Irish politics discussion thread

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perfect

http://www.broadsheet.ie/2012/04/18/the-eviction-in-killiney-new-video/

any sympathy?

not a huge amount myself having read the detail. but i am sort of amazed by the gardai letting the bailiffs do the manhandling.

surely if someone has to be forcibly moved, the national police force should take responsibility for that given that there are laws governing their right to do so and the manner in which they do it.

it strikes me that they just left the most inflammatory part of the job to the "evil bailiffs" to save face. but the fact is the bailiff could be anyone or do anything.

where did you find the details?

you've to go pretty far to get repossessed/evicted. sitting on a 2m or w/e asset is a bad starting point to be drawing analogies with the rural and famineridden victims of the rackrent era.

agree fully with you on the bailiff/garda thing. bailiffs seem to have a very strange position, like proactive bouncers. i'd be much happier to see the gardai in charge of removing illegal occupiers but that's also a fuckin minefield i suppose.

i dunno man, once a court has decided yr occupation is illegal then surely it's the job of officers of the law to enforce that, not private hire dudes?

It's not usually a criminal issue, is it? idk

The police probably shouldn't be enforcing civil judgments, if that's what this is.

Does anyone have a right to evict in that case?

I think bailiffs are officially officers of the court and they do, but i'm not 100% sure of the details in the UK, let alone Ireland.

i think that it's a civil issue, and i think that gardai will be informed and present if there's an idea there'll be trouble and it's likely (as many civil issues do) to turn into a public order problem.

Bailiffs act on behalf of the legal owners of the property, i'm p sure they can 'evict'- whether that translates into a physica act is undoubtedly covered somewherd but it's kind of an unsettling area, given *drumroll for concepts vmnic* historical context.

Tho as said, attempts to draw on that context in this case is more likely to draw ire than sympathy.

These people own other properties, or so i hear secondhand from talking about this? If so, they're the reason we're fucked, and to hell with the IRBC supporting a privileged lifestyle for them while drawing on a bankrupt state. I'll horsh them out for nothin this evening.

Yeah he owns several other properties apparently, and they have had since 2010 to do something about that mortgage. Compares himself to Gandhi at the start, it's only in any way sad based on in-built emotion about being forced to leave your home.

I do have a big problem with random cronies grabbing the guy tho.

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“I am against abortion in any form myself. The grace of God is so liberating and provides so many options to get the best out of life despite our fall in nature, and we all have that. Having said that it is an ideal to aim for. In an ideal world there would be no unwanted pregnancies and no unwanted babies. But we are far from living in an ideal world. An honest and a scriptural view is that things are getting harder for people, so what then for the weak in our society?

“Abortion as murder, therefore sin, which is the religious argument, is no more sinful, from a scriptural point of view, than all other sins we don’t legislate against, like greed, hate and fornication. The latter, being fornication, I would say, is probably the single most likely cause of unwanted pregnancies in this country.”

a fucking unbelievable statement.

It's a decent-enough separation of church and state argument against just outlawing abortion but it sounds frighteningly like they wouldn't mind criminalizing hate, greed and fornication - which is a bit sisyphean, if you ask me.

that's what those defending the statement claim she was aiming at- a pro-choice position based on the lack of logic in legislating against one religious position but ignoring all others. i believe she nonetheless voted against the proposal, and claims to be personally against abortion.

it certainly came out rambling enough to be taken any number of ways, is the problem, and in a radio debate yesterday it seems she didn't exactly come out pro-choice or anything.

it really is a typical county councillor statement, tho- 'i'm personally agin it, but at the same time ideally we wouldn't need it, and musha aren't times hard for us all and won't someone think of the poor oik with the meandering vagina.'

Didn't know oiks had vaginas. Thanks.

well i'm assuming, i've never actually looked

oik mates

minister hogan sends his regards, i didn't really get into the nitty gritty with him tbh

voting no, dont even know if it matters anymore

on one hand, having single currency membership held up as the reason we must pay private debts and there seems to be an element of truth in that

On the other hand, if europe had had greater power to govern our affairs we'd probably have avoided the worst of it.

idk. Official campaign being so obv biased pushes me towards a 'fu' no vote.

what about this catalogue of 'distressed properties' then?

Any pref on whether lab do the right thing and lead a true opposition (and kill civil war politics) or sell out for meagre power and the right to get blame for it all in three years?

― Achillean Heel (darraghmac), Friday, 4 March 2011 16:56 (1 year ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Or they attempt to actually do something about this country's problems rather than just sit on the opposition benches looking disappointed.

― The New Dirty Vicar, Friday, 4 March 2011 17:00 (1 year ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

well yes i was framing it rather narrowly i admit.

