Abel Ferrara - C/D

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Biggie Smalls liked it well enough.

kurwa mać (Polish for "long life") (Eisbaer), Sunday, 25 March 2012 16:14 (twelve years ago) link

yes, Generations Y & Z look to dead gangsta rappers as the vanguard of film culture.

Literal Facepalms (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 25 March 2012 16:23 (twelve years ago) link

isn't there a Larry Semon Film Festival for you to attend, or something?!?

kurwa mać (Polish for "long life") (Eisbaer), Sunday, 25 March 2012 16:25 (twelve years ago) link

I have my quota of semen for the week

Literal Facepalms (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 25 March 2012 16:41 (twelve years ago) link

http://www.charlierose.com/view/interview/12250

hes got some miles on his for being 60

interesting they touch on a project w/ dafoe playing pasolini

cant imagine this 4:44 movie is good tho

johnny crunch, Sunday, 25 March 2012 17:31 (twelve years ago) link

the thing about KONY (whoa, makes you think) is not that it's not good but it's got this brutal momentum w/everyone in the film casting everything aside and trying to kill each other w/o regard for anything else and the actors kinda throw themselves into it really well imo and i love the OTTness and how everyone seems to be doing their own version of how to approach the material w/o much guidance. walken owns here, caruso is pretty exceptional, snipes and fishburne are great, victor argo is really good (as probably the only "decent" person in the entire film.) all of ferrara's films have this kind of energy, but i think this distills everything down to the basics nicely.

the graveyard scene is pretty tremendous, you think the film is going to take it from there in one direction but then walken shows up as if anticipating it and just finishes it there. not quite as awesome as the shotgun to the face at the end of 'to live and die in l.a.' but pretty dope regardless.

omar little, Sunday, 25 March 2012 17:43 (twelve years ago) link

I really appreciate that you caught the levels of "owning," "great," "pretty exceptional," "pretty dope," "really good" ... the kind of discernment I expect from the minds of Cahiers du ILX.

done with film threads now I think, cept for the Snob ones

Literal Facepalms (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 25 March 2012 18:57 (twelve years ago) link

jesus spoilers for TL&DILA tho

less of the same (darraghmac), Sunday, 25 March 2012 18:58 (twelve years ago) link

SPOILER ALERT xxpost

omar little, Sunday, 25 March 2012 19:02 (twelve years ago) link

morbs i really hope you don't keep that promise, you would be sorely missed.

omar little, Sunday, 25 March 2012 19:11 (twelve years ago) link

by me especially

omar little, Sunday, 25 March 2012 19:11 (twelve years ago) link

if i had a dollar for every time morbz stormed out of a thread (or type of thread) in a self-righteous huff, only to reappear to later to kvetch some more, i'd be in the 1% with enough to donate to another random ILXor to put him in the 1% as well.

kurwa mać (Polish for "long life") (Eisbaer), Sunday, 25 March 2012 20:01 (twelve years ago) link

EXCEPT I'VE NEVER BEEN OLDER and felt more like this board is a hueg waste of time.

Literal Facepalms (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 25 March 2012 20:24 (twelve years ago) link

quod erat demonstratum

kurwa mać (Polish for "long life") (Eisbaer), Sunday, 25 March 2012 20:33 (twelve years ago) link

how do you storm out of a thread?

Bo Jackson Overdrive, Sunday, 25 March 2012 21:58 (twelve years ago) link

After reading that essay above I am still unconvinced that KONY has anything to say.

Incidentally I just leared who Joseph Kony is today.

calstars, Monday, 26 March 2012 00:16 (twelve years ago) link

Her bad things about 4:44, except from those that think its amazing.

I'd like to see it, even if I've never been fully convinced of Abel Ferrara's talents.

stay in school if you want to kiw (Gukbe), Monday, 26 March 2012 00:18 (twelve years ago) link

one year passes...

35mm print in NYC Monday

http://www.ifccenter.com/films/ms-45/

Pope Rusty I (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 5 May 2013 00:37 (ten years ago) link

oh sweet. obvs i can't see it but still.

i enjoyed his mulberry st doc.

flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Sunday, 5 May 2013 00:42 (ten years ago) link

one year passes...

his Depardieu film, taking off from the Dominique Strauss-Kahn case.

http://www.fandor.com/keyframe/daily-abel-ferraras-welcome-to-new-york

images of war violence and historical smoking (Dr Morbius), Monday, 12 May 2014 19:09 (nine years ago) link

one month passes...

it's amazing how ppl have talked themselves into thinking jokey sleaze like Ms. 45 is "great"

son of a lewd monk (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 21 June 2014 17:00 (nine years ago) link

which part disqualifies it, the jokiness or the sleaze?

