Smashing Pumpkins: Fresh Fruit or Rotten Veg?

I'd listen to the nu-Pumpkins if they sounded like Tear Garden.

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I've heard many reports that this thing is actually really good and their best since Adore. Which, y'know, very low bar, but its enough to have me interested again.

It *sounds* great, better than they have in a while, but the songs aren't very striking.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jelyGb0luj8

Possibly my favourite Simpsons line ever.

Did this story get posted somewhere already?
http://www.factmag.com/2012/06/12/slashing-pumpkins-billy-corgan-threatens-to-piss-on-radiohead/

” I can’t think of any people outside of Weird Al Yankovic who have both embraced and pissed on Rock more than I have. Obviously there’s a level of reverence, but there’s also a level of intelligence to even know what to piss on. ‘Cause I’m not pissing on Rainbow. I’m not pissing on Deep Purple. But I’ll piss on fuckin’ Radiohead, because of all this pomposity. This value system that says Jonny Greenwood is more valuable than Ritchie Blackmore. Not in the world I grew up in, buddy. Not in the world I grew up in"

Billy Corgan otm, at least wrt to Greenwood and Blackmore.

Billy Corgan, enemy of pomposity.

yeah I am having problems wrapping my head around that

Yeah, that part is pretty o_O but when have we ever expected this fuckin' guy to have a decent impression of his own worth.

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http://www.factmag.com/2012/06/12/slashing-pumpkins-billy-corgan-argues-with-entity-that-is-not-arguing-back-calls-nonlistening-entity-buddy/

"Not in the world I grew up in, buddy. Not in the world I grew up in"

gonna guess that the recording of this has Corgan's voice getting progressively more distant and is immediately followed by the sound of a pub's lavatory door closing

I don't even know why he is comparing the two bands. Did he buy In Rainbows expecting a cover version of I Surrender?

LoL this thread is hilarious. This band is hilarious.

Last time i saw Smashing Pumpkins they were playing on the TV at some bar, and in-between some songs a bunch of wrestlers came out on stage to 'stop the show' and the Pumpkins had to fight back or something. This lame skit lasted maybe 5 mins or so and then the wrestlers left the stage and they went back into playing more music.

Also is that the album cover? It looks like it was randomly generated by myspace or something.

Does Billy Corgan not realise that if Jonny Greenwood ducks and he accidentally pees on Phil Selway instead, he'll have to endure years of Splashing Drumskins taunts?

xxp: I feel like this is Corgan's game though, right? playing the heel?

Look, if Corgan does actually piss on Radiohead (and let's hope that this will happen), I will pay good cash money on "Oceania". Not that I'd play it or anything.

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And then we have

http://www.popmatters.com/pm/column/159706-in-defense-of-billy-corgans-foray-into-professional-wrestling/

http://images.popmatters.com/news_art/m/mcguire-corganwrestling-splsh.jpg

(The picture is worth more than the article, which appears to have been written by a mummy.)

1) Weird Al >>>>> Billy Corgan
2) Maybe he was confusing In Rainbows and Rainbow? Corgan was all, huh, I thought Blackmore was in Rainbow, but this doesn't sound like him at all. And then he felt really foolish so lashed out.

Mayonnaise is probably the best Smashing Pumpkins song.

Mayonnaise is probably the best Smashing Pumpkins song.

in what world are Deep Purple and Rainbow NOT pompous

I mean, I agree with him that Blackmore is way more interesting/better than Johnny Greenwood but uh

Those wrestling medals/belts look weirdly like customised party cakes

I don't even know why he is comparing the two bands. Did he buy In Rainbows expecting a cover version of I Surrender?

― Zaireeka Badu (NickB), Tuesday, 12 June 2012 11:32

awesome.

i get what he's saying, but there are a lot more effective ways to voice your displeasure with guitar rock falling out of fashion. it's not a question of whether greenwood is better than blackmore, because no one listens to radiohead for the riffs.

the new album is actually pretty ok

Billy Corgan, enemy of pomposity.

