you gotta look out for those anarchists, you never know when they'll start the next world war one
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Wednesday, 4 April 2012 22:57 (twelve years ago) link
i love that shields are consistently cited as evidence of violent behavior
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Wednesday, 4 April 2012 23:01 (twelve years ago) link
could get into "homeland security today" tho
― the "intenterface" (difficult listening hour), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 23:03 (twelve years ago) link
http://sphotos.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/541780_10150614365110876_505490875_9575747_1168938492_n.jpg
horizontal architecture coop forming
love this
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Thursday, 5 April 2012 02:37 (twelve years ago) link
(how does an architecture firm meaningfully coop? idgi but i don't know anything about architecture)
there's a great Lebbeus Woods book from 1992 titled ANARCHITECTURE: Architecture is a Political Act
in theory I guess a horizontal architecture coop would be more of a construction concern since the licensed nature of architecture as a profession is pretty non-horizontal?
― I DIED, Thursday, 5 April 2012 02:46 (twelve years ago) link
haha wow is graeber a dick: http://crookedtimber.org/2012/04/02/seminar-on-debt-the-first-5000-years-reply/
(not gonna/don't wanna touch the actual issues under debate. but just sayin'.)
― s.clover, Thursday, 5 April 2012 16:01 (twelve years ago) link
idg why people are so stunned by that reply?
like, yeah its long as fuck? but am i missing something or
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Thursday, 5 April 2012 19:10 (twelve years ago) link
thought this part was pretty interesting
The reason why grand narratives, or metanarratives if you like, have been so broadly rejected in radical theory since the ‘80s is that they close down possibilities rather than open them up, and, of course, tend to imply that political power should be in the hands of some intellectual elite that understands the inevitable direction of history. The problem is that you can’t really think outside some narrative structures. So the result is that those who think they are embracing a postmodern skepticism towards metanarratives, and just looking at contingent particulars, seem to end up reproducing the reigning assumptions of the day (economism, usually) without even noticing they’re doing so. There was a recent special issue of the journal Current Anthropology called “The New Keywords” organized by Lauren Leve, which I contributed to, where we actually tried to demonstrate how exactly that happened in ‘80s and ‘90s anthropology: instead of grand theory we ended up with a series of themes: consumption, identity, agency, flow… and all of them, really, ended up precisely echoing the logic of the market and the emerging neoliberal ideology of the day.
― their private gesture for bison (difficult listening hour), Thursday, 5 April 2012 19:16 (twelve years ago) link
hoos: because he's just a total dick, if you read what he's replying to and what they actually said. where he's not just going in knives out for ppl that disagree he's puffing himself up something serious. & he's playing the victim card hardcore like every criticism is just an ad-hominem attack because his ideas are too dangerous or w/e when its pretty clear that's not what's going on. The whole mess is worth it however because the response to him contains the awesome line: "I also believe that for purposes of analysis one ought to separate the person from the work. Worse people have written better books. Worse people have written better books."
― s.clover, Thursday, 5 April 2012 19:45 (twelve years ago) link
oops, bad c&p job there from me. should simply read: "I also believe that for purposes of analysis one ought to separate the person from the work. Worse people have written better books."
― s.clover, Thursday, 5 April 2012 19:46 (twelve years ago) link
where he's not just going in knives out for ppl that disagree he's puffing himself up something serious. & he's playing the victim card hardcore like every criticism is just an ad-hominem attack because his ideas are too dangerous or w/e when its pretty clear that's not what's going o
i mean it seems to me he's saying "hey if you guys are gonna go for the low blow of calling the quality of my scholarship into question for a single factual error i don't see why i shouldn't return the favor for your total misunderstandings & misrepresentations of my arguments"
he hardly suggests his ideas are "too dangerous," he's illustrating that when adherents to a worldview see it attacked from the outside they'll often attack the messenger rather than addressing the argument at all because the orthodoxy is so established that contradictory ideas are seen to be ~unworthy~ of argument.
