I wonder what happens at 2:06 in the Substance version of "No Love Lost."
― roxymuzak, Monday, 26 November 2007 05:22 (sixteen years ago) link
Or the "An Ideal For Living" version, I guess.
― roxymuzak, Monday, 26 November 2007 05:25 (sixteen years ago) link
And that version of Shadowplay by the Killers is horrid. It sounds... wrong. I mean, its not exactly a subtle song, but you need some attitude to pull it off. I guess you could approach that attitude in lots of way, self-disgust, arrogant bombast, quiet resignation - I could see somebody managing that, but the Killers have a 'I'm too cool to care much about anything and my smugness is well justified because if I was chocolate I would eat myself' doesn't really do anything with the song.
― Sandy Blair, Monday, 26 November 2007 20:09 (sixteen years ago) link
http://acuterecords.com/blog/?p=28
― dan selzer, Monday, 26 November 2007 20:54 (sixteen years ago) link
I like how you started that with "and."
― roxymuzak, Monday, 26 November 2007 21:04 (sixteen years ago) link
I just realized Dead Souls sounds like Velvet Underground. This has never before occured to me, though I've known that song for 20 years. ???
― Bimble, Wednesday, 20 February 2008 07:51 (sixteen years ago) link
Also no one ever raves about the brilliance of "Komakino" or "From Safety To Where?" enough just because they weren't proper album tracks! It's a tragedy I say! I'm going to write a book called "Beyond Closer & Unknown Pleasures". Cheers.
― Bimble, Wednesday, 20 February 2008 07:55 (sixteen years ago) link
"No Love Lost" and "Novelty" are my favorites, but I love at least 15 others. Truly one of those bands that had plenty of room to grow, and I think would have reached even greater heights, if given the time.
― nicky lo-fi, Wednesday, 20 February 2008 11:01 (sixteen years ago) link
Never got real deep into JD, though I own Substance, UP, and Closer. Upon first hearing them I thought I might get obsessed, but it just never took hold. I love it when it's on but I never seek it out. A shame, really.
― RabiesAngentleman, Wednesday, 20 February 2008 15:10 (sixteen years ago) link
Yeah, I finally got the "Heart and Soul" 4CD set, been playing CD3 mostly, havent got to CDs 2 and 4 yet.
― Mark G, Wednesday, 20 February 2008 15:13 (sixteen years ago) link
bimble, in my blog post I posted above, I discuss the possibility of people of a certain age having a very different view of Joy Division because Substance was our introduction instead of the records, so we're biased towards the early punky stuff and the singles instead of the LPs.
― dan selzer, Wednesday, 20 February 2008 15:16 (sixteen years ago) link
Yeah, I am that young person!
(whistles and walks away)
― Mark G, Wednesday, 20 February 2008 15:19 (sixteen years ago) link
The forthcoming documentary film by Grant Gee is a good one. Very frank interviews with the surviving members. The antidote to Control.
― Dr Morbius, Wednesday, 20 February 2008 15:23 (sixteen years ago) link
Didn't know about that film at all, or had forgotten news about it. Looking forward to that!
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 20 February 2008 15:24 (sixteen years ago) link
Anyone read this Morley book?
― Mark Rich@rdson, Wednesday, 20 February 2008 15:54 (sixteen years ago) link
Closer is a fucking depressing album. I never got why so many people in the early 2000s wore Closer t-shirts
― burt_stanton, Wednesday, 20 February 2008 15:56 (sixteen years ago) link
the Gee film will be released theatrically in the UK, but the Weinsteins plan straight-to-DVD in US (fall?).
― Dr Morbius, Wednesday, 20 February 2008 16:01 (sixteen years ago) link
I saw the Gee doco a couple of weeks ago. It's pretty good, very light-hearted, celebrating rather than eulogizing Curtis.
