Why is casual racism/sexism more accepted in video games than other forms of media (these days)?

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okay lol @ Mario being so mainstreamed that all of the "MAMA MIA" and "IT'SA ME, MARIO!" interjections don't even register as caricature anymore

God, Music and Romeo and Juliet (DJP), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 20:57 (five years ago) Permalink

i disagree w/ ZS's assertion esp bc i think the most racist/sexist behavior re video games happens in their most collective experience (multiplayer)

Mordy, Wednesday, 4 April 2012 20:57 (five years ago) Permalink

Yeah I think this is pretty easily chalked up to creators pandering to (and being born of) the overwhelmingly 15-35 male demographics of AAA game buyers. The women and men who like and play AAA games but don't like sexualized representations of women in these games (and also comic books) make their voices heard but the majority of the audience would be bummed if you took away their lizardwoman tits.

raw feel vegan (silby), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 20:57 (five years ago) Permalink

duh DJP you cant be racist against italians anymore, the godfather fixed that forever

sfdgafhtehw (jjjusten), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 20:58 (five years ago) Permalink

it's well documented that gaming community demographics are a) incredibly skewed towards white males and b) fairly skewed towards people with poor social skills, which seems like a believable cause of misogyny and just general misanthropy all around

ciderpress, Wednesday, 4 April 2012 20:59 (five years ago) Permalink

did Mario ever say those lines or are we forcing racism on the poor guy? are we blaming his video game char for his cartoon version? important issues in my work day

bnw, Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:00 (five years ago) Permalink

"it's a-me, Mario!" the sound of booting up Super Mario 64 iirc.

raw feel vegan (silby), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:01 (five years ago) Permalink

lol gg then

bnw, Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:02 (five years ago) Permalink

fyi listening to that may drive you crazy

God, Music and Romeo and Juliet (DJP), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:03 (five years ago) Permalink

the Mario Kart one is also insane

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zszjSeK_F5Q&feature=related

God, Music and Romeo and Juliet (DJP), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:05 (five years ago) Permalink

"So long, gay Bowser!"

beanz meanz lulz (snoball), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:05 (five years ago) Permalink

Alot of this sounds like hes sleeping with someone. *barfs*
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og (admrl), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:06 (five years ago) Permalink

Do u say "ravioli!" when u fuckin?

og (admrl), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:07 (five years ago) Permalink

did they really get roberto benigni to do the voices?

Philip Nunez, Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:07 (five years ago) Permalink

Everybody knows that Mario's wet dreams involve pasta and Bowser.

beanz meanz lulz (snoball), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:08 (five years ago) Permalink

it's well documented that gaming community demographics are a) incredibly skewed towards white males and b) fairly skewed towards people with poor social skills, which seems like a believable cause of misogyny and just general misanthropy all around

I worked at a gaming geek/comic book store for a couple years and this kind of stuff is everywhere. the idea that females without massive bobs existed at some point is lost on these people

Estimate the percent chance that a whale has ever been to the moon? (frogbs), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:11 (five years ago) Permalink

haha awesome typo

"I like the writer but does the artist have to make every female character's hair so big?"

God, Music and Romeo and Juliet (DJP), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:12 (five years ago) Permalink

i'ma luigi. nambar wan.

goole, Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:14 (five years ago) Permalink

oh man my old college roommate used to say "yeah, peach has got it" in a squeaky ass voice all the time. mad nostalgia.

goole, Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:15 (five years ago) Permalink

http://images.wikia.com/logopedia/images/6/63/Bobs1.jpg

og (admrl), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:15 (five years ago) Permalink

I never played the Horde side of WoW with any regularity so I didn't realize that the trolls were all Jamaican until way way late in the game when I started a troll character because I was bored. Reading the quest text for most of the starter area was PAINFUL.