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Thursday, 5 April 2012 20:04 (twelve years ago) link
If you're a scholar, and you have a factual error, you should feel shitty about it and apologize. And if your copyeditors screwed up and not you (which seems only partially true in this case) then you should still feel shitty about it and apologize, and not expect everyone to know that you're awesome and some hack at the publisher is to blame because you wouldn't do that. and if someone points out that factual error, then that's legit. and if you're responding to some other dude who said sweet f/a about said factual error then you shouldn't drag the whole controversy (which is your problem, because your book got it wrong) into that debate too. and if the pieces yr responding to go out of their way to say all the things they like and agree with before they get into the room for debate, then its basically psychotic to accuse their authors of trying to discredit you.
i'm not even sure what "worldview" he thinks his critics are adherents of and defending against, b/c that's not what the pieces he's responding to were like at all! That's sort of the point. If someone comes at you and you go HAM, then that's one thing. But if you come in for some positive, collegial disagreement, which is to be expected if you are an academic and you write a book and people talk about it, and you paint a picture where you're a persecuted whatever, then that's totally unhinged.
"when adherents to a worldview see it attacked from the outside they'll often attack the messenger rather than addressing the argument at all because the orthodoxy is so established that contradictory ideas are seen to be ~unworthy~ of argument." is a very nice true thing in principle. but that has absolutely nothing to do with what graeber's responding to!
― s.clover, Thursday, 5 April 2012 20:40 (twelve years ago) link
If you're a scholar, and you have a factual error, you should feel shitty about it and apologize.
what do you think the entire opening was
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Thursday, 5 April 2012 20:49 (twelve years ago) link
"i fucked up. i'm gonna fix it."
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Thursday, 5 April 2012 20:50 (twelve years ago) link
i mean yeah i guess he goes ham and all
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Thursday, 5 April 2012 20:56 (twelve years ago) link
the comments on this are actually pretty great too
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Thursday, 5 April 2012 20:59 (twelve years ago) link
sterling otm, he just comes across insufferably, not even in terms of how he responds to criticism but how he responds to praise too
― max, Thursday, 5 April 2012 21:17 (twelve years ago) link
no yeah i'm walking myself back for sure here, yall otm
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Thursday, 5 April 2012 21:21 (twelve years ago) link
Farrell also starts by attacking my scholarship (in his case using a particularly obnoxious rhetorical strategy of citing my own words about the importance of careful scholarship against me.)
so obnoxious
― boxall, Friday, 6 April 2012 14:03 (twelve years ago) link
yeah I like graeber but he does fall into the pretty standard chomskyian 'everything's gotta be a conspiracy' trap when he talks about world affairs
― iatee, Friday, 6 April 2012 14:08 (twelve years ago) link
this btw
https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-wnYHPHs8_6A/T38jtAQUGTI/AAAAAAAAAQ4/rDAQ7CUs6JU/s490/2012-04-06
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Friday, 6 April 2012 17:13 (twelve years ago) link
why is darth vader mopping
― max, Friday, 6 April 2012 17:35 (twelve years ago) link
yeah idgi
― Flat Of NAGLs (sleeve), Friday, 6 April 2012 18:04 (twelve years ago) link
idgi either tbh
this is part of the "lolzy" promo materials including such gems as "one does not simply influence a congressman"
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Friday, 6 April 2012 18:05 (twelve years ago) link
i feel like you dont want to place yourselves on the same side as darth vader
― max, Friday, 6 April 2012 18:09 (twelve years ago) link
otm
there's also this which i at least prefer to the vader version
http://i44.tinypic.com/1z3bac4.jpg
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Friday, 6 April 2012 18:11 (twelve years ago) link
oh damn that's huge huh
"if you liked star wars, you'll love peaceful protest"
― wrapped sausage stylus (forksclovetofu), Friday, 6 April 2012 18:20 (twelve years ago) link
lol
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Friday, 6 April 2012 18:29 (twelve years ago) link
http://delong.typepad.com/sdj/2012/04/no-silicon-valley-did-not-and-does-not-partake-of-the-anarchist-utopian-nature-why-did-you-imagine-it-did.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+BradDelongsSemi-dailyJournal+%28Brad+DeLong%27s+Semi-Daily+Journal%29
― iatee, Saturday, 7 April 2012 16:11 (twelve years ago) link
wonder if he's related to tynan
― wrapped sausage stylus (forksclovetofu), Saturday, 7 April 2012 16:20 (twelve years ago) link
xp ha i've actually seen that wolff lecture, i am as scholarly as david graeber
― their private gesture for bison (difficult listening hour), Saturday, 7 April 2012 18:11 (twelve years ago) link
(on this one point in his enormous book)
(that is admittedly still a pretty lazy oversight)
it's not the point it's how he's reacting to it. the twitter feed where he says 'oops, my bad, that's prob wrong' vs. the way he does in the response post
― iatee, Saturday, 7 April 2012 18:15 (twelve years ago) link
academic is petulant face-saver
― their private gesture for bison (difficult listening hour), Saturday, 7 April 2012 18:20 (twelve years ago) link
"It's not the crime, it's the cover-up."