Kevin from Blechgium (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 21 June 2014 17:06 (nine years ago) link

Is Deparnude coming to the U.S.?

heavy on their trademark ballads (Eazy), Saturday, 21 June 2014 17:26 (nine years ago) link

it's definitely something, no? it's a mess, and he definitely hasn't developed his talents much yet (not unlike some of cronenberg's earliest stuff in that regard), but i do think it makes an impact that other films don't. the "knowingness" of it isn't very endearing.

i think he's talented and i like a lot of his films (and TV episodes!) but the way that e.g. the french appreciate him gives me pause. that is, as some kind of atavistic modern primitive who represents the soul of urban america or what have you.

I dunno. (amateurist), Saturday, 21 June 2014 23:00 (nine years ago) link

As someone who's interviewed Ferrara in person (and likes a lot of his movies—seeing Bad Lieutenant at the Angelika when it was brand new, especially coming in the wake of the comparatively ultra-slick King of New York, was like being punched in the face), I gotta say his public image is exactly that. This Nick Pinkerton column from 2013 kinda sums up how I feel, particularly this bit:

Ferrara’s concern with the relationship between surface and subterranean truths is nothing new. In fact, the director’s greatest creation is a character called “Abel Ferrara,” a shambling, grizzled, reckless, perpetually drugged-up walking staph infection who just happens to have lined up financing for and successfully completed the shooting of twenty-some films since 1976—hardly a likely accomplishment if this persona was the whole truth and nothing but, though Ferrara is careful not to let the mask slip before his public.

Humorist (horse) (誤訳侮辱), Sunday, 22 June 2014 00:26 (nine years ago) link

he isn't the first director to have a persona that's kind of belied by his films.... i just watched the john milius documentary and the guy comes across as a fabulist and self-mythologizer and asshole. it's hard to take his persona at all seriously. for example, the first thing he says in the film is that he isn't a "pure cinema" guy, that he doesn't care about images, that he just wants to tell a story. which may be true but it doesn't explain the best qualities of his films by a long shot.

I dunno. (amateurist), Sunday, 22 June 2014 02:25 (nine years ago) link

I still was not prepared for Ms 45 being a campfest, that's all.

son of a lewd monk (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 22 June 2014 06:13 (nine years ago) link

two months pass...

Look at what we have here:

http://www.theguardian.com/film/2014/sep/04/pasolini-review-abel-ferrara-willem-dafoe-venice-film

xyzzzz__, Thursday, 4 September 2014 14:57 (nine years ago) link

got a NYFF ticket for it just now

son of a lewd monk (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 4 September 2014 16:56 (nine years ago) link

looking forward to this one, although i worry a little about the "last days" vampirish approach to the biopic (last 24 hrs etc.)

pretty much none of his films have played my little town for over a decade, so this is another i'll probably have to see on DVD

ferrara is one of those dudes who took a while to earn the accolades (or just the scandal) he achieved pretty early (esp from the french)

I dunno. (amateurist), Thursday, 4 September 2014 18:36 (nine years ago) link

Morbz look forward to anything you say on this.

Be of some interest to see how much space he gives to the various conspiracies surrounding his death and all.

xyzzzz__, Thursday, 4 September 2014 19:52 (nine years ago) link

i kinda don't see him being especially concerned w/ that, and i think interviews suggest same

son of a lewd monk (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 4 September 2014 19:56 (nine years ago) link

ah got it, frankly I wondered if the Xan Brooks piece might've said anything but I despise him so didn't make it beyond the headlines.

xyzzzz__, Thursday, 4 September 2014 20:00 (nine years ago) link

did you guys like the last days on earth one?

I dunno. (amateurist), Thursday, 4 September 2014 21:04 (nine years ago) link

not seen anything since Go Go Tales (and before that -- Mary? i think i saw and disliked?)

son of a lewd monk (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 4 September 2014 21:10 (nine years ago) link

mary was pretty terrible

i roundly enjoyed the mulberry street doc, he's a born actor really

I dunno. (amateurist), Thursday, 4 September 2014 21:12 (nine years ago) link

got tickets to the thursday screening of pasolini. now the question is, to what ferrara films should i subject my sensitive and empathetic wife in preparation?

adam, Tuesday, 9 September 2014 13:24 (nine years ago) link

How about Accatone? Was just in Rome and hanging out at Bar Necci, which is now somewhat of a shrine.

I thought Last Days on Earth was terrible.

I will be at Thursday screening too if you want to meet, Adam. Are you there Thurs as well, Dr. M.?

Virginia Plain, Tuesday, 9 September 2014 17:24 (nine years ago) link

he wants Ferrara films, not Pasolini films.

Thurs 10/2, yes

son of a lewd monk (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 9 September 2014 17:28 (nine years ago) link

Well, I cant suggest any of those.

Let's all meet for a post-show cocktail.