That's what's making me laugh about this. And say what you like about Radiohead but I don't think they take themselves even half as seriously as Corgan.

Radiohead were a good riff band, around the same time Smashing Pumpkins was a good riff band. actually, they both started focusing on synths and drum machines around the same time shortly afterward too.

i wish i knew computer shit better so i could make a mash-up album "In Rainbow"

Reissues reissues reissues. Next up next week, Pisces Iscariot:

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‘PISCES ISCARIOT’:

Deluxe Physical Album Contents:
– Original Album Remastered & Reissued For The First Time
– 17 Previously Unreleased or Alternate Versions of Pisces Era Songs
– 24 Previously Unreleased Live Performances (Pulse Basement Jam, 1988) (DVD logo)
– First Ever SP Demo Reproduced on Cassette
– Postcards, Watercolor Illustrations, Lyrics, Photos
– Liner Notes by David Wild and Track-by-Track Annotations by Billy Corgan

Deluxe Digital Contents:
– Original Album Remastered
– 17 Previously Unreleased or Alternate Versions of Pisces Era Songs

Standard Physical, Digital and 180G Vinyl
– Original Album Remastered & Reissued For The First Time
– Includes: Starla, Landslide & La Dolly Vita

TRACKLISTS:
[CD 1] (Deluxe Physical/Digital, Standard Physical/Digital, Vinyl)

1. Soothe
2. Frail And Bedazzled
3. Plume
4. Whir
5. Blew Away
6. Pissant
7. Hello Kitty Kat
8. Obscured
9. Landslide
10. Starla
11. Blue
12. Girl Named Sandoz
13. La Dolly Vita
14. Spaced

[CD 2] (Deluxe Physical/Digital only)

1. By June (Ignoffo Sessions/2012 mix)
2. My Dahlia (Ignoffo Sessions/2012 Mix)
3. Jesus Loves His Babies (Gish Sessions rough mix)
4. Cinnamon Girl (Ignoffo Sessions/2012 Mix)
5. Glynis (2012 Mix)
6. Crawl (Gish Sessions outtake)
7. Cinder Open (Eddy St. demo/2012 mix)
8. Blissed (Sadlands demo/2012 Mix)
9. Slunk (Live)
10. Jackie Blue
11. Venus In Furs (Live)
12. Translucent (Sadlands demo/2012 mix)
13. French Movie Theme (Siamese Sessions outtake)
14. Purr Snickety (Gish b-sides session outtake)
15. There It Goes (demo/2012 mix)
16. Vanilla (Ignoffo Sessions)
17. Why Am I So Tired (Live in studio demo)

[DVD ] (Deluxe Physical Only)

Pulse Basement Jam ( 11/19/1988 - Pulse Cable Access - Lou Hinkhouse)

Introduction by Lou Hinkhouse

1. There It Goes
2. She (Inc.)
3. She
4. Under Your Spell
5. My Eternity (Inc.)
6. My Eternity (Inc.)
7. My Eternity (Inc.)
8. My Eternity
9. Bleed
10. Nothing and Everything
11. Jennifer Ever (Inc.)
12. Jennifer Ever (Inc.)
13. Jennifer Ever (Inc.)
14. Jennifer Ever (Inc.)
15. Jennifer Ever
16. Death of a Mind
17. Spiteface

Bonus Performaces
1. Blue (10/22/1991 - Atomic Records - Milwaukee, WI)
2. Offer Up (6/9/1992 - The Unicorn - Milwaukee, WI)
3. The Joker (6/10/1992 - The Unicorn - Milwaukee, WI)
4. Slunk (6/10/1992 - The Unicorn - Milwaukee, WI)
5. Dancing in the Moonlight (7/4/1993 - Raymond Revue Bar - London, UK)
6. Snap (8/11/1989 - Avalon - Chicago, IL)
7. Hello Kitty Kat (8/21/1994 - Starplex Amphitheater - Dallas, TX - 2nd stage
Lollapalooza performance)

DEMO CASSETTE (Deluxe Physical Only)

SIDE A
1. Jennifer Ever
2. East
3. Nothing And Everything

SIDE B
1. Sun (remix)
2. She (live)
3. Spiteface

rad!