Any govt that won't reconsider the bank guarantee can't really 'do' anything about the next 7 years, though?

Simplistic, i'm sure, but i'm only trying to initiate discussion here.

― Achillean Heel (darraghmac), Friday, 4 March 2011 17:04 (1 year ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

interesting, inevitable times

anyone catch quinn's doc ;ast night? serious 'thick of it' vibes off those young fellas

cmere why can't anyone say mick wallace and clare daly are having sex with each other?

She's married.

^ inscrutable

it's gonna go

Rents. Why so high? Very annoying.

because while there's apparently huge amounts of property out there, most of it's either built in ridiculous places or is substandard or too small. Finding a decent place in a decent spot for a liveable amount is still somewhat of a coup, lyfe i guess.

Was pondering this yesterday, think that a campaign of heavy enforcement of building and rental standards is long overdue. There's been a bit of it with local authorities getting involved in the private rentals market over the last few years but it hasn't been enough to affect the overall standard. We don't need more housing anywhere, but we need better housing almost everywhere.

Whether the political will is there to chase landlords (big voting bloc there, every second sod and that is, of course, the problem) or whether they're still wary of doing too much too soon in anything related to the property market (however obliquely) remains to be seen.

If they see a second term, perhaps. The expertise is there-anyone newly qualified in one of the technical/engineering fields can do the checks, and it could be a handy jobs boost for small construction. Maybe a good use for all that lovely property tax money.

I meant it more as a moan but that is a very good answer.

I think the PTRB is a step in the right direction.

I think a 'Care and Repair' programme would be very wise.

James Reilly and Phil Hogan... They are just unbelievable.

It's like they have no shame or even fear of potential consequence.

Phil Hogan seems to have decided that if someone in the government has to be the one that everyone hates, then bring it fucking on.

jesus! The country has teeth yet. Watch the borderlands seccede.

what are you referring to?

quinn jailed for contempt

In jail for 8 weeks? One of the Irish Times writers reckoned Quinn is thinking "8 weeks in jail and I get to illegally keep my hundreds of millions? I'll take that".

if that was anything like what was happening, sure, but the jailing is for contempt during proceedings not the end result of them

It'll be interesting anyway. The texts, etc to radio have started. There's this mad blind spot about the knock on effect of his family's actions on the economy and everyone's insurance.

it's a vocal minority supporting him, but not that minor and very vocal indeed

How do you mean "not that minor"? It seems relatively small and at this stage pointless. Famous last words...

he's had a couple of thousand attending rallies up in the woods, addressed by a number of ralatively influential people. And, in a wider sense, there's far too many people in favour of letting him off or going lightly on him.

I suppose it's impressive on screen but as to it having an effect nationally? I sincerely doubt it.

nah it doesn't have an effect nationally, in itself it's symptomatic of the national problem i think- wherever he went he'd probably draw a decent crowd- still far too much sympathy out there for the feckless chancers, sure didn't he work hard to get where he is, didn't he come from a good family, isn't he a sthrong gaa man who says his prayers, the important stuff, y'know?

Yeah, I know. That's what's been disappointing really. Still not sure what D'Arcy was up to really. The GAA thing is not a surprise.

ray d'arcy? I didn't even know that moronic POS had weighed in. Gah.

Nope but I'm sure he's pretty down with the cat, isn't he from around that area? I meant Brian D'Arcy. There was a fair amount of media attention around his presence. Not to mention his rather ham fisted and disingenious defence.

well when yr fists are hams don't be surprised when you turn out to have acted rash-er-ly

This is why hallmark won't answer my calls btw

I thought it was your line of necro-mass cards.

Sample: "Though you are dead it is I who is stiff."

Two investigations are under way into the death of a woman who was 17 weeks pregnant, at University Hospital Galway last month.

Savita Halappanavar (31), a dentist, presented with back pain at the hospital on October 21st, was found to be miscarrying, and died of septicaemia a week later.

Her husband, Praveen Halappanavar (34), an engineer at Boston Scientific in Galway, says she asked several times over a three-day period that the pregnancy be terminated. He says that, having been told she was miscarrying, and after one day in severe pain, Ms Halappanavar asked for a medical termination.

This was refused, he says, because the foetal heartbeat was still present and they were told, “this is a Catholic country”.

She spent a further 2½ days “in agony” until the foetal heartbeat stopped.

Intensive care

The dead foetus was removed and Savita was taken to the high dependency unit and then the intensive care unit, where she died of septicaemia on the 28th.

wtf

Absolutely terrible story. More here: http://www.facebook.com/GalwayProChoice/posts/379753642107027