more wicked and malevolent than Sympathy or Midnight Rambler--as Mick said, there's no peace and love in JJF

I think it was meant as a riposte to all the fawning reviews Life got, most of which parroted the "Keef = real rock 'n' roller / Mick = sellout showbiz clown" line.

One thing I've gotten out of this prolonged meditation on the Stones and their periods and history etc is a much deeper, um, grokking sucks but it's really the only word for this, of the mick/keef marriage. like, i can totally understand how keef would actually see it that way. and how he'd be completely wrong.

xpost yes alfred otm