Very excited for that one!

Also, the new album is not terrible and arguably their best since Adore.

Kind of annoyed that "Jennifer Ever" is only going to get relegated to a cassette though. Even for low-level SP B-sides that one never gets much love and I've always liked it.

Oceania is aight. they finally released a single off it and made the really odd choice of "The Celestials."

Pisces Iscariot is so dope, one of the most album-y and cohesive rarities comps ever

otm

it weirds me out that now i can't find any evidence of "Frail And Bedazzled" ever charting or even having a single release but i def heard it on the radio a lot before "Landslide" became the big hit off that record

New album is the best thing Corgan has been involved with in probably the last 12 years or so.

imo "G.L.O.W" and "That's The Way My Love Is" and a couple Zwan songs slay anything on this

for all the cr*p etc that surrounds billy, i really like the zwan album.

They were pretty fun live, saw their second-ever show. Was kinda unusual to see him actually laughing and having a good time for a whole set.

Zwan live was much, much better than they ended up being on record, though I liked a handful of songs off of it. I'm really happy with Oceania though, because it restores a tiny shread of faith in Corgan (though even that is slowly being eroded every time he does an interview).

I remember "Frail and Bedazzled" being played on the radio too but, being from Chicago, we'd get a lot of non-single SP stuff played on the radio and it was hard for me to tell if it was any sort of official release.

He has seemed quite chirpy and personable the last couple of times I've seen the Pumpkins here in Glasgow (circa 1 year and 4 years ago).

Not big on Oceania yet, but keen on the Pisces Iscariot reissue; I think of that as absolute prime era.

The reissue looks to be as close as we'll get to seeing Mashed Potatoes get a formal release, though even then it's just a grouping of selections from it, and in some cases alternate takes. ("Cinnamon Girl" is only known from a live-on-radio performance, which is where I'm assuming "Venus in Furs" comes from here.)

The demo cassette is exactly that, a bright red cassette in a faux photocopied cardboard cassingle slip, kinda redundant, and the old-timey postcards are totally pointless. But I'm looking forward getting into the extra tracks and DVD.

And here we go...

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MELLON COLLIE AND THE INFINITE SADNESS

DELUXE BOX SET:

– 5CD +DVD

– Physical Tracks: 106, Digital Tracks: 92

– Original album remastered for the first time

– 64 bonus tracks of previously unreleased material or alternate versions of Mellon Collie era songs

– DVD featuring live show filmed at the Brixton Academy, London (1996) and bonus performances from Rockpalast (1996)

– Housed in a 12 x 12 lift-top box with magnetic closure, reimagined cover art and velvet-lined disc holder

– 2 books containing personal notes, lyrics, new collage artwork plus a Decoupage kit for creating your own scenes from the Mellon Collie universe.

VINYL

– 4LP (180gram), Original album remastered for first time, 28 tracks

– Remastered vinyl features the original record spread out over 8 sides (4 LPS) for the first time to ensure the optimum sound

– MCIS never before released on vinyl in the US (original vinyl previously released in the UK)

– Housed in 12x12 rigid slipcase with 2 books containing personal notes, new collage artwork, lyrics and more.

2CD

- Original double album remastered for the first time

- Physical and Digital Tracks: 28

TRACKLISTS

Mellon Collie and the Infinite Sadness

Dawn To Dusk (CD1)

1. Mellon Collie And The Infinite Sadness

2. Tonight, Tonight

3. Jellybelly

4. Zero

5. Here Is No Why

6. Bullet With Butterfly Wings

7. To Forgive

8. An Ode To No One

9. Love

10. Cupid De Locke

11. Galapogos

12. Muzzle

13. Porcelina Of The Vast Oceans

14. Take Me Down

Twilight To Starlight (CD2)