Virginia Plain, Tuesday, 9 September 2014 17:42 (nine years ago) link

i'm down.

king of new york is the "safest" ferrara i can think of but i haven't seen the more recent films. keep in mind this is a young lady thought the herzog bad lieutenant was too brutal.

adam, Tuesday, 9 September 2014 18:06 (nine years ago) link

obv the OG for her, then. She knows Pasolini meets an unhappy end, yes?

(VP, u know that BASEBALL PLAYOFFS will be running all days & nights that week)

son of a lewd monk (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 9 September 2014 18:11 (nine years ago) link

don't shoot any car radios!

LIKE If you are against racism (omar little), Tuesday, 9 September 2014 18:38 (nine years ago) link

omg did u just spoil the end of pasolini

adam, Tuesday, 9 September 2014 19:24 (nine years ago) link

i'm trying to toughen her up anyway, it's a cold world

adam, Tuesday, 9 September 2014 19:26 (nine years ago) link

Go Go Tales is pretty innocuous Ferrara, it's Runyonesque.

son of a lewd monk (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 9 September 2014 19:28 (nine years ago) link

In that case, let's have a beer at a sports bar of your choosing, Dr. M.

Virginia Plain, Tuesday, 9 September 2014 20:47 (nine years ago) link

three weeks pass...

new rose hotel is kinda awesome.

adam, Thursday, 2 October 2014 18:04 (nine years ago) link

Pleasantly surprised by Pasolini... many touches of the poetic, solid portrayal of a man of ideas by Dafoe. It doesn't all work, but Ninetto Davoli is instantly recognizable as a lead character in PPP's unmade film, same elfin face and presence. Of the ten films I've seen by Ferrara, only the third I've liked a lot.

Ferrara was pretty funny and direct in the Q&A, gently mocking Amy Taubin for speechifying and getting into it with a guy who wanted a more politicized slant on the murder.

son of a lewd monk (Dr Morbius), Friday, 3 October 2014 14:41 (nine years ago) link

"Lookit his hair. That's the star of this film."

... (Eazy), Tuesday, 14 September 2021 16:58 (two years ago) link

Not to stray from that ^^, but didn't realize he'd made another movie with Dafoe, following last year's Tommaso:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4KKuxA4sPDk

... (Eazy), Tuesday, 14 September 2021 17:14 (two years ago) link

Shit, according to Wikipedia, he's made six movies with Dafoe.

but also fuck you (unperson), Tuesday, 14 September 2021 17:24 (two years ago) link

I posted the Driller Killer commentary video on the old horror thread and it's funny too

Robert Adam Gilmour, Tuesday, 14 September 2021 18:12 (two years ago) link

three months pass...

He did a documentary called Napoli Napoli Napoli which I saw in Porto at, like, the only edition of some weird film festival. I remember little of it, except a scene where Ferrara puts on a show in a female prison and there's all these middle aged ladies from Naples looking bemused as he goes through a punk rock cover of "King Of New York".

― Daniel_Rf, Sunday, July 16, 2017 6:34 AM (four years ago) bookmarkflaglink

heres that scene btw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B2GeLEhfUqo

johnny crunch, Monday, 27 December 2021 03:09 (two years ago) link

Was rewatching some Entourage as a pandemic balm, and there’s a great moment when a Herzog-type director has been fired from a major film and Johnny Drama says he could call up Abel Ferrara.

... (Eazy), Monday, 27 December 2021 03:22 (two years ago) link

This is one of those threads that makes me worry it's a death revive when it pops up.

but also fuck you (unperson), Monday, 27 December 2021 16:28 (two years ago) link

A critic I love on a movie I love, even if he misnames her “Thanta.”

https://www.artforum.com/film/howard-hampton-on-abel-ferrara-s-ms-45-45920

Max Hamburgers (Eric H.), Sunday, 2 January 2022 17:46 (two years ago) link

They should screen KONY twice - once as is, and once with the DVD commentary track running. Listen to Ferrara call his own work fascist!

― grawlix (unperson), Tuesday, 2 April 2019

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WQRzH9BAzks

Handy supercut but it leaves out the last few minutes of this commentary which is um... a vibe?

feed me with your clicks (Noel Emits), Thursday, 13 January 2022 11:34 (two years ago) link

three months pass...

Not understanding how Keitel found those guys in Bad Lieutenant, I assumed he just picked up two guys and blamed it on them (because he's out of his mind) but wiki plot synopsis says they were the actual rapists

Robert Adam Gilmour, Friday, 15 April 2022 18:31 (two years ago) link

one year passes...

New Rose Hotel was great! Unusual structure; total rethinking of the cyberpunk aesthetic (which turned out to be more prophetic); Walken letting 'er rip. Was uncomfortable w/ A. Argento's presence but the trail of destruction her character eventually leaves has unforeseen connotations now. Glad I finally got around to this one.

Chris L, Monday, 5 June 2023 12:55 (ten months ago) link


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