― s.clover, Saturday, 7 April 2012 21:16 (twelve years ago) link
People's Assembly/Spring Awakening in Central Park this Saturday afternoon:
http://www.nycga.net/events/event/spring-awakening-2012-occupy-new-york-city-peoples-assembly/
― World Congress of Itch (Dr Morbius), Monday, 9 April 2012 19:33 (twelve years ago) link
rad
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Monday, 9 April 2012 22:19 (twelve years ago) link
interesting read re currency dominance: http://web.mit.edu/krugman/www/seignor.html
― s.clover, Wednesday, 11 April 2012 15:21 (twelve years ago) link
just catching up on this thread, and that egregious/hilarious hstoday.com post (?!!? at that whole site)
unless there is more than one Ian Oxnevad about, this is him:
http://twitter.com/ianoxnevadhttp://www.chabotstrategies.com/recent-articles.html
amazing that such bad writers can get paid telling other people about the world
― goole, Wednesday, 11 April 2012 15:28 (twelve years ago) link
UC Davis report on the pepper-spray incident is up: http://reynosoreport.ucdavis.edu/reynoso-report.pdf
Anonymous statements by police officers at the end are interesting.
― all things must pass (shaane), Wednesday, 11 April 2012 23:13 (twelve years ago) link
uc davis was forced to release a report to maintain safety
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Wednesday, 11 April 2012 23:49 (twelve years ago) link
so here's a kind of back-patting thing i wrote
http://eyesopen99.wordpress.com/2012/04/12/what-have-we-accomplished/
i'm broken and looking for hope, sue me
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Thursday, 12 April 2012 05:59 (twelve years ago) link
occ chicago & staff at a mental health clinic have occupied & barricaded demanding to talk to rahm
http://www.ustream.tv/channel/tangello
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Thursday, 12 April 2012 22:15 (twelve years ago) link
I didn't hear about these doings in Montreal:
http://occupywallst.org/article/montreal-students-occupy-banks-12-hour-protest-mar/
― World Congress of Itch (Dr Morbius), Friday, 13 April 2012 15:29 (twelve years ago) link
Made it to the park for the last 10 mins or so of the GA, then floated between a few breakout groups (kinda like a lol cop).
― World Congress of Itch (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 15 April 2012 00:39 (twelve years ago) link
i used to hang out with the cops during the slow parts of the GAs and field questions. (by "questions" i mean "why don't you guys have a platform".) gradually our relationship with the PD decayed, which can't all have been on me.
― their private gesture for bison (difficult listening hour), Sunday, 15 April 2012 04:47 (twelve years ago) link
btw hoos the bolshy history dork in me (i.e., most of me) was excited to find the link to "dual power" behind the "building the new world in the shell of the old" bit at the end of your article; i did not know dual power was an anarchist Thing as the last i'd heard of it was feb-oct 1917 but i think the slow, patient success of the russian soviets as parallel and eventually undeniable political institutions is a really important lesson. anyway the article is a v solid Previously On; i hope it cheered people up.
― their private gesture for bison (difficult listening hour), Sunday, 15 April 2012 05:12 (twelve years ago) link