1. Where Boys Fear To Tread

2. Bodies

3. Thirty-Three

4. In The Arms Of Sleep

5. 1979

6. Tales Of A Scorched Earth

7. Thru The Eyes Of Ruby

8. Stumbleine

9. X.Y.U.

10. We Only Come Out At Night

11. Beautiful

12. Lily (My One And Only)

13. By Starlight

14. Farewell And Goodnight

Morning Tea (CD3)

1. Tonight, Tonight (Strings Alone mix)

2. Methusela (Sadlands demo)

3. X.Y.U. (Take 11)

4. Zero (Synth mix)

5. Feelium (Sadlands demo)

6. Autumn Nocturne (Sadlands demo)

7. Beautiful (Loop version)

8. Ugly (Sadlands demo)

9. Ascending Guitars (Sadlands demo)

10. By Starlight (Flood rough)

11. Medellia Of The Gray Skies (Take 1)

12. Lover (Arrangement 1 demo)

13. Thru The Eyes Of Ruby (Take 7)

14. In The Arms Of Sleep (Early Live demo)

15. Lily (My One And Only) (Sadlands demo)

16. 1979 (Sadlands demo)

17. Glamey Glamey (Sadlands demo)

18. Meladori Magpie

19. Mellon Collie And The Infinite Sadness (Home Piano version)

20. Galapagos (Instrumental/Sadlands demo)

21. To Forgive (Sadlands demo)

High Tea (CD4)

1. Bullet With Butterfly Wings (Sadlands demo)

2. Set The Ray To Jerry (Vocal Rough)

3. Thirty-Three (Sadlands demo)

4. Cupid De Locke (BT 2012 mix)

5. Porcelina Of The Vast Oceans (Live Studio rough)

6. Jellybelly (Instrumental/Pit mix 3)

7. The Aeroplane Flies High (Turns Left, Looks Right)

8. Jupiter’s Lament (Barbershop version)

9. Bagpipes Drone (Sadlands demo)

10. Tonight, Tonight (Band Version Only, No Strings)

11. Knuckles (Studio outtake)

12. Pennies

13. Here Is No Why (Pumpkinland demo)

14. Blast (Fuzz version)

15. Towers Of Rabble (Live)

16. Rotten Apples

17. Fun Time (Sadlands demo)

18. Thru The Eyes Of Ruby (Acoustic version)

19. Chinoise (Sadlands demo)

20. Speed

Special Tea (CD 5)

1. Mellon Collie And The Infinite Sadness (Nighttime version 1)

2. Galapagos (Sadlands demo)

3. Cherry (BT 2012 mix)

4. Love (Flood rough)

5. New Waver (Sadlands demo)

6. Fuck You (an ode to no one) (Production Master rough)

7. Isolation (BT 2012 mix)

8. Transformer (Early mix)

9. Dizzle (Sadlands demo)

10. Goodnight (Basic Vocal rough)

11. Eye (Soundworks demo)

12. Blank (Sadlands demo)

13. Beautiful (Instrumental-Middle 8)

14. My Blue Heaven (BT 2012 mix)

15. One And Two

16. Zoom (7 ips)

17. Pastichio Medley (Reversed extras)

18. Marquis In Spades (BT 2012 mix)

19. Tales Of A Scorched Earth (Guitar Overdub mix)

20. Tonite Reprise (Version 1)

21. Wishing You Were Real (Home demo)

22. Thru The Eyes Of Ruby (Pit mix 3)

23. Phang (Sadlands demo)

DVD

Live at Brixton academy, London, 5/15/96

1. Tonight, Tonight

2. 1979

3. Zero

4. Here Is No Why

5. Thru the Eyes of Ruby

6. Porcelina of the Vast Oceans

7. Jellybelly

8. Silverfuck

9. Disarm

10. Bullet with Butterfly Wings

Live at Rockpalast, 4/7/96

11. Fuck You (An Ode To No One)

12. Muzzle

13. Cherub Rock

14. X.Y.U.