WHAT A DRAG IT IS GETTING POLLED – ILM Artist Poll #16 – The Rolling Stones (Extended deadline: April 1st)

Child of the Moon is another revelation to me...it would have made such a better album closer than Salt of the Earth, which is such a dud

Salt of the Earth is a wonderfully insincere closer, just what the album needs. If anything's wrong with it it's that it's too obvious in making things explicit.

It didn't feel insincere when they played it at the Concert for 9/11 or whatever...is it really tongue in cheek? sorry to sound naive!

Salt of the Earth is the fucking great.

(no the)

never heard "salt of the earth" as ironic.

Child of the Moon is another revelation to me

yes! love it so much & felt like i was the only one.

...but i guess i'm wrong abt "salt". i dunno if it's precisely insincere, but it's definitely quite cynical.

we love you is insincere

no irony...and it's got nothing to do with Jagger changing one key verse (guess which...?)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ZGPcRyyvc0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ELoTflLRskQ

If you hear Salt of the Earth as insincere then to me it just means your jadedness is maybe getting out of hand, idk

in fact it sounds so strange

but that jaded faded junkie nurse, oh what pleasant company!

"salt of the earth" both is and is not insincere, and that's where it gets its power imo. it takes a lot of positions all at once, both occupying and eviscerating the "let them eat cake" position while also expressing both compassion and contempt for the masses. if it helps, bear in mind that e.g. many tea partiers are salt-of-the-earth types.

I think that's right, & that you can hear the Jagger / Keef songwriting dynamic at work in that (though I should read up to see if that's right)

OK, I can hear that, the both positions at once, but I still hate it!

"salt of the earth" both is and is not insincere, and that's where it gets its power imo. it takes a lot of positions all at once, both occupying and eviscerating the "let them eat cake" position while also expressing both compassion and contempt for the masses.

Yes. I'd argue that this has been Jagger's power from the beginning.

before Bowie and Ferry he was the first to conflate notions of "irony" and "sincerity"

I'll take that, roger

we love you is insincere

― Iago Galdston, Sunday, March 25, 2012 6:40 PM (23 minutes ago) Bookmark

maybe, but it is great and it is on my first draft of 20.

we love you is insincere
― Iago Galdston, Sunday, March 25, 2012 6:40 PM (23 minutes ago) Bookmark

maybe, but it is great and it is on my first draft of 20.
― Flat Of NAGLs (sleeve), Sunday, March 25, 2012 10:06 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I meant that as a compliment! It's one of the great FU songs, and is in my top 20 too

still working through my own ballot, somewhat surprised. going in i would have expected to rate "rocks off" over "tumbling dice" but it's not workin' out that way. and was certain that "let it loose," which I love dearly, would rate over "shine a light." still will i think but dear lord the leadwork in "shine a light" is really something else.

oic (xp)

I'm up to Beggar's Banquet now

"we love you" is almost certainly getting one of my satanic majesties-era slots. 9 year old me would go for "dandelion" or "she's a rainbow" or "2000 man" for the opening lick alone but damn. for your consideration:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e6D3jE4A24o

2000 Man is fab, 2nd best on the album after the mighty Citadel

both likely gonna be on mine

Vegas has installed Gimme Shelter as the favorite, at 5 to 1.

"salt of the earth" both is and is not insincere, and that's where it gets its power imo. it takes a lot of positions all at once, both occupying and eviscerating the "let them eat cake" position while also expressing both compassion and contempt for the masses. if it helps, bear in mind that e.g. many tea partiers are salt-of-the-earth types.

― all yoga attacks are fire based (rogermexico.), Sunday, March 25, 2012 6:56 PM (58 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

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before Bowie and Ferry he was the first to conflate notions of "irony" and "sincerity"

― Exile in lolville (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, March 25, 2012 7:05 PM (49 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

yeah, this read makes the most sense to me, because it doesn't come across anywhere near so black-hearted as it would if you figured the whole thing was a pisstake, but that "when i look into the faceless crowd" refrain does put a big kink in the apparent sincerity of the rest. like the compassion (or attempted compassion) is in earnest, but mick can't help admitting that he's looking down from above. i like the honesty of this.

dagmn, "we love you" is so fucking great! killed me to cut it, but i did. agree that it's one of their very best SM-era tracks. like "child of the moon", it's probably gonna get screwed due to not appearing on any of the studio albums or hot rocks.

also:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U6o2ZpHZWos

cut down to 25. have somehow managed to let "saint of me" hang around despite having already jettisoned "paint it, black." am i a disgusting savage y/n?

ps worth noting that keef does not appear on "saint of me" but me'shell ndegéocello does.

would probably vote for "love is strong" as well tbh if it weren't always bookended for me with "wicked as it seems"

TS: waddy wachtel's guitar vs mick jagger's harp

I can't, and couldn't, get down with Saint of Me

I dunno why, it just doesn't do it for me

me neither

riff rules, charlie rules, middle eight is balls

again, for your consideration:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h2h3TlHcLY0

"we love you" is almost certainly getting one of my satanic majesties-era slots. 9 year old me would go for "dandelion" or "she's a rainbow" or "2000 man" for the opening lick alone but damn.

It made my ballot easily. Love the piano riff, and especially love Jagger's angry vocal (and Charlie's angry drums) on the middle eight.

Everyone needs to vote for You Got The Silver!!!!!!

...so that I don't flagellate myself for having to cut it.

yeah, no, sorry roger - it's not even on my short list [ducks out]

there is too much stones, too much stones, yeah

[ducks out again]

I don't see how it's possible to have anything on this poll from after 1972.

I will have at least one track from 1973. Alfred will have no tracks before 1973.

ha!

I didn't think about timeline when I was working on my ballot (promise!), just looked at it afterwards and realized that the cutoff year was surprisingly early. Felt a little guilty, not guilty enough to make changes (yet).

My latest is 1978

I just couldn't can't do anything later, and I did try to devote a little bit of listening time to the later catalog stuff.

I was pretty conscious of the timeline, but still had a hard time coming up with something after 1973. "Shattered" and "One Hit" were late cuts, though.

i'm trying to fit in some guilty pleasure later singles. i think having only 20 spots on ballots makes the poll results consolidate more firmly on the peak period of long-running artists, though, for better or worse (for worse imo).

The whole "Some Girls" album is a huge weakness of mine, I had 2 picks off that album, very nearly 3.

I love "Waiting on a Friend" as much as any sixties ballad.