i'm just gonna vote chems not because i like them better than the rest of my shortlist but because they're the only ones to have put out credible bangers recently (escape velocity!!!)
― the late great, Thursday, 5 April 2012 01:23 (twelve years ago) link
I can't remember you ever saying anything about Orbital but if I had to hazard a guess I'd say you don't like them very much??
― Tim F, Thursday, 5 April 2012 02:02 (twelve years ago) link
Yeah Chems do amazing credible bangers. I sort of wish they'd turned into anonymous producers after Come With Us. And especially anonymous remixers. Adore their remix of Kylie's "Slow".
― Tim F, Thursday, 5 April 2012 02:03 (twelve years ago) link
orbital is okay but to me pretty whatever. like i have no problem w orbital but to me they blend in with a lot of competent progressive techno from that era, like leftfield, underworld, speedy j, etc
― the late great, Thursday, 5 April 2012 02:09 (twelve years ago) link
is there anything in that style you're super-into or is it all just competent?
― Tim F, Thursday, 5 April 2012 02:09 (twelve years ago) link
i guess i feel about them the way i do about like pantha du prince - pretty, but ultimately that focus on baroque, uplifting ethereal harmony always makes me feel like its insubstantial
― the late great, Thursday, 5 April 2012 02:14 (twelve years ago) link
uh, i dunno. that's a good question. what else is like orbital? something like "smokebelch ii"? i'm super into that.
― the late great, Thursday, 5 April 2012 02:16 (twelve years ago) link
the martian? UR's high tech jazz? derrick may? stacey pullen? kenny larkin? ken ishii?
to me the stuff from orbital i like best ("chime", "belfast", "halcyon") sounds a lot like detroit-derived techno scrubbed of the appealing grit and weirdness
― the late great, Thursday, 5 April 2012 02:22 (twelve years ago) link
then once you get to "in sides" it turns into kitchen-sink electronica vomit IMO
but yeah, i can listen to and enjoy green and brown, they're quite nice, but i'll always grab one of those aforementioned artists instead, i suppose for somewhat rockist reasons
― the late great, Thursday, 5 April 2012 02:27 (twelve years ago) link
similarly i always really dug fahrenheit 303 but it just makes me want to listen to voodoo ray or tricky disco or mr fingers instead
etc etc etc
― the late great, Thursday, 5 April 2012 02:29 (twelve years ago) link
a lot of orbital has that post-industrial drum sound and programming that sounds badly dated too, kinda ends up sounding like meat beat manifesto or belgian new beat or something (speed freak and steel cube come to mind)
― the late great, Thursday, 5 April 2012 02:32 (twelve years ago) link
a lot of orbital has that post-industrial drum sound and programming that sounds badly dated too, kinda ends up sounding like meat beat manifesto or belgian new beat or something
haha i'd say that's one of its appealing points of distinction!
― Tim F, Thursday, 5 April 2012 02:37 (twelve years ago) link
eh, i can't really hang with that for whatever reason, maybe because my sister and i went through a simultaneous industrial phase in high school that involved lots of KMFDM and thrill kill kult and even worse wax trax stuff than that - i even bought that big wax trax box :-(
i even have deep problems w/ DHS, which everyone else praises to high heaven
― the late great, Thursday, 5 April 2012 02:43 (twelve years ago) link
at one point in high school i used to tell people my favorite band was 1000 homo djs
no more industrial music for me
― the late great, Thursday, 5 April 2012 02:45 (twelve years ago) link
i should probably go to a goth club at some point in my life again while i can still pass for late 20s, but i'd have to drive up to LA to do that, i think
― the late great, Thursday, 5 April 2012 02:46 (twelve years ago) link
roule and crydamoure OTOH never seem to get old, not does their ultra hard ultra tracky early shit
Think I love Crydamoure more, on the whole, than Daft Punk, tho Discovery remains untouchable.
― hot and brothered (Eric H.), Thursday, 5 April 2012 03:00 (twelve years ago) link
Excluding post-2000 output it's got to be Orbital
― Jamón Sibérico (Ówen P.), Thursday, 5 April 2012 03:21 (twelve years ago) link
Incredibly I've never heard an Orbital album. I'm assuming the earlier stuff is more detroit-y/bleepy? What should I get?
― tanuki, Thursday, 5 April 2012 04:57 (twelve years ago) link
I didn't realize that Plaid wasn't always synonymous with Black Dog Productions... oh well. Mbuki Mvuki is great.
― elan, Thursday, 5 April 2012 05:19 (twelve years ago) link
mbuki mvuki is like a sandwich of two parts cheese and one part shit
― the late great, Thursday, 5 April 2012 05:53 (twelve years ago) link
anything hurts my ears, next two are riple, perplex makes kirk de g sound like herbie hancock but they get points for trying and they're way ahead of him, he still sounded like b12 at this point and wouldn't get to this type of breaks and synth until like 97, so that side on balance is 2/3 cheese 1/3 shit
summit reminds one of "prime united future organization" which is a different sort of ripe, scoobs in columbia i never liked, yak and bouncing checks are awesome, we're 50/50 at this point but we i count the good ones each as x2 cause i'm an optimist, so again 2/3 to 1/3
― the late great, Thursday, 5 April 2012 06:03 (twelve years ago) link
on bytes the ken downie tracks slaughter everything else, though this was not the case later
the alternate tracks from this period on disc 1 of trainer are uniformly awesome though
― the late great, Thursday, 5 April 2012 06:13 (twelve years ago) link
This poll was about duos, and The Black Dog/BDP was a trio consisting of Plaid + other guy. When the Plaid guys went back to being duo, I think the third guy kept The Black Dog name, so it's now his solo project.