― Roz, Wednesday, 20 February 2008 16:05 (sixteen years ago) link
separated at birth: the bassline of 'novelty' and the bassline of the stones "let's spend the night together"
― electricsound, Thursday, 21 February 2008 22:42 (sixteen years ago) link
Nice blog post, Dan! It's nice to feel I'm not alone in having experienced Joy Division at such a young age - I first heard them when I was about 13 or 14 as well. I love that story about you taping the J-Card for New Order's Substance cassette to your locker! Classic! But I can't agree with you that Joy Division's Substance was actually my first exposure to the band (it appears I'm just a few years older than you fwiw..Substance wasn't yet available at the time). I believe Closer was probably the first thing I owned by them, or perhaps the LWTUA 7', but it wasn't long before I had the Komakino flexi, Transmission 7' etc. and heard the tracks that were later compiled on Substance. Sometimes I could only hear these things through trading bootleg tapes with people. Anyway, I think what I was really reacting to in my post upthread was a strange mental block I have in my OWN mind now to think Joy Division = primarily UP & Closer. It's hard to explain why I have that mental block, but it does explain why it is so terribly thrilling whenever I put on other things. I do think too much weight is given to the proper albums, but perhaps that's to be expected.
I wonder if there is any common thread in how teenagers today are exposed to the band?
― Bimble, Friday, 22 February 2008 06:18 (sixteen years ago) link
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I am excited for this.
― roxymuzak, Saturday, 23 February 2008 05:10 (sixteen years ago) link
I watched 20 minutes and thought it was very nice. I'll prob. finish sometime this weekend.
― Tape Store, Saturday, 23 February 2008 05:40 (sixteen years ago) link
LOVE! LIFE! MAKES YOU FEEL! HIGHER!
Come on Dan! You know what I mean! I just don't know if there is really a better Joy Division song in the world than "Sound of Music". Sigh. But I'm trying to be objective about this. Really, I'm trying.
― Bimble, Sunday, 30 March 2008 07:27 (sixteen years ago) link
The Peel session version is really tops, what with the extra guitar part at the end.
― Millsner, Sunday, 30 March 2008 08:26 (sixteen years ago) link
what's that thudding noise? why, it's the ghost of ian curtis trying to hang himself all over again.
wonder what wilson would have made of this, too?
― grimly fiendish, Friday, 18 April 2008 10:40 (sixteen years ago) link
wombats lol
― electricsound, Friday, 18 April 2008 11:07 (sixteen years ago) link
I also think it is way much better than Control. Worth watching.
― Shin Oliva Suzuki, Friday, 18 April 2008 13:17 (sixteen years ago) link
That Zune story boggles.
― Ned Raggett, Friday, 18 April 2008 13:34 (sixteen years ago) link
it is extremely weird to me that joy division are that popular now; it was weird enough that they even the subject of a film
― akm, Friday, 18 April 2008 13:51 (sixteen years ago) link
If there's a U2 iPod, and a Joy Division Zune, I can't wait for my Neu! edition Creative Zen player.
― bendy, Friday, 18 April 2008 14:30 (sixteen years ago) link
Yeah, maybe they'll do a Grateful Dead one next.
― Bimble, Friday, 18 April 2008 14:52 (sixteen years ago) link
Just saw the documentary - excellent, but should just be called Ian Curtis. I guess I'm the only one who wants a Barney doc.
― Spencer Chow, Thursday, 24 April 2008 05:27 (sixteen years ago) link
no i'd like that too. i suppose i could always just read his book
― electricsound, Thursday, 24 April 2008 05:29 (sixteen years ago) link
I'd definitely want one. Is the book any good?
― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 24 April 2008 05:35 (sixteen years ago) link
I'm going to take a wild guess that Saville had nothing to do with the DVD cover art: http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51l--x-519L._SS500_.jpg
The design in the doc itself is excellent.
― Spencer Chow, Thursday, 24 April 2008 05:59 (sixteen years ago) link
bahahaha re: Saville
The True Story of The Meteoric Rise And Fall Of One Of The Most Influential Bands Of Our Time
Why does this bother me seeing this at the top of this thing? Am I just too old to remember when such a line would never have been written anywhere? (at least not about Joy Division) Or is it just that I have a feeling Wilson wouldn't have approved either?
