"Under My Thumb" has had a lot more not-actually-sexist defenses than a lot of other Stones songs (many of which are plainly indefensible on that front), don't really see the need for that convo in this thread and least of all about that song
xpost
― ferrante's inferranteno (some dude), Thursday, 5 April 2012 18:06 (twelve years ago) link
although i'm kind of amazed that thread doesn't bring up Ellen Willis: http://jezebel.com/5797747/the-willis-test-is-the-new-bechdel-test
― ferrante's inferranteno (some dude), Thursday, 5 April 2012 18:08 (twelve years ago) link
Indian Girl is more offensive, right? If only from a quality POV!
― Iago Galdston, Thursday, 5 April 2012 18:08 (twelve years ago) link
if we're widening the net from sexist to offensive then "Thumb" wouldn't even make the top 10 Stones songs up for debate
― ferrante's inferranteno (some dude), Thursday, 5 April 2012 18:09 (twelve years ago) link
POLLED IN THE MARKET DOWN IN NEW ORLEANS
― all yoga attacks are fire based (rogermexico.), Thursday, 5 April 2012 18:14 (twelve years ago) link
haha, so true some dude
― Iago Galdston, Thursday, 5 April 2012 18:14 (twelve years ago) link
it's OK, Rog, your first poll thread had the probably best poll title pun ever
― Iago Galdston, Thursday, 5 April 2012 18:15 (twelve years ago) link
ha. point being, i ruled the above out on the basis of "too offensive"
it's easy to forget how "edgy" dudes were in their day. my gf grew up in a funk/soul/gospel household and is relatively new to the notion of enjoying music made by white people. she's coming round on the Stones based on a) stolen from black people and b) "winter," but remarked last night in re "sweet virginia" whoa they did swear a lot huh? and i'm like "and that's the lyrics you can make out." then put on "star star"
― all yoga attacks are fire based (rogermexico.), Thursday, 5 April 2012 18:19 (twelve years ago) link
Exile is probably one of the first major rock records w/substantial profanity in the lyrics.
― Mike Love Costume Jewelry on Etsy (C. Grisso/McCain), Thursday, 5 April 2012 18:25 (twelve years ago) link
damn, this is really low for Under My Thumb. does Heart of Stone even stand a chance anymore?
― gospodin simmel, Thursday, 5 April 2012 18:26 (twelve years ago) link
I don't have much of a feeling on Under My Thumb except I don't really like it. I find it kinda, skeevy? Something. I hate the line about she's a siamese cat of a girl, it just gets in my head and blehhhh yuk.
The sexism? I mean, you could argue that they've had that same basic pose for their whole career, it's kind of stupid to just hone in on one song. You form a band with a bunch of oversexed horndogs, that's what happens.
― Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 5 April 2012 18:28 (twelve years ago) link
I just heard "No Scrubs" again. Still far more sexist than "Under My Thumb."
― rogermexico., Wednesday, September 12, 2007 4:33 PM (4 years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
wtf
― JIM THOMETHEUS (zachlyon), Thursday, 5 April 2012 18:29 (twelve years ago) link
say whatnow
― Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 5 April 2012 18:31 (twelve years ago) link
love "2000 light years from home", was my #2 (though largely for strategic reasons). one of the few genuinely psychedelic stones stones that actually works.
love "brown sugar", too, but didn't vote for it. exposure fatigue, i guess, cuz it's a hell of a lot of fun.
"under my thumb" is brilliant full stop & brilliantly nasty (those marimbas! "sweetest ... pet in the world"), but it's always irritated the shit out of me, so i cut it w prejudice.
― preternatural concepts concerning variances in sound and texture (contenderizer), Thursday, 5 April 2012 18:32 (twelve years ago) link
and yeah, boggled by the "no scrubs" comment
― preternatural concepts concerning variances in sound and texture (contenderizer), Thursday, 5 April 2012 18:33 (twelve years ago) link
xpost we can discuss it in this thread if u like: what is sexist, exactly, about TLC's "No Scrubs"?
― all yoga attacks are fire based (rogermexico.), Thursday, 5 April 2012 18:33 (twelve years ago) link
Wow, voting "2000 Light Years ..." #2 for strategic reasons is pretty heavy. Interested to see just how gamed other people's ballots are.
― grandavis, Thursday, 5 April 2012 18:36 (twelve years ago) link
feel like i walked into /mra
― JIM THOMETHEUS (zachlyon), Thursday, 5 April 2012 18:36 (twelve years ago) link
I'm still trying to understand why I included "Who's Driving Your Plane?" on my ballot
― Iago Galdston, Thursday, 5 April 2012 18:37 (twelve years ago) link
I don't want no "No Scrubs" discussion itt
― some dude, Thursday, 5 April 2012 18:37 (twelve years ago) link
this is prob the wrong thread for it, but the willis test strikes me as nonsense. for one thing, i could see a woman singing "wild world" to her (young, naive and handsome toyboy) lover. make a good marianne faithful song, imo. for another, lots of not-sexist songs wouldn't work terribly well with the genders reversed: "street fighting man", for instance.
― preternatural concepts concerning variances in sound and texture (contenderizer), Thursday, 5 April 2012 18:39 (twelve years ago) link
^ more crap that doesn't belong itt
2000 light years was my #3 for the reason that it has always been one of my favorite stones songs
― buzza, Thursday, 5 April 2012 18:40 (twelve years ago) link
see ppl this is why I didnt vote Under My Thumb
― a lot of seriously talentless bassists out there (loves laboured breathing), Thursday, 5 April 2012 18:40 (twelve years ago) link
i did!
