Rolling 'this is sexist' thread

YOU CAN'T TALK TO ME THAT WAY I HAVE A UTERUS.

whoa, tmi there lady. why do you have to advertise you're a woman? what an attention whore.

I see everyone the same. Men, women, ladyboys, purple people

is it poor taste for me to say the last few posts have had me in hysterics

oh man, that was subtle, a+ punchline Mr. P

Poor taste? On MY internet?

I CAN'T BE SEXIST, I HAVE A DAUGHTER.

I wonder if it would blow those dudes' minds if someone told them women can be sexist

mh: people go on the defensive when their mistakes are pointed out, his first response was fairly reasonable (could have used a sorry, maybe) in the 'we do need a new one :)' admission. You get treated how you treat others! She does identify whatever company she works for in her 'about me' section, I didn't see his mention of it as a threat to get her in trouble - I can see how people would - but twitter is an imperfect medium to have a debate about feminism.

Carl - where do they mention she's a lady? ("watch your mouth, lady!")

Er I think I lost my train of thought to mh - sorry! - I don't identify my company's name online because I feel doing so would mean that every tweet I make would be associated with them, a little bit. So if she wants to make a big deal to them about they way they are repsenting a brand, I think it's fair for them to point out that she is too. I wouldn't speak to a colleague like that. If your tweets only reflect yourself - why mention the company in your bio? Why make that link, you know?

You get treated how you treat others!

But this ISN'T TRUE, you're asserting a "truth" that is part of the problem.

twitter is an imperfect medium to have a debate about feminism.

So people should only have objections to shittiness when it's convenient for the offender? That's...convenient.

Uh, they outright said "we know your boss"

soooooo have any of u seen this video?

the onus of professionalism is on the person acting in a professional capacity, not on the complainant. i mean, i get occasional rough language & abuse from customers on the phone, but that doesn't give me any license to disregard the customer or the substance of their complaint.

xp back to me "I have a family" is pretty lol but really it all got so annoying to me I could barely bring myself to read to the end, heh.

Laurel - what I meant by imperfect medium is that trying to cram words into 140 characters can change a person's tone in a response. Like his sentence about her working for Basho coming off as a threat to her, and me needing three sentences to explain what my interpretation might have been. If she'd emailed them (where they would have unlimited characters with which to draft a response) and got no response (or a shitty response) after a day or two, maybe then twitter is the answer to raise the awareness.

And okay, maybe you don't always get treated the way you treat others but I feel my own behaviour is certainly a factor that defines how people speak to me. But some people are just jerks.

http://30.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lq4whcX42G1qztjn5o1_500.jpg

the other thing to realize is that she wasn't personally attacking either of them, she was attacking a video that was related to their company! I understand they feel like their company is important but an individual accusing a company of being sexist and appealing to the leaders of that company is different from them mentioning their business connections and pulling those in the conversation.

"I, as a person, find this offensive" is not something you respond to with as "We, as a company know where you work and can tell your boss"

tbh i kinda think twitter is an ideal medium for calling ppl out on their bullshit

mh: I do see that now - I didn't before - like I said, I got online drama fatigue and started skimming. But my irritance with her approach registered loooong before that. Fuck, I would neeeever tweet at one of our clients like that (assuming if he knows, so would she.) I like my job! And I drop a lot of fucks!

@shanley @rekatz our friend wanted to do the video really bad because she is a model and she loved the brand, what's wrong with that?

"it can't be sexist, our friend WANTED to make this video"

Elmo - that's fair. But sexism is a pretty sensitive issue so I feel like restricting yourself/your combatant to 140 characters at a time is just setting yourself up to be hurt.

This professionalism talk is bullshit because the geek conference circuit, which these people are a part of, tends to be kind of sweary and this male/female dynamic is all too common. I doubt she thought she was being that off-color, and them reading it as such and acting like she's way out of line codes wrong

is there a place to watch the video? it's apparently private now?

― Mordy, Thursday, March 22, 2012 3:13 PM (37 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

^^ Mordy knows what's really up

That's fair. I don't work in the geek circuit but I do have lots of friends who do (uh oh I'm veering dangerously close here! I HAVE A FAMILY TOO!!!) but they're not the types to take that approach. LOL Canadians. I would classify myself as 1000% more crude than the ones I know, heh. I can't watch the video - it's private now - and I'm not debating whether it was sexist. I just don't believe that if an angry man tweeted at these people he wouldn't have received similar dismissal.

I gotta break myself of the phrase 'That's fair,' ugh.

https://twitter.com/#!/shanley/status/182878421133705217

now, this is just ugly

like, what are they hoping for by trying to get a bunch of people together to do this?
"hey everyone, come here so we can throw rocks at this complaining woman. or feminists, show up to throw rocks at us. we'll be there!"

is there a place to watch the video?

imagine a tech company logo on the front panel of a scantily clad lady's underpants... forever

xp Yeah that's just weird. I don't really want to defend either of these people, haha. I just want to send the world to Lex's Finishing School of Grace and Respectability. My Grandma was my professor. I still don't wear navy & black together, either.

Wow, that exchange mh just posted is... wtf? Don't advertise a meeting that you haven't actually arranged and then suggest the person not going is the one being nasty about it. What a major-league douche.

http://kottke.org/07/02/gender-diversity-at-web-conferences

guuuh

this company looks like it's made of bubble and refined bubble btw: http://geekli.st/about

apology: http://gklst.tumblr.com/post/19734620901/geeklist-and-a-public-apology

oh n/m already posted

that derailingfordummies link is great, and giving me cause to take an uncomfortable inventory

not even refined bubble. fumes emitted from the bubble refinery.

and apparently more of the same from the tech world: http://www.readwriteweb.com/enterprise/2012/03/how-casual-sexism-put-sqoot-in.php

http://nymag.com/daily/intel/2012/04/ryan-gosling-actually-historys-greatest-monster.html

I don't really know how to respond to this

Discussed / LOL'd at this a bit on the Guardian thread because I didn't know where else to put it.

I haven't read the clusterfuck that I'm sure the comments will be, but on my first reading of the NYMag article, having read first the palaver, then Laurie Penny's ridiculous Gawker article...

I'm the first person to cry "sexism" in any situation where I detect even a sniff of it, but my reaction was: actually, not sexist. Hilarious.

That is: that I don't think that it's Penny's gender that caused the clusterfuck, but the things she wrote and the attitudes she seemed to take. I'm sure that she may receive a greater and more pointed *beatdown* for it, but the opprobrium is not due to her gender, but the fact that she behaved in a kind of a ridiculous and cliched manner. But, like, that's actually what some of us like LOLrie Penny for?

anti-Semetic tbh

ah okay, I have no idea who laurie penny and didn't read the gawker article beyond what was excerpted xp

must be seen to be believed

http://farm5.staticflickr.com/4065/4288631655_dde22a9f17_z.jpg

the comments on some of those pages can be even more fucked up, given the half-century gap

girl watcher mag is pretty klassik honestly

Congratulations, you found a sexist thing. Try a slightly smaller target next time, maybe?

http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2530/4297737231_4661076c6c_z.jpg

still don't believe it

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girl watcher mag is pretty klassik honestly

if you say so champ

^not a taschen fan i see