God, Music and Romeo and Juliet (DJP), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:16 (five years ago) Permalink

there's a ton of gender normalization in movies too, yeah?

dayo, Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:16 (five years ago) Permalink

im def not saying that movies are immune but i dont think you can make the argument that movies even approach the overt O_O aspects of video games wrt either of these

sfdgafhtehw (jjjusten), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:18 (five years ago) Permalink

(I also used to play WoW with the sound off and either Vent or iTunes going, so I missed a good chunk of the voice acting)

God, Music and Romeo and Juliet (DJP), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:19 (five years ago) Permalink

oh yeah for sure, and movies as a genre are much more mature. but it seems to me that anytime you throw a lot of money at a project (either a blockbuster movie or a blockbuster game) you're gonna end up w/ some pretty unreasonable gender representations

dayo, Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:20 (five years ago) Permalink

re: relative badness of video games to movies, for that to be true then the racism/sexism would have to be toned down in game-to-movie adaptations, and it seems like in most cases it just got worse.

Philip Nunez, Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:21 (five years ago) Permalink

also feel like games HAVE to make gamers empathize w/ the game in a way that movies do not - movies can take more risks that way

dayo, Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:21 (five years ago) Permalink

Todd Solondz presents: Happiness, the Video Game

dayo, Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:22 (five years ago) Permalink

I always thought Tomb Raider the movie was made just to quiet all the feminist groups that complained about the video game, saying things like "no REAL woman could possibly look like that", well, lo and behold

Estimate the percent chance that a whale has ever been to the moon? (frogbs), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:24 (five years ago) Permalink

also in movies you actually have real actresses whereas if you're making a game you can just crank up the boob slider

ciderpress, Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:24 (five years ago) Permalink

re: relative badness of video games to movies, for that to be true then the racism/sexism would have to be toned down in game-to-movie adaptations, and it seems like in most cases it just got worse.

Can you give an example of this? I think in many cases, it's more the medium of being presented something as a movie rather than a game making it easier to notice the source material's dodgier aspects.

God, Music and Romeo and Juliet (DJP), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:24 (five years ago) Permalink

i know i am probably missing some counterexamples here but it seems like the new fallout stuff has actually done a pretty good job of avoiding these pitfalls considering what a massive game francise its been

sfdgafhtehw (jjjusten), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:25 (five years ago) Permalink

oh man I remember reading an interview with the creators of the first Tomb Raider game where the art director almost verbatim said "you're spending 20 hours staring at this character's bum so it might as well be a nice one"

God, Music and Romeo and Juliet (DJP), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:26 (five years ago) Permalink

also in movies you actually have real actresses whereas if you're making a game you can just crank up the boob slider

there are a few real actresses I'd like to introduce you to

Estimate the percent chance that a whale has ever been to the moon? (frogbs), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:26 (five years ago) Permalink

casual sexism is pretty accepted in rap music, along with casual homophobia and racism in the form of anti-semitism

congratulations (n/a), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:27 (five years ago) Permalink

I remember an interview with the creators of Tomb Raider, a few months before it came out, where they were like "if you're gonna spend the whole game looking at a butt it may as well be a really nice ass, high five broooooooseph *jumping chestbump*"

1986 tallest hair contest (Z S), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:27 (five years ago) Permalink

WTF??? Xpost

1986 tallest hair contest (Z S), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:27 (five years ago) Permalink

hahahaha

God, Music and Romeo and Juliet (DJP), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:28 (five years ago) Permalink

ha there is probably something to the idea that the minute graphics got past the 8-bit stage the next logical progression was for game designers to think "oh shit now we can model T&A far more accurately"

sfdgafhtehw (jjjusten), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:28 (five years ago) Permalink

has anybody ever seen Z S and DJP in a room at the same time before

dayo, Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:28 (five years ago) Permalink

boob slider:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dead_or_Alive_Xtreme_Beach_Volleyball

dayo, Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:28 (five years ago) Permalink

also in movies you actually have real actresses whereas if you're making a game you can just crank up the boob slider

... why does my lizard lady have tits.