― some dude, Thursday, 5 April 2012 18:40 (twelve years ago) link
i could see a woman singing "wild world" to her (young, naive and handsome toyboy) lover
Concrete Blonde's "Joey" was not yet dreamt of in Ellen Willis' 1971 philosophy
― da croupier, Thursday, 5 April 2012 18:40 (twelve years ago) link
anyway, rolling stones - great band!
― da croupier, Thursday, 5 April 2012 18:41 (twelve years ago) link
anyway re frank's comment in the under my thumb thread basically saying it's all ironic/in character -- this might be true and i'm typically willing to believe it, but i'm so sick of it. feel like this is basically the defense used every single time an old rocker is accused of being shitty and there's no way it's always true. people really need to be able to fathom the possibility that their favorite decrepit rock stars were shitty people in the 70s.
― JIM THOMETHEUS (zachlyon), Thursday, 5 April 2012 18:42 (twelve years ago) link
Did not mean to imply that "2000 Light Years ..." was not awesome! Just interested in the strategic poll phenomena. Pretty much all of these songs are great, probably why there isn't much hand-wringing going on with this poll compared to the others I've taken part in.
― grandavis, Thursday, 5 April 2012 18:43 (twelve years ago) link
not saying i don't love the song! i do love it, but considering there were like 40 songs i absolutely HAD to vote for and no way to for me to sensibly "rank" a lot of them, my whole ballot was essentially strategic.
― preternatural concepts concerning variances in sound and texture (contenderizer), Thursday, 5 April 2012 18:44 (twelve years ago) link
Pretty much all of these songs are great, probably why there isn't much hand-wringing going on with this poll compared to the others I've taken part in.
yeah, i've been happy to see every song arrive, even stuff that i cut happily. except "i am waiting", i guess.
― preternatural concepts concerning variances in sound and texture (contenderizer), Thursday, 5 April 2012 18:49 (twelve years ago) link
22. Let It Loose – 430 points (16 votes, 2x #1)
https://www.morrisonhotelgallery.com/images/medium/DTMICKNELLCOTE.jpghttp://www.youtu.be/DyQ7YVXrCk4
― all yoga attacks are fire based (rogermexico.), Thursday, 5 April 2012 18:50 (twelve years ago) link
Didn't vote for UMT but relistening to Aftermath this afternoon I'm thinking I should've. I've also realised I've really been underrating that album and Let It Bleed ('Midnight Rambler' is the key to the latter).
― Gavin, Leeds, Thursday, 5 April 2012 18:52 (twelve years ago) link
jeez every song from exile huh guys
― some dude, Thursday, 5 April 2012 18:52 (twelve years ago) link
Is this the best song on Exile? I think it probably is.
― Ismael Klata, Thursday, 5 April 2012 18:52 (twelve years ago) link
oh yes, there was no way i was leaving this off my ballot--glad it's above shine a light, which this is superior to
― Iago Galdston, Thursday, 5 April 2012 18:52 (twelve years ago) link
I subbed in Let It Loose for every other song on Exile that I wanted to vote for.
― Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 5 April 2012 18:53 (twelve years ago) link
#7 for me I think
― a lot of seriously talentless bassists out there (loves laboured breathing), Thursday, 5 April 2012 18:55 (twelve years ago) link
my #3. this is one of those tracks that, like, i thought i was the only one, and i am so happy to find out i'm not alone. with exile the whole is obv greater than sum of parts but i think ismael is otm. it's perfect.
― all yoga attacks are fire based (rogermexico.), Thursday, 5 April 2012 18:57 (twelve years ago) link
like, i'm truly astonished that it came in this high, and on the other hand it's way too low.
― all yoga attacks are fire based (rogermexico.), Thursday, 5 April 2012 18:58 (twelve years ago) link
I love it towards the end when all the backup singers sort of split apart and start doing their own thing, it's glorious
― Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 5 April 2012 18:59 (twelve years ago) link
arguably mick's finest hour as a vocal performer and lyricist.
― all yoga attacks are fire based (rogermexico.), Thursday, 5 April 2012 19:05 (twelve years ago) link
I've been so out of it this week -- when "Let It Loose" popped up, my first thought was "damn, I wish I'd voted for that." Then I looked at my ballot and saw that I had it in my top 10. The backing vocals make this song for me.
― improvised explosive advice (WmC), Thursday, 5 April 2012 19:15 (twelve years ago) link
Vanetta Fields was a backup singer for australian singer John Farnham when I was a kid & thought he was the bees knees - she's sung for everyone but she was one of the backup singers on Exile & I think she's pretty awesome
― Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 5 April 2012 19:18 (twelve years ago) link
John Farnham! Pretty sure Whispering Jack was the first album I ever bought.
― Ismael Klata, Thursday, 5 April 2012 19:20 (twelve years ago) link
I laid it on the parcel shelf during the long journey home and the sun melted a big bump in it. But it still played, unlike the 7" of Jack Your Body that was beside it and got totally wrecked.
― Ismael Klata, Thursday, 5 April 2012 19:23 (twelve years ago) link
He was the best thing since sliced bread in like 5th Grade. I watched that bloody whispering jack live concert vhs so many times, lol
― Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 5 April 2012 19:31 (twelve years ago) link
We should save this for the John Farnham poll
― Ismael Klata, Thursday, 5 April 2012 19:33 (twelve years ago) link
I still have a 7" of Jack Your Body which I could tape for you. If I still had a record player. And a cassette player. And a cassette.
― Let's Talk About Socks (Nasty, Brutish & Short), Thursday, 5 April 2012 19:35 (twelve years ago) link
Does it have the little 'jjjack' in the corner of the sleeve? I love that.
― Ismael Klata, Thursday, 5 April 2012 19:38 (twelve years ago) link