Ned: Grimly made some comments about the Barney book on one of these threads or other.
― Bimble, Thursday, 24 April 2008 07:07 (sixteen years ago) link
I'm going to design my own cover for the DVD. I'll upload a PDF.
― Spencer Chow, Thursday, 24 April 2008 07:19 (sixteen years ago) link
Go Spencer! By the way, I'd like to see what Grimly would do for the cover!
― Bimble, Thursday, 24 April 2008 16:56 (sixteen years ago) link
"Am I just too old to remember when such a line would never have been written anywhere?"
see, but it just kind of reminds me of this:
Ideal for Living: History of "Joy Division" from Their Mythical Origins as "The Stiff Kittens" to Their Programmed Future as "New Order"
(er, kinda anyway. that's what i thought of when i saw that dvd cover. wish i still had my copy of that book. i used to have a great obsessive xeroxed fan book of press clippings and transcribed lyrics too. i'd like to see that again as well.)
― scott seward, Thursday, 24 April 2008 18:56 (sixteen years ago) link
It's just a matter of wording preference, I think. The Ideal for Living one sounds reasonable to me and even interesting (and it's worth noting that those words appeared on the BACK of the book, not the front). It also makes no claims as to how influential the band were. The DVD one just sounds like some fucking generic rock and roll doc you could buy at Wal-Mart about say...Zep or The Doors or whoever. It's not very imaginative, nor is the damn design! :)
But yeah Ideal For Living is the JD/early New Order BIBLE in my opinion. I treasure my copy and still find it useful from time to time. I also know what "xeroxed fan book" you are talking about ("A History In Cuttings"). I still have my copy of that as well, but there were actually two volumes. I only ever had one and I never saw the other one with my own eyes but I came across someone on the Factory mailing list once who had it. I don't pull that book out as much, but it's nice as a historical document of the press they had while they were actually still making music and just after Ian's death. There's even some DIY fanzine type stuff in there, not just NME/MM/Sounds.
― Bimble, Thursday, 24 April 2008 19:52 (sixteen years ago) link
I have the History in Cuttings, didn't know there were two. Pretty amazing to read reviews of live Warsaw shows or articles typed up on a manual typewriter.
That's also where I learned about the Futurama festivals.
― dan selzer, Thursday, 24 April 2008 20:52 (sixteen years ago) link
By the way, I'd like to see what Grimly would do for the cover!
rip off saville (with only the vaguest idea of what he himself was ripping off in the first place)? it's served me well many other times :)
...made some comments about the Barney book on one of these threads or other
fucking hell, that took a long time to find. this one.
anyway: yes, shocking cover but i can't wait to see the film.
― grimly fiendish, Thursday, 24 April 2008 21:00 (sixteen years ago) link
also, not-very-well-designed UK trailer site here.
― grimly fiendish, Thursday, 24 April 2008 21:01 (sixteen years ago) link
Dear Weinsteins, if it's not too late, you're welcome:
http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j53/spencermfi/jddoc1.jpg
― Spencer Chow, Thursday, 24 April 2008 22:11 (sixteen years ago) link
When I do a PDF, I'll leave out the Miriam and the dumb marketing blurb.
― Spencer Chow, Thursday, 24 April 2008 23:38 (sixteen years ago) link
that is much better!
― M@tt He1ges0n, Thursday, 24 April 2008 23:42 (sixteen years ago) link
Yes, much better! Grimly are you going to do one too?
― Bimble, Friday, 25 April 2008 02:16 (sixteen years ago) link
ugh to that guy saying "they had no fucking choice" but to be on stage - annoying nonsense stance
― J0hn D., Friday, 25 April 2008 02:30 (sixteen years ago) link
will you please actually send that in to the company?
― stephen, Friday, 25 April 2008 03:25 (sixteen years ago) link
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