This thread is comedy username gold

og (admrl), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:29 (five years ago) Permalink

wd play all the games with massive shadebobs

http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=shadebobs&tbm=isch

instant coffee happening between us (a passing spacecadet), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:29 (five years ago) Permalink

Seriously didn't see that since I'm Zinging it and I'm slow. that interview was apparently very influential for us!

1986 tallest hair contest (Z S), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:29 (five years ago) Permalink

The Dead or Alive series spent an inordinate amount of time working on a super accurate physics engine just so they could claim to be the fighting game with the most realistic breast bounces

lol this was xposted by dayo

God, Music and Romeo and Juliet (DJP), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:30 (five years ago) Permalink

there's something to the argument that the fleshing-out of things is responsible, and that more sophisticated graphics/sound enables greater racism/sexism, but the dodgier aspects of movies are made dodgier by the movie. it's not as if it somehow revealed ugliness lurking beneath, e.g. casting leguizamo as luigi in super mario movie.

Philip Nunez, Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:31 (five years ago) Permalink

They didn't really say broseph - it was a more innocent time.

Andrew Farrell, Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:31 (five years ago) Permalink

there's some interview w/ the doa creator where he says he cares about the physics so much because he considers all the female characters his daughters or something

puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:32 (five years ago) Permalink

wait, why is Leguizamo worthy of mention but BOB HOSKINS isn't

God, Music and Romeo and Juliet (DJP), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:33 (five years ago) Permalink

lonely shut-in + misogyny + social media + billions of dollars = disaster

alcohol aficionado zane lamprey (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 12 June 2017 09:59 (one month ago) Permalink

nationalise the videogames industry imo, all that money is not good for the people who are good at making games

alcohol aficionado zane lamprey (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 12 June 2017 09:59 (one month ago) Permalink

Yeah, this weekend is a great time for these fucks to show up again

if people come at you for these not being "recent" enough: pic.twitter.com/2CkHlzy8Z2

— celene 🌙 (@ombrophilia) June 12, 2017

Bio-Digital Jezza (kingfish), Monday, 12 June 2017 16:09 (one month ago) Permalink

Entered the fray and one of these Notch-saving dickheels quoted Latin at me and then accused me of ad hominem because I said they were pathetic, and that his sympathy for Quinn ended when she "monetised" her abuse.

The only comfort is they will never multiply. The genepool ends here.

Who's puttin' sponge in the zings I once zung (stevie), Monday, 12 June 2017 18:52 (one month ago) Permalink

lol @ "monetised her abuse", like that 1. isn't total horseshit as a concept and 2. would even be a problem otherwise. the biggest mystery to me is the mindset of these ppl whose constant resort to bullshit and desperate stuff like this doesn't weaken their faith in the cause

Roberto Spiralli, Monday, 12 June 2017 19:29 (one month ago) Permalink

the bullshit IS the cause, why would it weaken anything?

a butt groove but for feet (DJP), Monday, 12 June 2017 19:30 (one month ago) Permalink

they are feebs. that is why their faith isn't weakened. they are literal wastemen.

Who's puttin' sponge in the zings I once zung (stevie), Monday, 12 June 2017 19:43 (one month ago) Permalink

they are genuinely stupid people who think they are clever because they are good at videogames and because they are unpopular in the real world.

Who's puttin' sponge in the zings I once zung (stevie), Monday, 12 June 2017 19:44 (one month ago) Permalink

are you...ilx subtweeting me?

Roberto Spiralli, Monday, 12 June 2017 20:06 (one month ago) Permalink

haha no!

Who's puttin' sponge in the zings I once zung (stevie), Monday, 12 June 2017 21:13 (one month ago) Permalink

it is possible to be all those things and not be an asshole imo

Who's puttin' sponge in the zings I once zung (stevie), Monday, 12 June 2017 21:13 (one month ago) Permalink

that's unfair, there are plenty of popular, successful people having children who are horrible people

AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Monday, 12 June 2017 21:14 (one month ago) Permalink

two weeks pass...