― Tuomas, Thursday, 5 April 2012 06:16 (twelve years ago) link
"post-plaid black dog is execrable and worse than current plaid, which is merely pointless, in a worse way than stereolab, but not much worse"
-- pitchfork magazine
― the late great, Thursday, 5 April 2012 06:17 (twelve years ago) link
allmusic is nice and says "an interesting blend ... with the free-form structures of film soundtracking" which is a nice way to say sounds like music for viral ads on vimeo
their coup de grace is "the results of which are intriguing although rarely crucial" though i would strike "rarely crucial" in favor of "mostly unlistenable"
― the late great, Thursday, 5 April 2012 06:21 (twelve years ago) link
I kinda liked the Black Dog album that followed Spanners, Music for Adverts or whatever it was called. It was a collection of short and pretty vignettes, like Satie for the IDM crowd or something. Nothing mindblowing, but pleasant background music. I haven't been paying attention what The Black Dog is doing these days, though.
― Tuomas, Thursday, 5 April 2012 06:22 (twelve years ago) link
even their bangers
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pm2tRqdchIs
are really twee
― the late great, Thursday, 5 April 2012 06:25 (twelve years ago) link
tuomas you must be trolling
Huh?
― Tuomas, Thursday, 5 April 2012 06:27 (twelve years ago) link
check out this contemporaneous interview where he talks about brian eno, jah wobble and mozart in the same paragraph
http://www.theblackdogma.com/tbd/2008/08/archive-dog-bites-back-interview-with-dj-magazine-28-08-96/
more like music for nerds amirite
― the late great, Thursday, 5 April 2012 06:30 (twelve years ago) link
As opposed to the trio Black Dog and Plaid?
― Tuomas, Thursday, 5 April 2012 06:33 (twelve years ago) link
eh its about degrees
― the late great, Thursday, 5 April 2012 06:36 (twelve years ago) link
it all gets a little too on the sleeve when a beat poet guests on your album, this album is like just the bongos
― the late great, Thursday, 5 April 2012 06:37 (twelve years ago) link
i'm talking about the album after the music for adverts one, that has the beat poet talking over bongos and didgeridoo, and i was trying to say the adverts one sounds like just the bongos
― the late great, Thursday, 5 April 2012 06:38 (twelve years ago) link
it is in "poor taste" if you will
― the late great, Thursday, 5 April 2012 06:39 (twelve years ago) link
IMO the Music for Adverts album actually sounds less nerdy, because it doesn't have the complexity and IDM tweakery of the Plaid-related stuff. Like I said, just pleasant vignettes.
― Tuomas, Thursday, 5 April 2012 06:40 (twelve years ago) link
(xx-post)
Well yeah, like I said, I have no idea what the Black Dog guy did after MfA.
i think that lack of sonic attention just makes the conceptual side of the work jut out at me
anyway i was wondering if anybody had heard dj c's "mad again" and if they thought it was triumphant postdiploism or merely eccentric postjaxxism
― the late great, Thursday, 5 April 2012 06:45 (twelve years ago) link
http://soundcloud.com/mashit/dj-c-mad-again-du-ting-mix
there's an awkward kind of poseathon section at 1:30 and i don't think they would ever slide that far from actual dancing but its got the same production quality
the term "bouncement" is suspect
― the late great, Thursday, 5 April 2012 06:49 (twelve years ago) link
this is all a bit too arcane for me, but...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=72ZAMCzjxrk
― preternatural concepts concerning variances in sound and texture (contenderizer), Thursday, 5 April 2012 06:55 (twelve years ago) link
spaghetti western
― the late great, Thursday, 5 April 2012 06:57 (twelve years ago) link
it's kinda pastiche to my ears
― the late great, Thursday, 5 April 2012 07:12 (twelve years ago) link
pastiche maybe, but it doesn't sound a damn thing like its inspirations. and the transformation c. 3:40 is one of the most amazing moments the 90s produced, genre notwithstanding
― preternatural concepts concerning variances in sound and texture (contenderizer), Thursday, 5 April 2012 07:18 (twelve years ago) link
they're kinda like a techno version of tortoise
― the late great, Thursday, 5 April 2012 07:20 (twelve years ago) link
do not say such terrible things
― preternatural concepts concerning variances in sound and texture (contenderizer), Thursday, 5 April 2012 07:21 (twelve years ago) link
i mean yeah, w the insistent subtleties, but listen to the way the bounceback echoes complete the melodic phrases in the 2nd half, so nice
― preternatural concepts concerning variances in sound and texture (contenderizer), Thursday, 5 April 2012 07:23 (twelve years ago) link
and tortise never jammed half as hard, unless remixed by sensible people
― preternatural concepts concerning variances in sound and texture (contenderizer), Thursday, 5 April 2012 07:24 (twelve years ago) link
negative jamming going on here but still one of my fave ae mixes:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SkHIVu06Nh8
― i remember when there was time for klax (ledge), Thursday, 5 April 2012 08:16 (twelve years ago) link
I really like Plaid, or big chunks of their first three albums at least at least (wildly inconsistent), but I don't think you can deny the tweeness, or at least the playfulness. I mean bits of Not For Threes sound like they're actually trying to make their equipment sound like a petting zoo.
― Homosexual Satan Wasp (Matt DC), Thursday, 5 April 2012 08:37 (twelve years ago) link