GIRLS talk (the Lena Dunham thread)

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0997079/

milo do you only watch action movies or something

Larries Who Lunch

no, because most action movies are crap because the hero is playing on God Mode

iddqed

anyone else getting Parker Lewis Can't Lose flashbacks right now?

http://www.corinnemec.com/images/stories/parker-lewis/parker-lewis-dvd2.jpg

milo do you only watch action movies or something

― max, Friday, April 6, 2012 1:34 PM (28 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

its funny cause i was thinking the actual popular movies re new york are prob mostly abt people killing each other and the mafia - this discussion is abt a p niche product that prob mostly appeals to people of similar background

nb: I didn't think Girls was funny, either, or I'd cut it a lot more slack. It read as painfully awkward melodrama to me more than comedy.

you mean tiny furniture?

This is just off the top of my head, here’s what I would put in my start pack currently, if I was trying to make everybody feel the inside of my brain: I’d probably put Ariel, the Sylvia Plath book of poems, I’d put the new Sheila Heti novel, How Should a Person Be, I’d put Wallflower at the Orgy by Nora Ephron. Those would be my three books. I’d put Gilda Live, the documentary of Gilda directed by Mike Nichols, I’d put An Unmarried Woman, and I’d put in Clueless and then maybe like one Sufjan Stevens for feeling feelings too: Seven Swans. Then I’m just gonna throw Betty Davis—Miles Davis’s wife Betty Davis, not the disco crazy nutbag singer—I’d put her cd in there. Right now, if I was like, I want you to feel my feelings, I’d hand you those things.

er, yeah, because I was going to say that I'm giving Girls a shot because it might really be funny

surfin stevens and betty davis and gilda radner are faves of mine too, maybe I'M oh wait i fucking hate nora ephron

yeah i dont know man i think if "actual lives are at stake" is for an important characteristic of good art i dont think were ever going to agree about art period let alone an hbo show

I didn't say "actual lives are at stake," I said risk.

conflict is importnat to narrative, what kind of protagonist do u have

give Girls til the end of season 1 to see if they resolve any conflicts with physical violence imo

what are we talking about then? is it that emotional/psychological 'risk' arent important enough?

a story can be seen as a mountain climbing your hero will have to overcome many obsitcles one is a huge rock in the way

I laughed at the younger sister, the white cabinets, the explanation of fucking in a pipe.

I did pretty much hate all the dudes in the movie to a degree that bothered me.

Emotional/psychological risk is pretty much every love story ever, so yes that's important.

The malaise of being young and privileged, though, doesn't cut it for me.

the tools u are using to assess this art are too crude for the job

i dont know that being privileged is the source of dunhams 'malaise' though -- it inflects it in certain ways but shes not exactly sad *because* her parents are well-off

surely the source is Sufjan Stevens for feeling feelings

if only she were sad because OBAMA wouldn't let her buy more handguns

that would be more interesting tbh

In my mind, I see a link between the Dartmouth frat bro writing a memoir and Tiny Furniture (which is memoir-ish) - if you're 22-24, the odds of you having done anything worth writing a memoir or making a movie about are pretty slim.

which is also a privilege thing because State U grads who have to start working soul-sucking jobs just to survive aren't exactly getting $$$ to make films that mirror their real lives (those films would be just as dull as Tiny Furniture, most likely)

how old or underprivileged would she have to be before the odds of her art being worthwhile were sufficient to engender interest

(i am just pretending u r not interested in this show for the sake of argument)

you can always make art that isn't suffocatingly autobiographical iirc

i feel like im losing the thread here

the thread wants to be free, max. don't try to control it.

'write abt what you know' important tip for making compelling art

fwiw i dont think tiny furniture is a memoir

i dont have a problem with young people writing memoirs

i imagine that a "State U grads who have to start working soul-sucking jobs just to survive" as perceptive and funny as dunham could probably make a film as good as tiny furniture

some dude otm twice

what abt someone who dropped out of jr college tho

what is the dartmouth frat bro movie called? is it animal house?

i googled dartmouth frat bro and apparently its a real thing, i thought milo was trying to draw some weird false equivalency there with a made-up example

http://jezebel.com/5897558/dartmouth-frat-bros-bro-memoir-will-one-day-polarize-bros-everywhere

we talked about it on another thread? Dartmouth hazing whistleblower now writing memoir etc.

yeah i dunno i dont really find the concept of a dartmouth frat bro writing a memoir galling

ha, I hadn't even seen that Jezebel thing. <3 the phrase frat bro

it's not galling but it's difficult to believe that many 22-year old who aren't war heroes or w/e have a compelling tale to tell unless you're also a frat bro

is that the guy who did the hazing piece in esquire or whatever? that made for some nauseating reading
apparently bros like to puke on each others faces and genitals until they have no more tooth enamel

easier to just watch this
http://www.thecinemasource.com/moviesdb/images/TheSkullsPoster300.jpg

there was a time when i had not heard the term "vomlette" and i want that time back

that story sounds actually too compelling

even tho its not abt war and took place before a person was 22 which is generally just meaningless bullshit not worth mentioning

what if your under 22 but also a vampire

have to be a sexy vampire imo