Nothing particularly new here, but it's good that Polygon continues to call this stuff out, and Sarkeesian is OTM as usual

https://www.polygon.com/features/2017/6/27/15880582/anita-sarkeesian-garbage-human-vidcon-interview

André Ryu (Neil S), Wednesday, 28 June 2017 12:42 (four weeks ago) Permalink

It's very depressing to look back on the original question and realize the answer is "It isn't; racism and sexism is just as acceptable in all of our media, videogame people are just louder about it."

a butt groove but for feet (DJP), Wednesday, 28 June 2017 13:36 (four weeks ago) Permalink

agreed

André Ryu (Neil S), Wednesday, 28 June 2017 13:37 (four weeks ago) Permalink

I like that their arguments against what she's said still amount to "nuh uh, she's wrong. and she was mean to me!"

mh, Wednesday, 28 June 2017 13:40 (four weeks ago) Permalink

Carl Benjamin is a British YouTube personality in his late 30s. He has spoken vituperatively, many times over many years, about Sarkeesian and her work. Some of his videos are thumbnailed with ludicrously Photoshopped imagery of Sarkeesian. At the time of writing, his Twitter page is bannered with a picture of Sarkeesian.

Good god these cretins.

Treeship, Wednesday, 28 June 2017 13:42 (four weeks ago) Permalink

Benjamin is an atheist.[19] He self-identifies politically as centre-left and a classical liberal.[4][20] He has opposed movements that purport to defeat online misogyny, such as the British group 'Reclaim the Internet', which he called "social communism".[3][21]

Benjamin has said that the working class could be harmed by immigration and neo-liberal policies from both the left and right. Benjamin was a vocal supporter of Brexit[22] and described Donald Trump as the "lesser of two evils" compared to Hillary Clinton. Prior to the primary election of Clinton as the United States Democratic Party candidate, Benjamin stated he would have preferred Bernie Sanders over Clinton or Trump.[23] Along with Trump, Benjamin has endorsed other right wing politicians such as Marine Le Pen.[24]

Fuck this chode. He should self-identify as a chode.

Shanty Brunch (stevie), Wednesday, 28 June 2017 14:10 (four weeks ago) Permalink

I feel like the idea these dudes have no natural positions and just claim the opposite position of whatever their targets believe is a little overblown, but imo it's more true than false

the people individually targeting Sarkeesian like this dude really seem like the kids on a playground who run up and punch a girl on the arm because they want attention, but have no idea why or how to do so positively

mh, Wednesday, 28 June 2017 14:14 (four weeks ago) Permalink

perhaps the most depressing part is where it turns out he makes $60K/year doing this.

﴿→ ☺ (Doctor Casino), Wednesday, 28 June 2017 14:16 (four weeks ago) Permalink

oh god, the article didn't mention his idiotic online handle (thankfully) and I realized who he is

yeah this guy is not very bright

mh, Wednesday, 28 June 2017 14:21 (four weeks ago) Permalink

Yeah me too - I am surprised he stayed anonymous so long when clearly he wants to be admired - presumably

Andrew Farrell, Wednesday, 28 June 2017 19:27 (four weeks ago) Permalink

bah - presumably he waited until he could summon legions on anyone who bothered him in real life.

Andrew Farrell, Wednesday, 28 June 2017 19:29 (four weeks ago) Permalink

the fact that two of these moldy diaper versions of human beings make 8k a fucking month via patreon to keep doing this crap makes me sick

officer sonny bonds, lytton pd (mayor jingleberries), Wednesday, 28 June 2017 20:54 (four weeks ago) Permalink

the phrase is "diaper drinkers" TM whiney

Chocolate-covered gummy bears? Not ruling those lil' guys out. (ulysses), Wednesday, 28 June 2017 22:52 (four weeks ago) Permalink

I think I heard it from j4son from Alternative Press originally

Sutcliffe Juugin' (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 29 June 2017 00:38 (four weeks ago) Permalink


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